Awakened dinosaurs (thematic concerns)Especially purple ones, with Bard levels.
And Leadership for lots of henchpersons (children a speciality)."Everybody ready?"
"I love you,
You love me..."
Ah, the encounter where you get XPs for NOT killing the creature...
I said no to a player who wanted to be the prince of the main kingdom of the campaign... and next in line for the throne. When I told him that it did not fit my campaign (he could be a prince, but not next in line for the throne, since I planned on the king being killed not long after the campaign started) and he argued with me, saying that it was "his concept and I had no right to deny it".
I do not like sneaky games.
And by that, I mean sneaky gamers.
And by sneaky gamers I mean players that want to metaphorically poo all over the other players and grab all the loot.
I can't necessarily get rid of the player, as the group would implode, but I sure as hell can get rid of their sneakiness.
Such as, in 2nd Ed: "I'm a multiclass fighter/mage/rogue, but only you know I'm a rogue and mage - everyone else thinks I'm just a fighter. That way they won't suspect me when I start stealing magic stuff."
This, in a game where I started the characters off with 3k experience, where I say to the player across the table: "So you split it three ways for your character, yeah?" and wait for the inevitable questions from the other players, who know about his questionable gaming ethics.
The look on his face was... worth allowing him at the table. For a short time anyway.
I don't DM any more. Probably due to this guy. Ho hum.
RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16
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I do not like sneaky games.
And by that, I mean sneaky gamers.
And by sneaky gamers I mean players that want to metaphorically poo all over the other players and grab all the loot.
I can't necessarily get rid of the player, as the group would implode, but I sure as hell can get rid of their sneakiness.
Such as, in 2nd Ed: "I'm a multiclass fighter/mage/rogue, but only you know I'm a rogue and mage - everyone else thinks I'm just a fighter. That way they won't suspect me when I start stealing magic stuff."
This, in a game where I started the characters off with 3k experience, where I say to the player across the table: "So you split it three ways for your character, yeah?" and wait for the inevitable questions from the other players, who know about his questionable gaming ethics.
The look on his face was... worth allowing him at the table. For a short time anyway.
I don't DM any more. Probably due to this guy. Ho hum.
Funny, I played a 2E elf M/T. I pretended to be a human mage (hat of disguise). I snuck around and ninja'd most of the loot all the time, but I used my powers for good! I'd ninja loot, then hand out items to whoever could make the best use of them. Instead of hoarding everything for my own benefit, I ensured a fair and sensible (if autocratic) loot distribution and cut down on party conflict.
In a Dragonlance campaign, there were to characters I wish were rejected. One was a Kender Alchemist and a Phaethon Monk who were so distuptive, that they almost ruined the game for me. The Afflicted Kender Rogue and the Tinker Gnome Tinker (I do not remember his exact class, but he made tempirary magical devices) I did not mind working with, nor any of the others in the game.
Funny, I played a 2E elf M/T. I pretended to be a human mage (hat of disguise). I snuck around and ninja'd most of the loot all the time, but I used my powers for good! I'd ninja loot, then hand out items to whoever could make the best use of them. Instead of hoarding everything for my own benefit, I ensured a fair and sensible (if autocratic) loot distribution and cut down on party conflict.
Bolded for emphasis. If it worked, it worked. The player I am thinking about was all "Me! Me! Me!" and had no interest in fairness.
Which really just goes back to what someone else said upthread:
Solution: Don't play with jerks.
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*readies the bardic dinosaur-killing spell*Awakened dinosaurs (thematic concerns)Especially purple ones, with Bard levels.
And Leadership for lots of henchpersons (children a speciality)."Everybody ready?"
"I love you,
You love me..."
That would be this one?
*readies the bardic dinosaur-killing spell*Awakened dinosaurs (thematic concerns)Especially purple ones, with Bard levels.
And Leadership for lots of henchpersons (children a speciality)."Everybody ready?"
"I love you,
You love me..."That would be this one?
I thought we were talking about this one. [shivers...]
I thought we were talking about this one. [shivers...]*readies the bardic dinosaur-killing spell*Awakened dinosaurs (thematic concerns)Especially purple ones, with Bard levels.
And Leadership for lots of henchpersons (children a speciality)."Everybody ready?"
"I love you,
You love me..."That would be this one?
You're both wrong.
It's THIS one.
I said no to a player who wanted to be the prince of the main kingdom of the campaign... and next in line for the throne. When I told him that it did not fit my campaign (he could be a prince, but not next in line for the throne, since I planned on the king being killed not long after the campaign started) and he argued with me, saying that it was "his concept and I had no right to deny it".
BWWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I can't believe...no wait this is a gamer we're talking about so I can believe he said that to you.
I would have let him do it.
Then killed his character in the first session.
"Now the King has no heir!!! The kingdom is plunged into turmoil."
I then thank the player for providing such an awesome beginning to the campaign, what a trooper taking one for the game like that! LOL!
I'm going to have to ban one player from a future horror campaign. It turns out this player is a sociopath and cannot feel fear. Normally this isn't a problem, I just have to keep a strong hold on the math and the rules, but it's a horror campaign. It's also a great form of therapy for her since she gets a chance to act out emotions in a game setting where people are less likely to be freaked out.
Luckily, being a sociopath she'll look at this logically long before figuring out she's supposed to feel left out. And by then I'll probably have set up a second game...
I don't DM any more. Probably due to this guy. Ho hum.Was this the player whose equipment list once included a bottle of chloroform, and a jar of lube?
Yes. Although as far as I can remember, it was his character's equipment, not his own...
Could be wrong though.
Friends,
I would like to take this time to address a serious problem I have seen with many new players. And that problem is with "Drizzt Clones" Oh sure, the new player wants to play something different, a character they may have read about. It's only natural, really.
But we in the gaming community have to say No. We have to take a firm stance, and gently persuade our friends that that is not road they want to walk down.
If you arn't sure if your player is attempting to create a DC, take note of the following warning signs:
1. Asking questions about playing Dark Elves, or Drow. "Hey, I was looking thru the (PHB, Main book, etc) and I didn't see Drow, why is that?"
2. Wondering about why two weapon fighting feats have so many requirements. "Why can't I just start the game with all these feats?"
3. Asking for magic items during character creation. "Isn't this the game that has those little statues that come to life?"
If your players ever exhibit one or all of these symptoms, stop them immediately. Don't be too forceful or insulting. Calmly explain that that type of character may not fit into your campaign or game world.
Please join me in just saying "NO" to "Drizzt Clones"
also I have had to say no to a mummy character. Why would anyone want to play a mummy anyway.
Mummys are caring, warming and they put bandaids on you which hurts.
Wrong mummy? Well mummys are ancient, don't think they're intelligent, but you will never run out of bandaging or loo roll...
I've had to say no to a dragonhide-wearing barbarian with a six foot long greatsword made from its bones...
...in a science fiction exploration/spec ops game.
The player insisted it made sense for the game. Space dragons exist, obviously! It'd be stupid if they didn't.
Don't think I've really said no to a character concept, but I did not list Magus as a possible class and for some reason a guy made his character one :p
It's incredibly fun. We've done I think two modules so far - I know we did a heavily "adapted" Modron March, since it's being played in BESM - with a lot of silliness along the way. Each character is a magical girl for a different faction. I'm Godsmen-tan!Planescape Magical Girls.Kill it. Kill it with FIRE.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
*yoink*
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Well, I remember three character concepts I rejected:
1) On a convention a player wanted to play a ranger whose overall goal was to convert all the evil pagans to good worshippers of "our lord Jesus". That was for a Forgotten Realms Game...no, his character had no connection to our world, he would have been born in Cormyr and had his mission revealed to him by god.
After a short (it felt longer...) discussion with the player I did reject the character and thakfully the player left, looking for another game or I would have rejected him, too. He crept me out - and that is not an easy task.
2) A sadistic, human hating Noldor priest of Morgoth - in a vanilla good guys M.E.R.P. campaign with shared gm duties. The player who wanted to play that cleric often threw adventures at us, where we would have an easier, more rewarding time if we turnned evil, but she managed to keep these scenarios fun for good characters, so we didn't complain.
She left the group sometimes later, which was unfortunate as she was a very good player and a very nice girl.
I later met the player again in a rolemaster group where she played that cleric. Neither me nor the gm (who stepped in for the regular gm of the group and didn't care to ask about the characters involved) knew what she was playing and the look on the gm's face when she revealed her true nature was priceless.
We freed a group of slaves.
Player: "Any good looking man among them?"
GM: (rolls) "Yes."
Player: "I grab him and drag him behind some bushes."
GM: "Ahm..,OK"
Player: "I remove his Shirt."
GM: "Oh, well, OK."
Player: "I cut his Heart out as a sacrifice to Morgoth"
GM: ...!
3) When we started a new Forgotten Realms campaign, I let the players think about their characters. Iasked for good or neutral characters willing to embark on an adventurous life due to curiosity and a lust for adventure (or fame, or fortune) as it was a short campaign of very classical adventures not easily tied to personal quests or delivered to the reluctant hero type. I told them the adventures would take place all over the realms, so travel would be involved and the characters could more or less come from anywhere the wanted.
Last of the players wants to play a geriatric wizard, bad memory, not very good at magic (after all he still was first level after a lifetime of study) and crippled by age to a state of almost not being able to move without help.
I only asked him if he didn't want to play anymore or if he wanted another campaign, but he was eager to play and came up with another concept a few days later.
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I said no to a player who wanted to be the prince of the main kingdom of the campaign... and next in line for the throne. When I told him that it did not fit my campaign (he could be a prince, but not next in line for the throne, since I planned on the king being killed not long after the campaign started) and he argued with me, saying that it was "his concept and I had no right to deny it".
Sucks when the king dies and you find out you're actually a bastard, with your younger brother gunning for you and your mother headed off to the chopping block for her infidelity. And your true father is something really horrible and abhorrent...
Friends,
I would like to take this time to address a serious problem I have seen with many new players. And that problem is with "Drizzt Clones" Oh sure, the new player wants to play something different, a character they may have read about. It's only natural, really.But we in the gaming community have to say No. We have to take a firm stance, and gently persuade our friends that that is not road they want to walk down.
If you arn't sure if your player is attempting to create a DC, take note of the following warning signs:
1. Asking questions about playing Dark Elves, or Drow. "Hey, I was looking thru the (PHB, Main book, etc) and I didn't see Drow, why is that?"
2. Wondering about why two weapon fighting feats have so many requirements. "Why can't I just start the game with all these feats?"
3. Asking for magic items during character creation. "Isn't this the game that has those little statues that come to life?"
If your players ever exhibit one or all of these symptoms, stop them immediately. Don't be too forceful or insulting. Calmly explain that that type of character may not fit into your campaign or game world.
Please join me in just saying "NO" to "Drizzt Clones"
I applaud this public service announcement.
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I applaud this public service announcement.Friends,
I would like to take this time to address a serious problem I have seen with many new players. And that problem is with "Drizzt Clones" Oh sure, the new player wants to play something different, a character they may have read about. It's only natural, really.But we in the gaming community have to say No. We have to take a firm stance, and gently persuade our friends that that is not road they want to walk down.
If you arn't sure if your player is attempting to create a DC, take note of the following warning signs:
1. Asking questions about playing Dark Elves, or Drow. "Hey, I was looking thru the (PHB, Main book, etc) and I didn't see Drow, why is that?"
2. Wondering about why two weapon fighting feats have so many requirements. "Why can't I just start the game with all these feats?"
3. Asking for magic items during character creation. "Isn't this the game that has those little statues that come to life?"
If your players ever exhibit one or all of these symptoms, stop them immediately. Don't be too forceful or insulting. Calmly explain that that type of character may not fit into your campaign or game world.
Please join me in just saying "NO" to "Drizzt Clones"
Oh, why did they create the Dervish prestige class so there would be bonuses for dual-wielding scimitars?
+1 applauding the public service announcement.
also I have had to say no to a mummy character. Why would anyone want to play a mummy anyway.Mummys are caring, warming and they put bandaids on you which hurts.
Wrong mummy? Well mummys are ancient, don't think they're intelligent, but you will never run out of bandaging or loo roll...
Two years ago, I played a Mummy Bounty Hunter type in a plane-hopping game. The concept behind the character was that he was "bound" to the party's benefactor and used as incredibly patient bounty hunter or assassin.
He stayed quiet and kept his identity under wraps (ha ha) for most of the campaign. I played up the whole secret-undead thing as much as possible, trying to generate an air of dread and mystery. He wore a bronze mask, curiously out of style clothing, and was strangely quiet. I always used phrases to describe his actions such as "I loom in the background" or "I'll go lurk in the hallway" as much as possible. He always seemed to arrive and disappear mysteriously causing PCs and NPCs alike to jump in surprise.
The great part about it was that the DM and the rest of the players played along with the whole concept. We had a lot of fun in that game.
Alas, he was destroyed in a campaign ending TPK.
also I have had to say no to a mummy character. Why would anyone want to play a mummy anyway.Mummys are caring, warming and they put bandaids on you which hurts.
Wrong mummy? Well mummys are ancient, don't think they're intelligent, but you will never run out of bandaging or loo roll...
Two years ago, I played a Mummy Bounty Hunter type in a plane-hopping game. The concept behind the character was that he was "bound" to the party's benefactor and used as incredibly patient bounty hunter or assassin.
He stayed quiet and kept his identity under wraps (ha ha) for most of the campaign. I played up the whole secret-undead thing as much as possible, trying to generate an air of dread and mystery. He wore a bronze mask, curiously out of style clothing, and was strangely quiet. I always used phrases to describe his actions such as "I loom in the background" or "I'll go lurk in the hallway" as much as possible. He always seemed to arrive and disappear mysteriously causing PCs and NPCs alike to jump in surprise.
The great part about it was that the DM and the rest of the players played along with the whole concept. We had a lot of fun in that game.
Alas, he was destroyed in a campaign ending TPK.
Damn that sounds fun!
