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So I was going over the list of all 759 words in the Game Mastery Guide and found a few words that were missing I believe should be known. I understand that not all words could be included due to space restraints although some may have been simply forgotten. I thought it would be nice for everyone to list words they felt should be known in addition to those found in the Game Mastery Guide. I’ll start with those I thought of.

aloft
antidisestablishmentarianism
bane
befuddle
beseech
besmirch
cocksure (insert "ocks" since the filter thinks it's dirty)
centric
diaphanous
effervescent
evangelize
mortify
postulate
triangulate

Anyway those are just a few I came up with.

Scarab Sages

When I read that page in the Gamemastery guide, I had to laugh.

Does anyone know all those words?

After going through the A's and B's, I realized that I am not as well versed as I thought, and have decided to look up one word a day in the dictionary until I know them all.

Should take me a year or so...

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

This page is what happens when you take Mr. Pett and Mr. MacLean and tell them "You have a page. Just for you. Only rules are: no obscenity, no nipples and no poodles or ponies."

Could be worse tho, Paizo could have assigned that page to Todd Stewart - we would end up with 30 pages of words every GM should know ... :)

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dm4hire wrote:


Anyway those are just a few I came up with.

Good words.

I've printed the page. There are more on there that I have to look the actual definition of up than I thought at first glance.


Marzipan, proboscis, tureen. For old time's sake. ;)

Was penultimate on that list as well? :P

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Lilith wrote:

Marzipan, proboscis, tureen. For old time's sake. ;)

Was penultimate on that list as well? :P

This made my morning (...perhaps even my day, but so many things can go wrong in the next 15 hours that I decided to err on the side of caution).

Thanks, Lilith!

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Lilith wrote:

Marzipan, proboscis, tureen. For old time's sake. ;)

Was penultimate on that list as well? :P

ROFLMAO.


Lilith wrote:

Marzipan, proboscis, tureen. For old time's sake. ;)

Was penultimate on that list as well? :P

Personally I'm a fan of ante-penultimate. Ultimate being final, penultimate being one-shy-of-final, ante-penultimate is unsurprisingly two-shy-of-final.


This is more like a list of "large, archaic, and difficult to spell words."

Speaking of which, I want to add "obfuscate."

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Cartigan wrote:

This is more like a list of "large, archaic, and difficult to spell words."

Speaking of which, I want to add "obfuscate."

Isn't that the point? "Here's some obscure words to use so that you don't always use to help emphasize qualities in the scene." With the added bonus of "And if they don't know the word, you can act all high-and-mighty about it as you hand them a dictionary." And a final addendum of "Why do you have a dictionary?"

Speaking of which, I posit that "facetious" should be on the list.


StabbittyDoom wrote:
Cartigan wrote:

This is more like a list of "large, archaic, and difficult to spell words."

Speaking of which, I want to add "obfuscate."

Isn't that the point? "Here's some obscure words to use so that you don't always use to help emphasize qualities in the scene." With the added bonus of "And if they don't know the word, you can act all high-and-mighty about it as you hand them a dictionary." And a final addendum of "Why do you have a dictionary?"

Speaking of which, I posit that "facetious" should be on the list.

Facetious is good, but what about "fastidious"


"Speaking of which, I posit that "facetious" should be on the list."

And Posit as well!

It's funny, I have always considered myself to have a decent vocabulary (Thanks AD&D!), but there are some words in the Core book, and especially the Beastiery that had me reaching for the dictionary. Proof that this game is a great teaching tool no matter what the age. But I do wonder how young folks these days will learn to tell one pole-arm from another...

"Now there's a Machavellian countenance!"

"Insolent, pouting rictus"

Scarab Sages

Lilith wrote:

Marzipan, proboscis, tureen. For old time's sake. ;)

Was penultimate on that list as well? :P

Damn!

Beat me to it!

"I insert my proboscis into the tureen of marzipan."

Paizo Employee Director of Game Development

Lilith wrote:

Marzipan, proboscis, tureen. For old time's sake. ;)

Was penultimate on that list as well? :P

Ahh, good times. Those were two of the best threads ever!

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

I love how the list ends with "zounds". Pretty much the perfect punctuation. However, I did not know that was a euphemism for "God's wounds".

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I would certainly add "caravanserai" to that list. I had that come up in my casual description of a site and I suddenly had a bunch of befuddled players.

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Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
I would certainly add "caravanserai" to that list. I had that come up in my casual description of a site and I suddenly had a bunch of befuddled players.

You know, I had to look that up, but certainly that's a good word to know!

Scarab Sages

I'm going to have to sit down with the GMG and a few Clark Ashton Smith books; see if I can find a few more...

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Actually, I did a "Clark Ashton Smith Vocabulary Builder" in my blog a few years ago. Archive here:

http://www.dm.net/~kevin-a-murphy/2003_08_01_archive.html

Also archived there is a glossary I found on the web on a site now dead. However, I'd say this glossary would be of great use to anyone trying to do a nice medieval game. Herewith:

Acre: customary acre larger than a standard acre of 4840 sq.yds.
Andirons: firedogs to hold spits for roasting meat. Support for the grate.
Arras: a rich tapestry fabric. Originating in Arras, Flanders.
Arminians: o riginally the followers of a Dutch theologian called Arminius. They believed
all were offered salvation, not just the Elect, and could work out their own salvation and
were reacting against the Reformation.
Artisan: skilled worker. Used here as a craftsman or shepherd.
Awn: prickley bristle at the top of the barley grain's sheath.
Backside : area or yard behind a house.
Barrel: these stored butter, beer, fish, salt or wines (qv firkin).
Batter: a walls receding slope from ground upwards.
Bay: space between main roof supports.
Bays: a fine lightweight cloth.
Beam : a scale which could be used for weighing fleeces.
Bed : referred to the mattress.
Bedsted/ Bedstead : bed frame.
Black- jack jug : a leather jug
Board cloth : table cloth.
Bole: special alcove in a wall for a hive. A bolle was a container for honey and thick liquids
Boulting tub or hutch : container to sieve flour into (p664).
Bond : deed by which a person binds himself to pay another.
Brandiron : (1) a branding iron for stock. (2) a gridiron.
Bressumer : horizontal timber carrying a wall. The lintel supporting the chimney over the inglenook.
Brogger : a factor who acted as middleman between sheep-breeders and the clothiers who
needed raw wool to make cloth.
Bushel : measure of corn (Appendix 2). 8 bushels in a quarter.
Butt : measure of land equal to a rood.
Calkins : end parts of a horseshoe turned up and then sharpened to prevent the horse slipping.
Capon : a castrated cock for eating.
Card: iron-toothed instrument for combing out wool or flax.
Carpet : cover for wall, table and other furniture.
Cartload : a measure for coal, f*%&#&s, hay, lime and straw.
Cast : when the cow has the calf prematurely.
Caudle : Warm gruel with spice, sugar, and wine, for invalids.
Chirurgeon: one who operates with the hand. Rede [32] then combined surgery with his
barber's shop. The striping on a barber's pole represented the ribbon round the arm of
a person, who was having his blood let. Some thought of them as low practitioners of surgery.
Cimer: a vessel for making dough in?
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Cloome: cloam: usually oxen or horse dung.
Close: enclosed piece of land, in this period next to the house.
Clove: 7 lbs of wool was equal to a clove. 4 cloves made 1 todd.
Coney : a rabbit.
Coopery ware : "cowpery ware" mostly tubs, casks etc for brewing. Made by a cooper.
Corvisor/ cordwainer : a shoemaker.
Cowl/coul : a cooler, a large wooden tub for brewing.
Coulter : a vertical iron cutting blade. This is fixed to the front of the ploughshare.
Curb: wall, or edge round the well.
Cut: woollen carded 1 cut giving approximately 300 yds single ply wool per lb.
Damask : a patterned linen imitating silks woven at Damascus (p649).
Danske chest : a foreign chest (Danish).
Demesne : land attached to the manor farm.
Diaper : a system of weaving small twill patterns using unbleached threads for napkins.
Doale: dole or lot meadow. Shared out every year.
Ear[th] : to plough and destroy weeds.
Ell : measure for linen and haircloth equal to 45 inches.
Ewe : female sheep that has had at least one lamb.
Ewe-crone : an old barren ewe.
Ewe-lamb: (gimmer or chiver) female lamb up to weaning.
Ewe-teg : (gimmer hog, ewe hog) weaning up to first shearing.
Exhibited : The inventory presented at the church court with the will.
Face cloath : women used them when riding out.
Family : The people in a household (qv) who are related by blood and marriage.
Fetter : D- shaped shackle for tethering a horse by the leg.
Firebote : the wood or rough ground granted to the tenants by the lord of the manor for
the purpose of gathering fuel.
Firkin: small butter barrel, half a hundredweight. A liquid measure for beer of 9 gallons.
Flasket : (1) a shallow washing tub. (2) Shallow basket.
Flaxen: cloth made from a lower quality linen (flax) thread.
Flitches : sides of bacon.
Foremilch : a cow not yet in milk.
Forke : the crutch part of a garment.
Frame : joined table frame fixed to table board.
Frieze : coarse woollen cloth with nap usually on one side only.
Furnace : for brewing.
Gals/Gyles : girls.
Garner : a container to store grain or malt.
Hackles of straw : long pieces of straw resembling the long feathers on the neck of a cock.
Spreading out like a protective tent to keep the bee skep dry.
Hadelay : A narrow piece of land left as leyland. Hades: leyland.
Haulm : dry stems of peas (minus the peas) for fodder.
"The haulm is the straw of the wheat or the rye,
which once being reaped, they mow by and by..." Tusser.
Long straw left on the field, minus corn, to be cut later. Rye straw (haulme) was needed
for thatching after first removing the leaves and cutting off the ears.
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Hayding: alongside another furlong.
Heifer : young cow expecting her first calf.
Hempen: using thread spun from hemp.
Heriot: best beast, or value in money, owed to landlord after death of a tenant.
Hilling : A cover for the bed.
Hoggerells: two year old ewes.
Hogshead : barrel holding 54 gallons of beer.
Holland: unbleached linen cloth woven from high quality thread (p649).
Homestall : farm and yard.
Horse gears: harness.
Horse locks: locks for the fetters (q.v).
Household : all those who live under one roof, and owe allegiance to the master, or if a
widow to the mistress. Includes wife, relations, servants and children.
Houseled : to receive the sacrament. As man and wife were counted as one this could give
the number of households, except it does not include all the adults in the house.
Housewright : Organised the building of a house.
Humnel stick : used to soften the awns on barley which are sharp.
Impropriator : a layman who has taken over tithes once reserved for clergy. In this case
the rectorial or great tithes.
"Joyned bedsted"/Joined bedstead : a four poster with a canopy or tester made by a joiner.
Journeyman : qualified artisan who works for a wage.
"Joynture" : estate settlement on a wife for use during widowhood.
Kerseys : a coarse but still lightweight material. Narrower than the broadcloths.
Kiddes : a bundle of f%!~!+s.
Kin: Those relations who can lay claim to a particular group. In return they will be expected
to support them and obey their customs.
Kirtle: outer petticoat or gown.
Kiver : a shallow wooden tub.
Kyne : cows.
Land : a strip of arable or ley land equal in Cropredy to half an acre. Two roods.
Lea : 1 lea equals 300 yards single ply linen per lb. (qv Cut and combed wool).
Ley: greensward kept for hay and pasture. Two leys to the acre.
Lead : a vat for brewing.
Light : part of a window division.
Lineagae : all those relations gone before, at present and still to come. Some of which are
represented in the family trees.
Long cart : Had two wheels. A waggon had four.
Long-house-type : barn and house under one roof. Sharing one entrance.
Loom : vessel.
Mark : a coin valued at 13s-4d.
Maslin : usually wheat and rye mixed together.
Midden: dung heap.
Milch cow: a cow yielding milk, or kept for milk.
Mortuary : customary payment to the incumbent upon the death of a parishioner [Tate W.E..
The Parish Chest 1946 Cambridge Univ. Press].
Napery: linen.
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Neatherd : cowherd. A neat animal was any bovine animal.
Nether house : lower than the hall. Originally made from a bay of a long house barn next to the entry
passage.
New draperies : bays, arras, says and kerseys (qv).
Newel post: centre pillar of a winding stairs.
Noble: gold coin usually worth 6s-8d. With a ship shown on one side it was intended for foreign trade.
Orris : lace with patterns of gold and silver embroidery.
Painted cloth : substitute for tapestry. A cloth painted in oil.
Partition : a wall dividing two rooms.
Petty school : elementary school. Taught reading, religion and discipline.
Pieces : plots of land larger than a strip. Often a collection of strips which remain attached
to one farm.
Piklet or pytel : a small piece of enclosed land, often triangular.
Pillowbere: pillow case.
Pipe : equal to 2 hogsheads or 4 barrels. 105 imperial gallons.
Pleashed : plashing a hedge to lay it and so make it stock proof.
Portal : a partition or screen to keep out some of the draughts.
Posnet : a small metal pot with a handle and three short feet. Used to make a hot drink
curdled with ale or wine. A posset.
Powdering tub : used for salting meat.
Press : (1) for cheese (2) a cupboard.
Quarter: (1) division of Open Field. (2) Eight bushels.
Quartern : a quarter of a yardland.
Ram/ shearing tups : first to second shearing. 2,3,4 shear rams/tups according to the number
of times shorn.
Ram-lamb : (hoggets, hogs) male lamb to first shearing.
Register: Act of Parliament 24 Aug. 1653 the custody of parish registers were entrusted to
the new Parish "Registers" who were not called the Registrar. Ratepayers elected them.
Rendle stone : possibly used to help press the cheese.
Retting: steeping flax in water.
Rood : four roods to the acre.
Satin : broken twill. Originated in China. Weave which produces even and smooth surface
hiding ribbed appearance of twill.
Saucer: a vessel to hold condiments and sauces.
Says : another fine cloth resembling serge. Twilled worsted.
Scaffold : wooden platform standing upon staddle stones to support a rick. Or forming a
loft over stalls.
Scot and lot: a parish tax paid according to ability.
Serge: a twilled woollen cloth, also used as a blanket.
Sherrogg : two year old (and over) wether (qv).
Shippicks: shippon (cowshed) pitchfork? Or shepherd's pitchfork?
Skep hive : a bee hive made of straw.
Skutching: cleaning retted flax.
Small corn: medium quality wheat or maslin.
Soft grains: oats or rye.
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Specialty : a sealed contract.
Spence: a room for storing food. A larder.
Standing bed : tall bedstead with high head and foot ends joined by a tester.
Stint : limiting, especially the rights of pasture.
Stocks : Bee hives.
Stop : decorated or simple end to a chamfered edge of a house beam.
Stryke/ strike : half a bushel. Revd. Holloway used this measure rather than a bushel. The
strike was a rod which was passed across the container measuring the grain.
Sumptuary (laws) : in this case laws regarding clothes as to who was allowed to wear
particular materials or colours.
Sydling/ sidling : a piece of grassland alongside arable furrows used as leyland.
Table : often just the board to fit on trestles.
Tabby, taffeta : plain weaving.
Tapestry : tabby weaving in mosaic, with loose weft.
Terrier : a description of land giving size, direction of strip, furlong and neighbouring tenant.
By mid seventeenth century the number of bays in the house and farm buildings were added.
Tester : wooden or cloth canopy over bed.
Theal: plank of wood.
Throme cloath : remnant from end piece of cloth.
Ticknall ware : coarse earthenware. Often made at Ticknall in Derbyshire.
Tod/ Todd: 28lb weight, used to measure wool.
Toft: homestead.
Treen : small articles of household equipment made from wood.
Truckle bed: low bed pushed under another bedstead during the day.
Trumpery : items of low value.
Tup : male sheep. A ram.
Tweed: a twilled woollen cloth woven in one ply wool.
Twillie : bed cover made in a twill pattern using unbleached linen thread.
Valence : short curtain round bedstead, or canopy.
Wainscot : wooden panelling round the lower part of a room.
Warden : cooking pear.
Wether/wedder : weaned castrated lamb to first shearing. Shearing wether: first to second shearing.
Whitbaker : baker who uses fine bolted white flour.
Whittaw/ whittawer: (white leather) he prepared hides not with tannin but with alum and
salt in a lime vat (p474).
Whorl: a spindle weight.
Winnow cloth: cloth used in winnowing, or to cover windows.
Woollen wheel : for spinning wool.
Worsted: combed wool. 560 yds per lb.
Yardland : measure of land. Average number of acres in Cropredy being 32a 2r (p296).
Yeeling tub : a brewing vat.
Yerd : three roods. Three quarters of an acre.


Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.


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StabbittyDoom wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
I would certainly add "caravanserai" to that list. I had that come up in my casual description of a site and I suddenly had a bunch of befuddled players.
You know, I had to look that up, but certainly that's a good word to know!

Obviousy you didn't play Al-Qadim. :) I think there was one in almost every adventure.

Sovereign Court

I knew a good deal of those (not all), and I'm not sure i could all name them in my native language ... what does it say about me ?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.

Sure, a good GM only needs three sentences that don't use any big words:

1. "Are you sure you want to do that ?"

2. "Roll initiative"

3. "TPK"


Gorbacz wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.

Sure, a good GM only needs three sentences that don't use any big words:

1. "Are you sure you want to do that ?"

2. "Roll initiative"

3. "TPK"

3. "Rocks fall, everyone dies."

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Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Andirons: firedogs to hold spits for roasting meat. Support for the grate.

See, now I have to look up 'firedog.' What the heck kind of definition requires me to go look up anothe word? :)

Anywho, I don't want to play in any adventure that doesn't use the word seraglio at least once.

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Cartigan wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.

Sure, a good GM only needs three sentences that don't use any big words:

1. "Are you sure you want to do that ?"

2. "Roll initiative"

3. "TPK"

3. "Rocks fall, everyone dies."

3. OBL (Orbital Bovine Launcher), Party dies.

I don't care if you're underground, it's a brilliant energy bovine of seeking. Why is it that launching a cow from space at players that are underground always get the response "But we're underground!" not "How the hell are you launching a cow from space?"


Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.

maybee this thed not for ou en.


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.
maybee this thed not for ou en.

Your puerile babbling is tiresome.


Cartigan wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.
maybee this thed not for ou en.
Your puerile babbling is tiresome.

My turds are more charming than you.

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Set wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Andirons: firedogs to hold spits for roasting meat. Support for the grate.

See, now I have to look up 'firedog.' What the heck kind of definition requires me to go look up anothe word? :)

Anywho, I don't want to play in any adventure that doesn't use the word seraglio at least once.

I'll see your seraglio and raise you a catamite.


Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.

Can a method be spiteful? Spite is an intention. I can use big words without the intention to be spiteful, but with many other virtuous intentions. It seems to me that actions and intentions can be pretty clearly distinguished in general, and should be in this case as well.

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.
Can a method be spiteful? Spite is an intention. I can use big words without the intention to be spiteful, but with many other virtuous intentions. It seems to me that actions and intentions can be pretty clearly distinguished in general, and should be in this case as well.

Unfortunately there are people out there with sesquipedalophobia, also known as "fear of long words." I've had someone flip-out at me because I used the word "antimacassar" in a sentence rather than say "doily that goes at the top of a chair."

Sometimes a word is the exactly the right word. It's a lot more poetic to say "You come upon a ruined caravanserai" than to say "You come upon the ruins of an Arabian Nights HoJo's or truck stop, but, you know, without the camels instead of without the trucks and motor homes."

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Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Sometimes a word is the exactly the right word. It's a lot more poetic to say "You come upon a ruined caravanserai" than to say "You come upon the ruins of an Arabian Nights HoJo's or truck stop, but, you know, without the camels instead of without the trucks and motor homes."

Although that description has a certain charm. :)

"What's a seraglio?"
"It's a room where men kept all of their wives locked up, under guard."
"So it's a women's prison?"
"Yes, without the tattoos and the shanking, exactly."

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I have not picked up a copy of the GMG yet, but please tell me the word "gazebo" is on the list. :P

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Set wrote:


"What's a seraglio?"
"It's a room where men kept all of their wives locked up, under guard."
"So it's a women's prison?"
"Yes, without the tattoos and the shanking, exactly."

You know, given Hollywood's depictions of the later, this description is rather fitting.

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRN3umyXTk

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Set wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Andirons: firedogs to hold spits for roasting meat. Support for the grate.

See, now I have to look up 'firedog.' What the heck kind of definition requires me to go look up anothe word? :)

That's almost as bad as asking a teacher how to spell a word and being told to look it up. If I know how to spell it I wouldn't be asking! Thus I quickly learned how to use synonyms; so if I can’t spell it, I use a different word!

Deplorable, I tell you.

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AsmodeusUltima wrote:
I have not picked up a copy of the GMG yet, but please tell me the word "gazebo" is on the list. :P

I believe that it was in an early draft, but when the editor saw it he wasted it with his crossbow.


Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Big words are fun and all but the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle Dictionary" approach to DMing is inane to the point of being spiteful.
Can a method be spiteful? Spite is an intention. I can use big words without the intention to be spiteful, but with many other virtuous intentions. It seems to me that actions and intentions can be pretty clearly distinguished in general, and should be in this case as well.

Unfortunately there are people out there with sesquipedalophobia, also known as "fear of long words." I've had someone flip-out at me because I used the word "antimacassar" in a sentence rather than say "doily that goes at the top of a chair."

Sometimes a word is the exactly the right word. It's a lot more poetic to say "You come upon a ruined caravanserai" than to say "You come upon the ruins of an Arabian Nights HoJo's or truck stop, but, you know, without the camels instead of without the trucks and motor homes."

Or you could say "Arabian Inn."

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Cartigan wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:


Sometimes a word is the exactly the right word. It's a lot more poetic to say "You come upon a ruined caravanserai" than to say "You come upon the ruins of an Arabian Nights HoJo's or truck stop, but, you know, without the camels instead of without the trucks and motor homes."
Or you could say "Arabian Inn."

You could. Or you could say "caravanserai", which is more accurate and flavourful and doesn't break suspension of disbelief. At worst, one of your players might say "What's a caravanserai?".

Edit: Hope I have the quotes right this time...


brock wrote:


You could. Or you could say "caravanserai", which is more accurate and flavourful and doesn't break suspension of disbelief. At worst, one of your players might say "What's a caravanserai?".

Doesn't break suspension of disbelief? I fail to see how using a term that is flavorful enough to easily convey the look and feel of the location breaks suspension of disbelief more than a word that the players would have to look up to understand what you are describing. Never mind the fact that "Arabian Inn" is the simple description of what a caravanserai IS. How do you propose to answer "What's a caravanserai?" while avoiding "Arabian Inn." Are you going to spend 2 minutes going into exactly and in detail what a caravanserai is?

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Cartigan wrote:
brock wrote:


You could. Or you could say "caravanserai", which is more accurate and flavourful and doesn't break suspension of disbelief. At worst, one of your players might say "What's a caravanserai?".
Doesn't break suspension of disbelief? I fail to see how using a term that is flavorful enough to easily convey the look and feel of the location breaks suspension of disbelief more than a word that the players would have to look up to understand what you are describing. Never mind the fact that "Arabian Inn" is the simple description of what a caravanserai IS. How do you propose to answer "What's a caravanserai?" while avoiding "Arabian Inn." Are you going to spend 2 minutes going into exactly and in detail what a caravanserai is?

Trouble with the word 'inn' is that people are going to think of 'The Red Lion Inn and Coaching House' which is an old Tudor building at the end of the street, which is entirely the wrong flavour. Using the correct term evokes an image of the correct style of architecture.

Yes, I'd detail the purpose and use of a caravanserai and if the player said "Like an inn?" I'd say "Yes, sort of."

Part of the fun of the game is painting pictures in the mind, and I'm yet to meet a gamer who doesn't like learning new words - it is, at its core, a word game anyway.


brock wrote:


Trouble with the word 'inn' is that people are going to think of 'The Red Lion Inn and Coaching House' which is an old Tudor building at the end of the street, which is entirely the wrong flavour. Using the correct term evokes an image of the correct style of architecture.

Hence the qualifier "Arabian."

At no point do I see you explaining what a carvanserai is. I am a player. I want to know what the hell a caravanserai is and I don't have a dictionary or laptop in front of me. Given the storyline is already broken, please tell me what a caravanserai is.

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it is, at its core, a word game anyway.

Scrabble and Scattergories, yes. D&D, no.

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My education in English as second language began with The Red Box. Before I knew the words "sunflower" and "airplane" I knew the words "dungeon" and "saving throw". My whole English vocabulary is heavily based on what I picked up while reading countless RPG books.

The "Words every GM should know" page in GMG made me cry with joy. Some of these words are my old friends, and many more are new acquintances. I will print that page out, hang it in my room and learn a new word every day. Inconceivable, but true !

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Is the word 'curmudgeon' in the list?

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Cartigan wrote:


Hence the qualifier "Arabian."

Even with the qualifier, people are going to think first of the place they go for beer on a Friday. Better to use the correct term from the start.

Cartigan wrote:


At no point do I see you explaining what a carvanserai is. I am a player. I want to know what the hell a caravanserai is and I don't have a dictionary or laptop in front of me. Given the storyline is already broken, please tell me what a caravanserai is.

Of course I'd explain it if a player asked, although I think it unlikely if they would. Even if they hadn't heard the term before they would probably pick it up though context, just as they would while reading.

caravanserai:
The caravanserai? Well once, it was a semi-fortified compound where travellers could seek some solace during their travel through this land of wind-scoured stones. A place to eat, wash the sand from their parched throats, and sleep in some safety. Maybe even enjoy the charms of Serouna the dancer if their gold was plentiful or their smiles charming. Now it's mostly just a pile of shattered stones and charred wood, although the southern section could still be habitable with some work. Not really a just resting place for Serouna's gnawed bones, but such is life in this desert.

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Gorbacz wrote:

My education in English as second language began with The Red Box. Before I knew the words "sunflower" and "airplane" I knew the words "dungeon" and "saving throw". My whole English vocabulary is heavily based on what I picked up while reading countless RPG books.

Before the Red Box I was unlikely to achieve the necessary grade in English to attend university to study Astrophysics. I just wasn't interested in the subject. DnD improved my grades just enough. I'm English :)


brock wrote:


Even with the qualifier, people are going to think first of the place they go for beer on a Friday.

In certain parts of Britain or America maybe. Inns are not drinking taverns where I am from. And that's irrelevant. Bluntly stupid people not withstanding, Arabian Inn perfectly describes a caravanserai. Matter of fact, Arabian inn or (Middle) Eastern inn is the term used to define caravanserai in EVERY dictionary I've looked it up in.

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Better to use the correct term from the start.

Not if no one knows what it means.

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The caravanserai? Well once, it was a semi-fortified compound where travellers could seek some solace during their travel through this land of wind-scoured stones. A place to eat, wash the sand from their parched throats, and sleep in some safety. Maybe even enjoy the charms of Serouna the dancer if their gold was plentiful or their smiles charming. Now it's mostly just a pile of shattered stones and charred wood, although the southern section could still be habitable with some work. Not really a just resting place for Serouna's gnawed bones, but such is life in this desert.

Great, we've spent 2 minutes unnecessarily describing a type of building because you thought using a non-English word would be educational.

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Cartigan wrote:
brock wrote:


Even with the qualifier, people are going to think first of the place they go for beer on a Friday.

In certain parts of Britain or America maybe. Inns are not drinking taverns where I am from. And that's irrelevant.

I disagree with 'irrelevant' - I might choose to use a different word to you as my audience is different.

Cartigan wrote:


brock wrote:

The caravanserai? Well once, it was a semi-fortified compound where...

Great, we've spent 2 minutes unnecessarily describing a type of building because you thought using a non-English word would be educational.

Not educational, although that is a benefit of the game, I think that it is an appropriate word, it's evocative, flavourful, fun!

I think you and I play very different styles of RPG. To me, Pathfinder is very much a word game, both spoken and written. I'd not want to play with a GM who thought that 2 mins spent describing a major scene was wasted. You're different to me - that's cool - but I'm glad that the folks at Paizo seem to have the same love of language I (now) do.


Apparently you and I have different definitions of the term "word game." When I hear "word game" I think Boggle, Scrabble, Scattergories, that game Lewis Caroll made up, etc.

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Cartigan wrote:
Apparently you and I have different definitions of the term "word game." When I hear "word game" I think Boggle, Scrabble, Scattergories, that game Lewis Caroll made up, etc.

No, I'm intentionally misusing the term ;)

DnD isn't a word game in the traditional sense, but it is a game very much about words in that these are the only tools that the GM has available to describe the scene. I described DnD as a word game for that reason, and because we are discussing words.

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