How about a magazine of adventures?


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Now, I love the Pathfinder Adventure Paths, and the Pathfinder Modules are cool, too. But don't you think there's a market for a monthly (or bi-monthly) magazine with three or four shorter adventures for differing levels of play? Many of these could be written by freelancers or newcomers (giving another way of discovering new talent, in addition to RPG Superstar). I'm sure Paizo has the skills and experience necessary to produce such a publication, and I know that I'd subscribe from issue #1! Perhaps it could be called Paths Magazine?

Sovereign Court

Great idea, Callum. I'd certainly buy this as long as it was of the same high production values as other PF releases.

Shorter, less background intensive/dependent adventures are also better introductions for new players, and help to inspire 'filler sessions' within a larger campaign or when a GM is missing a few regular players.

Pathfinder Quarterly ?


This request comes up every now and then--summary answer: magazines are absolutely unprofitable and would detract from Paizo's ability to produce other materials.

Here's an example thread with Paizo responses:

I want a Pathfinder Magazine


Although I've been ninja'd by erian_7, I would add that I found this post to be particularly informative.

If you want short Pathfinder adventures, maybe you could try Pathfinder Society Scenarios?


We could call it Dunge...no, wait. Crap! I got nothin!


Thanks for those links, guys. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "magazine" in my original post, as that wasn't quite what I meant - "publication" would have been better. I was imagining something pretty much identical to a Pathfinder Adventure Path, but with three stand-alone adventures in each issue. I'd find that very useful, for the reasons that Mark A. Simmons outlines.

Incidentally, how does one get hold of Pathfinder Society Scenarios?


I think a small plug and play mini-module, like a previously published magazine did would be a great resource for GMs to add to their games.

If this is something Paizo would not be interested in publishing maybe a 3PP would take the reins.

You can buy the scenarios here.

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Callum wrote:
Thanks for those links, guys. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "magazine" in my original post, as that wasn't quite what I meant - "publication" would have been better. I was imagining something pretty much identical to a Pathfinder Adventure Path, but with three stand-alone adventures in each issue. I'd find that very useful, for the reasons that Mark A. Simmons outlines.

I miss Dungeon and would like something you're mentioning, but I also understand why when Paizo lost the rights to Dungeon and Dragon, they replaced them with the APs. Well, and with Kobold Quarterly, but I don't think that has adventures in it (I keep meaning to buy a copy and check it out and forget).

Probably the best we could hope for is that the fan-made Wayfinder publication starts including adventures?

BTW, I think the word you are looking for is "periodical." :)

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Incidentally, how does one get hold of Pathfinder Society Scenarios?

Look to your left and click "Pathfinder Society Organized Play" and go from there.


I think somthing like wayfinder would be cool but was all stand alone adventures and sell it in PDF form only like bi monthly


Joey Virtue wrote:
I think somthing like wayfinder would be cool but was all stand alone adventures and sell it in PDF form only like bi monthly

How did you find my Secret Book of Plans? :O

^_^


Lilith wrote:
Joey Virtue wrote:
I think somthing like wayfinder would be cool but was all stand alone adventures and sell it in PDF form only like bi monthly

How did you find my Secret Book of Plans? :O

^_^

Cause great minds think alike

Liberty's Edge

erian_7 wrote:

This request comes up every now and then--summary answer: magazines are absolutely unprofitable and would detract from Paizo's ability to produce other materials.

Here's an example thread with Paizo responses:

I want a Pathfinder Magazine

I think "magazines are absolutely unprofitable" is an over statement. More realistic to say magazines are tough to make a profit in, but not impossible. I worked in the magazine publishing industry for many years and have seen it get more difficult, but there ARE still publications, both large and small, making profit. Of course, many others are not.

As was pointed out, Kobold Quarterly is a great example of a specific magazine that has found a way to be both popular and profitable, for instance.

@ DeathQuaker: I can't recommend picking up a copy of Kobold Quarterly enough. It has plenty of Pathfinder content and the quality is quite high. In fact, the next issue (the big GenCon issue 14) which comes out in a few months looks to have a LOT of Pathfinder content - this would probably be a GREAT issue for you to check out!

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Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

KQ is quarterly, meaning it's much more easy and relaxed to put together stuff every three months than it is every month. Deadline monsters etc. :)


DeathQuaker wrote:


I miss Dungeon and would like something you're mentioning, but I also understand why when Paizo lost the rights to Dungeon and Dragon, they replaced them with the APs. Well, and with Kobold Quarterly, but I don't think that has adventures in it (I keep meaning to buy a copy and check it out and forget).

I have the pdf copies of all issues to date if you want to pick through them. I find them to be good reading. I'd have print copies too, but the space magazines take up seems to grow whenever you turn your back;)


Marc Radle wrote:

I think "magazines are absolutely unprofitable" is an over statement. More realistic to say magazines are tough to make a profit in, but not impossible. I worked in the magazine publishing industry for many years and have seen it get more difficult, but there ARE still publications, both large and small, making profit. Of course, many others are not.

As was pointed out, Kobold Quarterly is a great example of a specific magazine that has found a way to be both popular and profitable, for instance.

Sure, there are other magazines elsewhere making a profit. However, Paizo folks have stated on multiple occasions that, barring a substantial up-front investment, magazines are not profitable. They tried it with Undeafeated. They tried it with Amazing Stories. If it will help, one can add, "For Paizo, magazines are absolutely unprofitable..." I didn't see any need to do so considering the focus of the conversation and in context with the linked thread.


perhaps do it yourself? as a free/cheap publication? free pdfs, use magcloud for printing with a low royalty set?

with free software thats available its possible to get respectable results. you just need someone with some design sense and experience.

since you're a free/cheap fan zine type publication, no one would be expecting paizo level quality to art and cartography. so you could do the maps old school style, or with just basic pattern fills. rather than dishing out for tons of cartography. art could be simple like the paper minis they did for king maker #1.

as long as you wern't going for 96 super quality pages, it'd be doable in your spare time. just not really profitable.


What kind of magazine was "Undefeated"? I can see it had the tagline "The Magazine for Games You Can Win". Is that referring to board games, etc.?

EDIT: Or collector card games, maybe?


hogarth wrote:

What kind of magazine was "Undefeated"? I can see it had the tagline "The Magazine for Games You Can Win". Is that referring to board games, etc.?

EDIT: Or collector card games, maybe?

I never actually saw one, but believe it was for both of those, plus miniatures.

Liberty's Edge

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No more magazines. I love my Kobold Quarterly but Level Up turned out to be a waste of my money. I'd rather companies focus on releasing good print products then magazines.

Sovereign Court

I love mags, but I'd rather Paizo kept their current focus. (Huzzah !!!!)

Now, if a 3PP did something ... I'd check it out !


I love the KQ myself. The Pathfinder stuff is typically pretty good. Issue 13 actually had a small aquatic adventure in it for PFRPG

Paizo Employee Creative Director

"Undefeated" was about board games, card games, and the like.

And Paizo isn't interested in getting back into the magazine market. That's a good way to go broke.

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Marc Radle wrote:
@ DeathQuaker: I can't recommend picking up a copy of Kobold Quarterly enough. It has plenty of Pathfinder content and the quality is quite high. In fact, the next issue (the big GenCon issue 14) which comes out in a few months looks to have a LOT of Pathfinder content - this would probably be a GREAT issue for you to check out!

Duly noted! I'll have to remember to order a copy next time I put one in. Challenge is, can I get it to time with my APG or GameMastery shipment?

Lathiira wrote:


I have the pdf copies of all issues to date if you want to pick through them. I find them to be good reading. I'd have print copies too, but the space magazines take up seems to grow whenever you turn your back;)

I know you've seen my evergrowing shelf o' Doctor Who Magazine and Everyday with Rachael Ray so you know I am well aware of that. :) I am a sucker for the printed word though. But I'll have to bug ya to look at the .pdfs to get a feel for KQ at least.


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James Jacobs wrote:
That's a good way to go broke.

Was this in reference to magazines or buying Pathfinder books? I think it works for either.


James Jacobs wrote:
Paizo isn't interested in getting back into the magazine market. That's a good way to go broke.

How about my suggestion of a Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-style publication with three stand-alone adventures per issue? Do you think there's be any mileage in such a product (Pathfinder Adventures, say) for Paizo?

The Exchange

Callum wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Paizo isn't interested in getting back into the magazine market. That's a good way to go broke.
How about my suggestion of a Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-style publication with three stand-alone adventures per issue? Do you think there's be any mileage in such a product (Pathfinder Adventures, say) for Paizo?

Biggest problem with that is that it is so incredibly similar to Pathfinder Society Scenarios that there's almost no reason to do it. Yes, I understand that Society scenarios are made with OP in mind, are exceedingly short, include faction missions, and aren't in print (PDF only). But they seem too similar to me to want to buy. I'm already getting the modules, APs, and Society scenarios. No way I could run more as is.


Maybe a fan-based site where adventures can be up and downloaded is your best hope, but probably meaningless if you don't have some steady contributors at least.


Alizor wrote:
Yes, I understand that Society scenarios are made with OP in mind...

The OP?

Alizor wrote:
...are exceedingly short, include faction missions, and aren't in print (PDF only)...

Also, it's possible that Callum might want more artwork than the PSSs have. Is that the case, Callum?


Callum wrote:
Now, I love the Pathfinder Adventure Paths, and the Pathfinder Modules are cool, too. But don't you think there's a market for a monthly (or bi-monthly) magazine with three or four shorter adventures for differing levels of play? Many of these could be written by freelancers or newcomers (giving another way of discovering new talent, in addition to RPG Superstar). I'm sure Paizo has the skills and experience necessary to produce such a publication, and I know that I'd subscribe from issue #1! Perhaps it could be called Paths Magazine?

How about a bi-monthly online pdf magazine you can download. It can be called, Gamemaster, targeted at DM/GM's with 3 or 4 short adventures and GMing advice the GM who's short on time but long on passion.

The Exchange

Aaron Bitman wrote:
Alizor wrote:
Yes, I understand that Society scenarios are made with OP in mind...
The OP?

Sorry, habit of using the correct acronym in the incorrect forum. Organized Play.


Aaron Bitman wrote:
Also, it's possible that Callum might want more artwork than the PSSs have. Is that the case, Callum?

Yes, I'm looking for something with the production values of the Adventure Paths - a top-quality periodical that I can read on the train, with differing adventures of all types that I can be inspired by, plunder for ideas, use as one-offs or fill-ins in campaigns, or assemble my own campaign from.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Callum wrote:
How about my suggestion of a Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-style publication with three stand-alone adventures per issue? Do you think there's be any mileage in such a product (Pathfinder Adventures, say) for Paizo?

To me, that sounds like a bundle of three Pathfinder Modules. Frankly, I don't think such a product would sell any better than our current module line, and I'd even wager that it would sell slightly worse. There are good reasons that we shifted our Module line from monthly to bimonthly a while back, and high among them is that—big secret here—people really, really prefer connected Adventure Paths to standalone modules. Modules do ok, and we think they're necessary to support the game and the world, but we're not especially dying to do a lot more of them.

A bigger issue, though, is that honestly, we're at capacity with our current product list. Sure, we could add more staff to crank out new stuff, but I feel we're pretty much at that point where adding new stuff—even if you add new people—would require us to split our attention too much, and we'd lose coherence in our products and in our setting. And we're also to the point where adding more staff would begin to require us to add more management overhead, and I don't really want that. I've seen two companies swell past that point before, and it frankly kind of sucks. You get wasteful and inefficient; you have problems communicating; you get pockets of people with different expectations about what everyone else is doing... it becomes a mess, and everything and everyone suffers, from employees to audience.

So no, we have no interest in adding a regular series of additional adventures to our product lines.


Vic Wertz wrote:
To me, that sounds like a bundle of three Pathfinder Modules. Frankly, I don't think such a product would sell any better than our current module line, and I'd even wager that it would sell slightly worse.

Has there been any consideration to a series of modules or just a handful that do not take place in the Golarion setting at all?

Dark Archive

I am sure Lilith will be coming up with a Wayfinder Adventures or something along those lines in the near future. It would be cool to have such and if done like wayfinder. It would give authors a chance to get their name out there and get published, which might lead to paying jobs. :)


Dark_Mistress wrote:
I am sure Lilith will be coming up with a Wayfinder Adventures or something along those lines in the near future. It would be cool to have such and if done like wayfinder. It would give authors a chance to get their name out there and get published, which might lead to paying jobs. :)

Thanks for the vote of confidence Dark_Mistress. *offers delicious dark chocolate brownies*

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion, Pawns, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber
MerrikCale wrote:
Has there been any consideration to a series of modules or just a handful that do not take place in the Golarion setting at all?

When the GameMastery line first started they didn't look like they were tied to Golarion at all. I suspect they probably weren't until Pathfinder's success. That said, you still need a town, adventure sites, and more for the module. I don't see the point of create additional fictional locations not tied to ALL of Paizo's other RPG products.

The modules as they are don't require you to play them in Golarion or any of it's setting material.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion, Pawns, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

To further illustrate my point, here's something James said about publishing generic adventures. :)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

MerrikCale wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
To me, that sounds like a bundle of three Pathfinder Modules. Frankly, I don't think such a product would sell any better than our current module line, and I'd even wager that it would sell slightly worse.
Has there been any consideration to a series of modules or just a handful that do not take place in the Golarion setting at all?

As I mentioned on the other thread, modules not set on Golarion are poor choices for us to do for a variety of reasons.

As for the other point... we already ARE doing short series of modules, and have done so from the start.

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