paizo.com Recent Posts in Improved Grab Grapple Snatchpaizo.com Recent Posts in Improved Grab Grapple Snatch2012-11-15T22:38:37Z2012-11-15T22:38:37ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchKing of Vrock (alias of primemover003, RPG Superstar 2013 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#122014-04-20T19:39:56Z2010-06-09T20:14:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Razz wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought the Pathfinder version of grapple still allows you to attack other enemies you threaten, except at a -2 penalty and with -4 penalty to Dexterity against them? </blockquote>Nope, you have to have the grab ability and take a -20 in order to threaten others. </blockquote><p>Wrong you may still attack others outside the grapple but you take a -2 penalty to attacks. The only restriction is you can't take AoO's.
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<p>—Figure Four Leg Vrock!</p>wraithstrike wrote:Razz wrote: I thought the Pathfinder version of grapple still allows you to attack other enemies you threaten, except at a -2 penalty and with -4 penalty to Dexterity against them?
Nope, you have to have the grab ability and take a -20 in order to threaten others. Wrong you may still attack others outside the grapple but you take a -2 penalty to attacks. The only restriction is you can't take AoO's. [Spoiler omitted]
--Figure Four Leg Vrock!King of Vrock (alias of primemover003, RPG Superstar 2013 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16)2010-06-09T20:14:36ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple Snatchwraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#112010-06-09T01:56:16Z2010-06-09T01:56:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Razz wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought the Pathfinder version of grapple still allows you to attack other enemies you threaten, except at a -2 penalty and with -4 penalty to Dexterity against them? </blockquote><p>Nope, you have to have the grab ability and take a -20 in order to threaten others.Razz wrote:I thought the Pathfinder version of grapple still allows you to attack other enemies you threaten, except at a -2 penalty and with -4 penalty to Dexterity against them?
Nope, you have to have the grab ability and take a -20 in order to threaten others.wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2010-06-09T01:56:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchRazzhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#102010-06-09T01:48:19Z2010-06-09T01:48:19Z<p>I thought the Pathfinder version of grapple still allows you to attack other enemies you threaten, except at a -2 penalty and with -4 penalty to Dexterity against them?</p>I thought the Pathfinder version of grapple still allows you to attack other enemies you threaten, except at a -2 penalty and with -4 penalty to Dexterity against them?Razz2010-06-09T01:48:19ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchThazarhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#92010-06-08T23:50:31Z2010-06-08T23:50:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zaister wrote:</div><blockquote> That rule still exists. No matter how the grapple has come about, the grappling creature can take -20 on its grapple checks, and if it succeeds, it does not gain the grapples condition and just holds on with the used natural weapon. </blockquote><p>I like to explain this to players as the "King Kong" option to grab the girl. :)Zaister wrote:That rule still exists. No matter how the grapple has come about, the grappling creature can take -20 on its grapple checks, and if it succeeds, it does not gain the grapples condition and just holds on with the used natural weapon.
I like to explain this to players as the "King Kong" option to grab the girl. :)Thazar2010-06-08T23:50:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple Snatchraidou (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#82012-12-05T08:33:59Z2010-06-08T23:38:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ice Titan wrote:</div><blockquote><p>It bites, hits, attempts to start a grapple at -20.</p>
<p>If it fails, can it claw, attempt to grapple with -20, fail again and then claw and attempt again at -20?</blockquote><p>This isn't quite right, because the dragon isn't maintaining the grapple yet, it's just beginning the grab at this stage. So all three of those attacks have a chance to grab the opponent at the dragon's CMB (+4 for simulating the grab ability)
<p>On the dragon's next turn, if the victim has been grabbed and hasn't escaped yet, the dragon can choose to maintain the grab by just holding on to the victim. It's THIS check that suffers the -20, mitigated somewhat by the +5 bonus the dragon gets due to its victim failing to escape during its turn.</p>Ice Titan wrote:It bites, hits, attempts to start a grapple at -20.
If it fails, can it claw, attempt to grapple with -20, fail again and then claw and attempt again at -20?
This isn't quite right, because the dragon isn't maintaining the grapple yet, it's just beginning the grab at this stage. So all three of those attacks have a chance to grab the opponent at the dragon's CMB (+4 for simulating the grab ability) On the dragon's next turn, if the victim has been grabbed and hasn't escaped...raidou (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4)2010-06-08T23:38:07ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchZaisterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#72010-06-08T18:59:22Z2010-06-08T18:59:22Z<p>Basically, that's right, as long as it has the Snatch feat, which means it must be a Huge or larger dragon.</p>Basically, that's right, as long as it has the Snatch feat, which means it must be a Huge or larger dragon.Zaister2010-06-08T18:59:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchIce Titan (alias of SecSeibzehn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#62010-06-08T18:45:48Z2010-06-08T18:45:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">AvalonXQ wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Under the Grab rules, you can maintain the grapple with just a limb by taking a -20 on the check.
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A lot of readers, myself included, take that to mean that you can make the grapple check at -20 by tying up that limb as a free action, and still have your normal actions (minus the use of that limb). So if the beast is an overwhelmingly good grappler, he can grapple one enemy and still fight the others effectively. </blockquote><p>Hm. So, let's say it's a dragon...
<p>It bites, hits, attempts to start a grapple at -20.</p>
<p>If it fails, can it claw, attempt to grapple with -20, fail again and then claw and attempt again at -20?</p>AvalonXQ wrote:Under the Grab rules, you can maintain the grapple with just a limb by taking a -20 on the check.
A lot of readers, myself included, take that to mean that you can make the grapple check at -20 by tying up that limb as a free action, and still have your normal actions (minus the use of that limb). So if the beast is an overwhelmingly good grappler, he can grapple one enemy and still fight the others effectively.
Hm. So, let's say it's a dragon... It bites, hits, attempts to...Ice Titan (alias of SecSeibzehn)2010-06-08T18:45:47ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchAvalonXQhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#52010-06-08T18:38:31Z2010-06-08T18:38:31Z<p>Under the Grab rules, you can maintain the grapple with just a limb by taking a -20 on the check.
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A lot of readers, myself included, take that to mean that you can make the grapple check at -20 by tying up that limb as a free action, and still have your normal actions (minus the use of that limb). So if the beast is an overwhelmingly good grappler, he can grapple one enemy and still fight the others effectively.</p>Under the Grab rules, you can maintain the grapple with just a limb by taking a -20 on the check.
A lot of readers, myself included, take that to mean that you can make the grapple check at -20 by tying up that limb as a free action, and still have your normal actions (minus the use of that limb). So if the beast is an overwhelmingly good grappler, he can grapple one enemy and still fight the others effectively.AvalonXQ2010-06-08T18:38:31ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchZaisterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#42010-06-08T18:37:21Z2010-06-08T18:37:20Z<p>That rule still exists. No matter how the grapple has come about, the grappling creature can take -20 on its grapple checks, and if it succeeds, it does not gain the grapples condition and just holds on with the used natural weapon.</p>That rule still exists. No matter how the grapple has come about, the grappling creature can take -20 on its grapple checks, and if it succeeds, it does not gain the grapples condition and just holds on with the used natural weapon.Zaister2010-06-08T18:37:20ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchIce Titan (alias of SecSeibzehn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#32010-06-08T18:35:02Z2010-06-08T18:34:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zaister wrote:</div><blockquote> There is no such ability as "Improved Grab" in the Pathfinder RPG. Some creatures have the grab ability with certain natural weapons that allow them to start a grapple as a free action wen they score a hit with that weapon. The Snatch feat allows creatures that do NOT have the grab ability to to more or less the same. </blockquote><p>Annoying. I remember in 3.5e there was something that monsters could use to just use one hand to grapple someone down. I'm just asking because I'm running Curse of the Crimson Throne and I keep seeing these singular crazy monsters who have grab and grappling is like the worst option for them unless they're doing it on someone who goes just before them in init who's provoking from movement.
<p>Also, icon buddies yeeah</p>Zaister wrote:There is no such ability as "Improved Grab" in the Pathfinder RPG. Some creatures have the grab ability with certain natural weapons that allow them to start a grapple as a free action wen they score a hit with that weapon. The Snatch feat allows creatures that do NOT have the grab ability to to more or less the same.
Annoying. I remember in 3.5e there was something that monsters could use to just use one hand to grapple someone down. I'm just asking because I'm running Curse...Ice Titan (alias of SecSeibzehn)2010-06-08T18:34:41ZRe: Forums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchZaisterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#22012-11-15T22:38:37Z2010-06-08T18:25:33Z<p>There is no such ability as "Improved Grab" in the Pathfinder RPG. Some creatures have the grab ability with certain natural weapons that allow them to start a grapple as a free action wen they score a hit with that weapon. The Snatch feat allows creatures that do NOT have the grab ability to to more or less the same.</p>There is no such ability as "Improved Grab" in the Pathfinder RPG. Some creatures have the grab ability with certain natural weapons that allow them to start a grapple as a free action wen they score a hit with that weapon. The Snatch feat allows creatures that do NOT have the grab ability to to more or less the same.Zaister2010-06-08T18:25:33ZForums: Advice: Improved Grab Grapple SnatchIce Titan (alias of SecSeibzehn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kwfp?Improved-Grab-Grapple-Snatch#12012-11-15T22:38:37Z2010-06-08T18:21:27Z<p>What's the difference between Improved Grab and Snatch? Why would a single monster ever use these abilities? </p>
<p>The text for snatch seems to imply that I can do it with one appendage or maintain without sacrificing all of my actions and becoming cannon fodder. Can, for instance, a dragon full attack, bite and snatch with his mouth and continue full attacking? Does the dragon gain the grappled condition for holding, say, a tiny dog in his mouth even though he's colossal sized? Does the dragon have to sacrifice all of his attacks to keep grappling the tiny dog with his bite or can he continue to wreak havoc?</p>What's the difference between Improved Grab and Snatch? Why would a single monster ever use these abilities?
The text for snatch seems to imply that I can do it with one appendage or maintain without sacrificing all of my actions and becoming cannon fodder. Can, for instance, a dragon full attack, bite and snatch with his mouth and continue full attacking? Does the dragon gain the grappled condition for holding, say, a tiny dog in his mouth even though he's colossal sized? Does the dragon...Ice Titan (alias of SecSeibzehn)2010-06-08T18:21:27Z