paizo.com Recent Posts in AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planpaizo.com Recent Posts in AT&T to change their unlimited iPad plan2012-11-15T22:38:17Z2012-11-15T22:38:17ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planDisenchanter (alias of Don Northness)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#482010-06-10T17:18:45Z2010-06-10T17:18:44Z<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/10/o2_limited_data_plans/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">And other networks follow suit</a>.</p>
<p>((<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10285910.stm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Another article on the same thing</a>.))</p>And other networks follow suit.
((Another article on the same thing.))Disenchanter (alias of Don Northness)2010-06-10T17:18:44ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#472010-06-05T15:08:02Z2010-06-05T15:08:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastian wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Also, I have it on good authority that Jobs is not mortal, so I have to dispute that claim. </blockquote><p>Unfortunately I've seen the man in his last few public appearances.. He's been through a life-threathening medical crisis for the last couple of years and it's left his mark. He's gaunt, and he now longer has the energy he used to have in his keynotes and his public appearances. I get the distinct impression that he's spent physically, not as much mentally though. I think he'll hang around long enough to refine the iPad over the next couple of years but after that I think the curtain goes down for the last time on the Jobs eras.Sebastian wrote:Also, I have it on good authority that Jobs is not mortal, so I have to dispute that claim.
Unfortunately I've seen the man in his last few public appearances.. He's been through a life-threathening medical crisis for the last couple of years and it's left his mark. He's gaunt, and he now longer has the energy he used to have in his keynotes and his public appearances. I get the distinct impression that he's spent physically, not as much mentally though. I think he'll hang...LazarX2010-06-05T15:08:02ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#462010-06-05T07:03:18Z2010-06-05T07:02:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Andrew Turner wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Oh, as for the original topic. I actually am looking forward to the new pricing plan. For the short term (I.E. 2-3 years) it will decrease my expenditure. I checked my 2 year iPhone history and the most I've ever used in a month is about 500 mb, most average below 200 mb.</p>
<p>If I owned an iPad though, I'd want more. Thankfully most use of an iPad will be in wifi areas anyways, so that should alleviate the problem. </blockquote>I just passed the one-month mark and my total 3G iPad use was 45MB used, 205MB remaining and today's my last day. Unfortunately, no rollover. </blockquote><p>I jut passed the 6 day mark and I am over 3G un usage. Granted a big part of that is because of downloading my entire Paizo PDF collection from MoblieMe and currently iPad is the only Internet I have at home until it is installed tomorrow. Most likely I will average under 2g a month...Andrew Turner wrote:Alizor wrote:Oh, as for the original topic. I actually am looking forward to the new pricing plan. For the short term (I.E. 2-3 years) it will decrease my expenditure. I checked my 2 year iPhone history and the most I've ever used in a month is about 500 mb, most average below 200 mb.
If I owned an iPad though, I'd want more. Thankfully most use of an iPad will be in wifi areas anyways, so that should alleviate the problem.
I just passed the one-month mark and my total...Dragnmoon2010-06-05T07:02:17ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planDisenchanter (alias of Don Northness)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#452010-06-05T01:42:49Z2010-06-05T01:42:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">LazarX wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Btw, when I say Android, I'm not differentiating the product from the OS. To the end user, it's all one package. So when I say Android (or I think when alot of people say it) they mean the Android "family" of products. I've looked at some of the products, they aren't that amazing and just seem clunkly when compared to my iPhone.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>You get two computers running Windows 7 Ultimate. One is a cheap jack pile of components slapped together by Joe the Computer shop. Another is the latest thing from the Dell Alienware line of gaming laptops.
<p>Technically they're both running the same Operating System, but I'm sure you'll agree that they are far from the same product.</blockquote><p>Did you get burned by a "Joe the Computer shop?" Or do you just not know anyone that can really assemble computers?
<p>I can tell you that I can assemble a desktop for Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit for under $1000 that would compare favorably with one of the $5000 Alienware gaming computers.</p>
<p>No, it won't be the same. But, for the most part, most people won't even know the difference unless they look at the case.</p>
<p>Now, with specific benchmark tests - or specific programs, there can be an obvious difference.</p>
<p>For the most part, Apple products are overpriced for their components. Their "closed architecture" does do one thing: makes them certain of how things will interact with their devices. This is both good and bad. But this really isn't the thread for that.</p>LazarX wrote:Alizor wrote:Btw, when I say Android, I'm not differentiating the product from the OS. To the end user, it's all one package. So when I say Android (or I think when alot of people say it) they mean the Android "family" of products. I've looked at some of the products, they aren't that amazing and just seem clunkly when compared to my iPhone.
You get two computers running Windows 7 Ultimate. One is a cheap jack pile of components slapped together by Joe the Computer shop. Another...Disenchanter (alias of Don Northness)2010-06-05T01:42:49ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#442010-06-04T18:54:31Z2010-06-04T18:54:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Btw, when I say Android, I'm not differentiating the product from the OS. To the end user, it's all one package. So when I say Android (or I think when alot of people say it) they mean the Android "family" of products. I've looked at some of the products, they aren't that amazing and just seem clunkly when compared to my iPhone.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>You get two computers running Windows 7 Ultimate. One is a cheap jack pile of components slapped together by Joe the Computer shop. Another is the latest thing from the Dell Alienware line of gaming laptops.
<p>Technically they're both running the same Operating System, but I'm sure you'll agree that they are far from the same product.</p>
<p>Apple doesn't really have much interest in software... save to sell it's hardware. And to sell the hardware they'll make sure that if they don't make the software themselves, they'll buy the best they can get. iTunes is a classic example. The Apple folks were wowed by an application originally known as SoundJam. They bought the tech and it became the core of what would eventually be known as iTunes.</p>
<p>It's a matter of what you're willing to bear, what you're willing to commit, and what you're willing to risk. If you're going to take Apple on, you simply need to be serious about making a real competing product.</p>
<p>Apple does have serious competition. But it does a good job at raising the standards that they need to compete against. And that's a good thing for both Apple's customers... and the customers of it's competition.</p>Alizor wrote:Btw, when I say Android, I'm not differentiating the product from the OS. To the end user, it's all one package. So when I say Android (or I think when alot of people say it) they mean the Android "family" of products. I've looked at some of the products, they aren't that amazing and just seem clunkly when compared to my iPhone.
You get two computers running Windows 7 Ultimate. One is a cheap jack pile of components slapped together by Joe the Computer shop. Another is the...LazarX2010-06-04T18:54:31ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planDisenchanter (alias of Don Northness)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#432010-06-04T17:53:20Z2010-06-04T17:53:20Z<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/att-tiered-data/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Wired's poll results plus other sources</a> suggest the new plan isn't going to hurt too many people. (Those that use over 2GB per month, can stick with the current plan.)</p>Wired's poll results plus other sources suggest the new plan isn't going to hurt too many people. (Those that use over 2GB per month, can stick with the current plan.)Disenchanter (alias of Don Northness)2010-06-04T17:53:20ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planAlizorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#422010-06-04T16:53:14Z2010-06-04T16:53:14Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">LazarX wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Android isn't a competitor to the iPhone, but the OS the iPhone runs on. The iPhone however is not just the software it's also the hardware package. So you need to ask... what Hardware/Android competitor stacks up against the iPhone/iPhoneOS combo?</p>
<p>As to the first part of your question.. that's not hard. Apple did not simply put up a list of off the shelf components and jam them into a spiffy looking case. It took years, a heck of a lot of manhours (80+hours a week isn't uncommon for Apple techs during design peaks), and a good deal of expense and resources to come up that problem.</p>
<p><b>You can't outdesign Apple on the cheap.</b> The eMacs people tried to do that with the original iMac. I saw on on a PCExpo in Javits, NYC. If you can't even get the presenter motivated by the product he was showing... what does that tell you? </blockquote><p>Btw, when I say Android, I'm not differentiating the product from the OS. To the end user, it's all one package. So when I say Android (or I think when alot of people say it) they mean the Android "family" of products. I've looked at some of the products, they aren't that amazing and just seem clunkly when compared to my iPhone.
<p>As for the quality question... I know it takes alot of work, but I know that some of these other companies have good workers as well. It just seems like too many <b>are</b> taking the "cheap" approach and I just don't understand why no one else can make a good quality product.a</p>LazarX wrote:Android isn't a competitor to the iPhone, but the OS the iPhone runs on. The iPhone however is not just the software it's also the hardware package. So you need to ask... what Hardware/Android competitor stacks up against the iPhone/iPhoneOS combo?
As to the first part of your question.. that's not hard. Apple did not simply put up a list of off the shelf components and jam them into a spiffy looking case. It took years, a heck of a lot of manhours (80+hours a week isn't...Alizor2010-06-04T16:53:14ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#412010-06-03T22:57:10Z2010-06-03T22:57:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Sebastian is completely right though. I just don't understand why no one else has been able to make a comparable product recently. In fact, I'm completely amazed that the closest competitor to the iPhone is android, and to be honest, I don't think it's that close yet (getting there, but not close yet).</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Android isn't a competitor to the iPhone, but the OS the iPhone runs on. The iPhone however is not just the software it's also the hardware package. So you need to ask... what Hardware/Android competitor stacks up against the iPhone/iPhoneOS combo?
<p>As to the first part of your question.. that's not hard. Apple did not simply put up a list of off the shelf components and jam them into a spiffy looking case. It took years, a heck of a lot of manhours (80+hours a week isn't uncommon for Apple techs during design peaks), and a good deal of expense and resources to come up that problem.</p>
<p><b>You can't outdesign Apple on the cheap.</b> The eMacs people tried to do that with the original iMac. I saw on on a PCExpo in Javits, NYC. If you can't even get the presenter motivated by the product he was showing... what does that tell you?</p>Alizor wrote:Sebastian is completely right though. I just don't understand why no one else has been able to make a comparable product recently. In fact, I'm completely amazed that the closest competitor to the iPhone is android, and to be honest, I don't think it's that close yet (getting there, but not close yet).
Android isn't a competitor to the iPhone, but the OS the iPhone runs on. The iPhone however is not just the software it's also the hardware package. So you need to ask... what...LazarX2010-06-03T22:57:10ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planAndrew Turnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#402010-06-03T20:14:18Z2010-06-03T20:14:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Oh, as for the original topic. I actually am looking forward to the new pricing plan. For the short term (I.E. 2-3 years) it will decrease my expenditure. I checked my 2 year iPhone history and the most I've ever used in a month is about 500 mb, most average below 200 mb.</p>
<p>If I owned an iPad though, I'd want more. Thankfully most use of an iPad will be in wifi areas anyways, so that should alleviate the problem. </blockquote><p>I just passed the one-month mark and my total 3G iPad use was 45MB used, 205MB remaining and today's my last day. Unfortunately, no rollover.Alizor wrote:Oh, as for the original topic. I actually am looking forward to the new pricing plan. For the short term (I.E. 2-3 years) it will decrease my expenditure. I checked my 2 year iPhone history and the most I've ever used in a month is about 500 mb, most average below 200 mb.
If I owned an iPad though, I'd want more. Thankfully most use of an iPad will be in wifi areas anyways, so that should alleviate the problem.
I just passed the one-month mark and my total 3G iPad use was 45MB...Andrew Turner2010-06-03T20:14:17ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planAlizorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#392010-06-03T19:19:48Z2010-06-03T19:19:48Z<p>Oh, as for the original topic. I actually am looking forward to the new pricing plan. For the short term (I.E. 2-3 years) it will decrease my expenditure. I checked my 2 year iPhone history and the most I've ever used in a month is about 500 mb, most average below 200 mb.</p>
<p>If I owned an iPad though, I'd want more. Thankfully most use of an iPad will be in wifi areas anyways, so that should alleviate the problem.</p>Oh, as for the original topic. I actually am looking forward to the new pricing plan. For the short term (I.E. 2-3 years) it will decrease my expenditure. I checked my 2 year iPhone history and the most I've ever used in a month is about 500 mb, most average below 200 mb.
If I owned an iPad though, I'd want more. Thankfully most use of an iPad will be in wifi areas anyways, so that should alleviate the problem.Alizor2010-06-03T19:19:48ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planAlizorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#382010-06-03T19:16:25Z2010-06-03T19:16:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Marc Radle wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Wow, there is some pretty strong and downright bizzare anti Apple feeling here.</p>
<p>I just don't get it ... I'm sorry, but I really don't ... </blockquote><p>I don't agree with it, but I get where it's coming from. There is a very large tech savvy feeling that opennes is akin to godliness. While I agree that openness is nice, as a consumer I just want a product that works great for me. If a part of the entire package is not being able to tweak every single portion of the product or not get an app approved that I wanted, oh well. It's all a part of the package.
<p>Sebastian is completely right though. I just don't understand why no one else has been able to make a comparable product recently. In fact, I'm completely amazed that the closest competitor to the iPhone is android, and to be honest, I don't think it's that close yet (getting there, but not close yet).</p>
<p>It's the same deal with the mac computers. I don't care that I don't have the choice, or that it's a little more expensive. I'm perfectly happy with my computer and it does everything I want to. I'll just say that my last four work computers have all been bad, although the current is "acceptable"... so long as you can get past the 3-4 random blue screens I've gotten in the 3 months I've worked here. Mind you, I can't install anything so it isn't user customization that's the problem.</p>Marc Radle wrote:Wow, there is some pretty strong and downright bizzare anti Apple feeling here.
I just don't get it ... I'm sorry, but I really don't ...
I don't agree with it, but I get where it's coming from. There is a very large tech savvy feeling that opennes is akin to godliness. While I agree that openness is nice, as a consumer I just want a product that works great for me. If a part of the entire package is not being able to tweak every single portion of the product or not get an...Alizor2010-06-03T19:16:24ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planMarc Radlehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#372010-06-03T17:50:20Z2010-06-03T17:49:56Z<p>Wow, there is some pretty strong and downright bizzare anti Apple feeling here.</p>
<p>I just don't get it ... I'm sorry, but I really don't ...</p>Wow, there is some pretty strong and downright bizzare anti Apple feeling here.
I just don't get it ... I'm sorry, but I really don't ...Marc Radle2010-06-03T17:49:56ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planSebastian (<i>Bella Sara</i> Charter Superscriber)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#362010-06-03T17:04:34Z2010-06-03T17:04:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brutal Ben wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastian wrote:</div><blockquote>Because there's no way on earth or in heaven, barring extreme changes to IP laws or a government imposed monopoly, that the computer revolution will just grind to a halt.</blockquote><p>What makes you think they wouldn't try. All they have to do is claim that it is to help control the traffic of child porn. Don't underestimate how a moral panic can be used to manipulate the government. Thats the reason why marijuana is still illegal even though its safer than all the pain killers and mood elevators that are prescribed every day.
<p>Once software control becomes the majority, they will try to snuff out the rest one way or another. </blockquote><p>Uh...yeah...I'd be more worried about the totalitarian regime/gross stupidity of the people in your dystopic future than not having the latest and greatest gadget.
<p>Seriously, how much is this guarantee for? I'm in for $10k if you mean it.</p>Brutal Ben wrote:Sebastian wrote:Because there's no way on earth or in heaven, barring extreme changes to IP laws or a government imposed monopoly, that the computer revolution will just grind to a halt.
What makes you think they wouldn't try. All they have to do is claim that it is to help control the traffic of child porn. Don't underestimate how a moral panic can be used to manipulate the government. Thats the reason why marijuana is still illegal even though its safer than all the pain...Sebastian (<i>Bella Sara</i> Charter Superscriber)2010-06-03T17:04:34ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#352010-06-03T10:45:44Z2010-06-03T10:39:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brutal Ben wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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This is not a change to the system. What Apple is doing is locking you out from choosing who you want to purchase your software from. They also have the ability to remotely remove software, or even lock down your iPhone.</p>
<p>And yes the other companies are starting to do that now. Apple has set a nasty precedent in that the hardware manufactures control where you purchase the software, and what software you are allowed to purchase.</p>
<p>And now Microsoft is playing the game now since Apple is doing it already, and Apple is the monopoly. Now its okay for Microsoft to do the same thing.</p>
<p>I guarantee everyone, that if this goes through the computer revolution will come to a complete end. Ironically the manufactures will end up making less money in the long run on it too, but short sighted greed always guarantees that this will be the case. </blockquote><p>1. the ability of remote lockdown is a NECCESSARY one. One that Apple will provide to Enterprise deployments so that lost smartphones and iPads can be remote wiped of sensitive information, or just your personal information so that it doesn't get kept by someone else. I personally like the idea that if my iPad gets swiped on the subway, I can call Apple support and tell them to push the "red button" on my unit if it's an iPhone.
<p>2. On the so 'called computer revolution" oh give me a break. If Microsoft with it's decades of monopoly, it's control of 99+ percent of all PCs on the planet could not end the tide of computer revolution, Apple has no chance of doing so. Apple hasn't seized an existing market, it's merely created a new one, like it did with the Apple 2. And there is no indication that it's hold on this new market will last any longer than it's hold on the original PC market... (which is still 95 percent plus Windows btw) There is absolutely nothing preventing anyone else from creating new niches.... save the lack of imagination that Microsoft displayed in creating the Zune.</p>
<p>3. The challengers to Apple's hegemony are already in place. Microsoft isn't going to just lie down and die... and even more significantly... Google is just beginning to flex it's muscle. And the big media companies are desparately waiting for a new contender... because they'll never be content to have Apple call the shots forever.</p>
<p>Effectively while Apple will not hold to it's current domminance... It will have one lasting effect. It's raised the bar required to contest with it... and ultimately the consumer benefits.</p>Brutal Ben wrote:This is not a change to the system. What Apple is doing is locking you out from choosing who you want to purchase your software from. They also have the ability to remotely remove software, or even lock down your iPhone.And yes the other companies are starting to do that now. Apple has set a nasty precedent in that the hardware manufactures control where you purchase the software, and what software you are allowed to purchase.
And now Microsoft is playing the game now since...LazarX2010-06-03T10:39:20ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planBrutal Benhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#342010-06-03T04:44:19Z2010-06-03T04:44:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastian wrote:</div><blockquote>Because there's no way on earth or in heaven, barring extreme changes to IP laws or a government imposed monopoly, that the computer revolution will just grind to a halt.</blockquote><p>What makes you think they wouldn't try. All they have to do is claim that it is to help control the traffic of child porn. Don't underestimate how a moral panic can be used to manipulate the government. Thats the reason why marijuana is still illegal even though its safer than all the pain killers and mood elevators that are prescribed every day.
<p>Once software control becomes the majority, they will try to snuff out the rest one way or another.</p>Sebastian wrote:Because there's no way on earth or in heaven, barring extreme changes to IP laws or a government imposed monopoly, that the computer revolution will just grind to a halt.
What makes you think they wouldn't try. All they have to do is claim that it is to help control the traffic of child porn. Don't underestimate how a moral panic can be used to manipulate the government. Thats the reason why marijuana is still illegal even though its safer than all the pain killers and mood...Brutal Ben2010-06-03T04:44:19ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planDisenchanter (alias of Don Northness)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#332010-06-03T00:38:26Z2010-06-03T00:38:02Z<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/02/att_to_eliminate_unlimited_data_plans/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Registers' article on the subject</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/att-poll-data/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A Wired poll for those interested</a>.</p>The Registers' article on the subject:
A Wired poll for those interested.Disenchanter (alias of Don Northness)2010-06-03T00:38:02ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planSebastian (<i>Bella Sara</i> Charter Superscriber)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#322010-06-02T21:10:14Z2010-06-02T21:08:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brutal Ben wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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I guarantee everyone, that if this goes through the computer revolution will come to a complete end. Ironically the manufactures will end up making less money in the long run on it too, but short sighted greed always guarantees that this will be the case. </blockquote><p>Where can I collect on the guarantee once you're proven wrong? Because there's no way on earth or in heaven, barring extreme changes to IP laws or a government imposed monopoly, that the computer revolution will just grind to a halt. If it really gets that bad, someone will come out with a magical open source device that s#•~s ice cream and smells like fresh baked cookies to knock down all those evil, evil, oh so evil closed devices (which are also evil).
<p>I get that you hate the Apple. But that's no excuse for intellectual laziness. Other companies do exist and will compete. There isn't going to be some entropic end to technological development because Apple is (momentarily) popular.</p>
<p>Short sightedness isn't limited to greed...</p>Brutal Ben wrote:I guarantee everyone, that if this goes through the computer revolution will come to a complete end. Ironically the manufactures will end up making less money in the long run on it too, but short sighted greed always guarantees that this will be the case.
Where can I collect on the guarantee once you're proven wrong? Because there's no way on earth or in heaven, barring extreme changes to IP laws or a government imposed monopoly, that the computer revolution will just grind...Sebastian (<i>Bella Sara</i> Charter Superscriber)2010-06-02T21:08:42ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planBrutal Benhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#312010-06-02T21:07:10Z2010-06-02T21:05:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">LazarX wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Brutal Ben wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>If Apple does change the landscape, we're going to be stuck with closed hardware, and monopolistic "software stores" that control what we can and can't do with our own computers.</p>
<p>Apple be damned. And to think I once felt sorry for them, and was rooting for the iMac and iPod 10 years ago.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Actually it's more likely since Jobs won't license his software, that we'll see somewhat of a repition of what happened with the Mac. All it will take is for someone to actually achieve a comparable quality product with the same ease of use. Once someone comes out with a product that does what the iPad does... and does it cheaper then the landscape will change.
<p>Apple led the charge in freeing us from floppy disks, in making Firewire than 2 generations of USB standard equipment on desktops. Right now the iPad seems to be a monopoly because no one has ever made a device like this before...</blockquote><p>This is not a change to the system. What Apple is doing is locking you out from choosing who you want to purchase your software from. They also have the ability to remotely remove software, or even lock down your iPhone.
<p>And yes the other companies are starting to do that now. Apple has set a nasty precedent in that the hardware manufactures control where you purchase the software, and what software you are allowed to purchase.</p>
<p>And now Microsoft is playing the game now since Apple is doing it already, and Apple is the monopoly. Now its okay for Microsoft to do the same thing.</p>
<p>I guarantee everyone, that if this goes through the computer revolution will come to a complete end. Ironically the manufactures will end up making less money in the long run on it too, but short sighted greed always guarantees that this will be the case.</p>LazarX wrote:Brutal Ben wrote:If Apple does change the landscape, we're going to be stuck with closed hardware, and monopolistic "software stores" that control what we can and can't do with our own computers.
Apple be damned. And to think I once felt sorry for them, and was rooting for the iMac and iPod 10 years ago.
Actually it's more likely since Jobs won't license his software, that we'll see somewhat of a repition of what happened with the Mac. All it will take is for someone to...Brutal Ben2010-06-02T21:05:25ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planAustin Morganhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#302010-06-02T20:45:02Z2010-06-02T20:45:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastian wrote:</div><blockquote>My Favored Brand is better than Your Favored Brand. </blockquote><p>NO! MINE IS!
<p>•pouts in the corner•</p>Sebastian wrote:My Favored Brand is better than Your Favored Brand.
NO! MINE IS! *pouts in the corner*Austin Morgan2010-06-02T20:45:02ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planDisenchanter (alias of Don Northness)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#292010-06-02T20:33:51Z2010-06-02T20:33:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Andrew Turner wrote:</div><blockquote> Disenchanter, do you still run a version of Linux, or have I mixed you up with another Paizonian?</blockquote><p>You haven't confused me with someone else.
<p>My primary OS is Ubuntu 10.04 currently. And I do dabble in other OSs from time to time. Except for Mac OSs. Nothing personal against them, I just do not feel like spending the money on additional hardware. (I was considering making one of the "Hackintoshes" until Apple cracked down hard on the vendors that sold the hardware boot loader.)</p>Andrew Turner wrote:Disenchanter, do you still run a version of Linux, or have I mixed you up with another Paizonian?
You haven't confused me with someone else. My primary OS is Ubuntu 10.04 currently. And I do dabble in other OSs from time to time. Except for Mac OSs. Nothing personal against them, I just do not feel like spending the money on additional hardware. (I was considering making one of the "Hackintoshes" until Apple cracked down hard on the vendors that sold the hardware boot...Disenchanter (alias of Don Northness)2010-06-02T20:33:50ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planSebastian (<i>Bella Sara</i> Charter Superscriber)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#282011-01-07T23:11:05Z2010-06-02T20:02:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">LazarX wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Let's give some credit to Steve Jobs. What he has is a vision.. one that's not locked into a pre-existing box. And he's persistent.. noncompromising in that vision. He didn't just say... oh... lets make an Apple Netbook, or.... lets enlarge the smartphone. Remember how radical the first iMac seemed to the general technorati... how it was an approach that "would never last?" Remember when Michael Dell who told Jobs to simply close up shop?</p>
<p>However... like the rest of us Steve Jobs is mortal and he's clearly in his twilight years. The iPad is his final work... his magnum opus. It's questionable whether Apple will be able to retain the competitive gestalt once he passes on. </blockquote><p>I don't begrudge Jobs the iPod, I'm just saying that everyone knew there was an opportunity for such a device, but Apple was the one that stuck the landing the best. It's not like he somehow cheated the iPod into existence or crammed it into the market using a huge hoard of cash (•cough• Xbox •cough•).
<p>People also seem to forgot how stupid and unsuccessful so many Apple products have been. They swing for the fences at Apple, and part of swinging for the fences is making big mistakes (Apple TV, the Newton). </p>
<p>Also, I have it on good authority that Jobs is not mortal, so I have to dispute that claim.</p>LazarX wrote:Let's give some credit to Steve Jobs. What he has is a vision.. one that's not locked into a pre-existing box. And he's persistent.. noncompromising in that vision. He didn't just say... oh... lets make an Apple Netbook, or.... lets enlarge the smartphone. Remember how radical the first iMac seemed to the general technorati... how it was an approach that "would never last?" Remember when Michael Dell who told Jobs to simply close up shop?However... like the rest of us Steve Jobs...Sebastian (<i>Bella Sara</i> Charter Superscriber)2010-06-02T20:02:13ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planAndrew Turnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#272010-06-02T20:01:01Z2010-06-02T20:01:01Z<p>Disenchanter, do you still run a version of Linux, or have I mixed you up with another Paizonian?</p>Disenchanter, do you still run a version of Linux, or have I mixed you up with another Paizonian?Andrew Turner2010-06-02T20:01:01ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#262010-06-02T20:00:57Z2010-06-02T20:00:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Disenchanter wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Then Windows 98 took away the DOS underlay, removing several much used commands...</p>
<p></blockquote><p>The DOS underlay you so fondly cherish was also a fatal limitation.. it meant that your total operating system was confined to what would be possible with 8 bit hardware.
<p>Have you looked at the structure of OS X? It's got a solid BSD UNIX core. with the bulk of the unix command tricks available to you.</p>
<p>If your really want to, you could even run Xwindows eiteher side by siide or in full screen mode and run whatever window managing system you desire.</p>Disenchanter wrote:Then Windows 98 took away the DOS underlay, removing several much used commands...
The DOS underlay you so fondly cherish was also a fatal limitation.. it meant that your total operating system was confined to what would be possible with 8 bit hardware. Have you looked at the structure of OS X? It's got a solid BSD UNIX core. with the bulk of the unix command tricks available to you.
If your really want to, you could even run Xwindows eiteher side by siide or in full...LazarX2010-06-02T20:00:56ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#252010-06-02T19:56:27Z2010-06-02T19:56:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastian wrote:</div><blockquote><p> There's no reason Apple should've been the one to succeed. And then the iPhone? The iPad?</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Let's give some credit to Steve Jobs. What he has is a vision.. one that's not locked into a pre-existing box. And he's persistent.. noncompromising in that vision. He didn't just say... oh... lets make an Apple Netbook, or.... lets enlarge the smartphone. Remember how radical the first iMac seemed to the general technorati... how it was an approach that "would never last?" Remember when Michael Dell who told Jobs to simply close up shop?
<p>However... like the rest of us Steve Jobs is mortal and he's clearly in his twilight years. The iPad is his final work... his magnum opus. It's questionable whether Apple will be able to retain the competitive gestalt once he passes on.</p>Sebastian wrote:There's no reason Apple should've been the one to succeed. And then the iPhone? The iPad?
Let's give some credit to Steve Jobs. What he has is a vision.. one that's not locked into a pre-existing box. And he's persistent.. noncompromising in that vision. He didn't just say... oh... lets make an Apple Netbook, or.... lets enlarge the smartphone. Remember how radical the first iMac seemed to the general technorati... how it was an approach that "would never last?" Remember when...LazarX2010-06-02T19:56:27ZRe: Forums: Technology: AT&T to change their unlimited iPad planLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kvm6?ATT-to-change-their-unlimited-iPad-plan#242011-01-07T23:11:05Z2010-06-02T19:52:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brutal Ben wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>If Apple does change the landscape, we're going to be stuck with closed hardware, and monopolistic "software stores" that control what we can and can't do with our own computers.</p>
<p>Apple be damned. And to think I once felt sorry for them, and was rooting for the iMac and iPod 10 years ago.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Actually it's more likely since Jobs won't license his software, that we'll see somewhat of a repition of what happened with the Mac. All it will take is for someone to actually achieve a comparable quality product with the same ease of use. Once someone comes out with a product that does what the iPad does... and does it cheaper then the landscape will change.
<p>Apple led the charge in freeing us from floppy disks, in making Firewire than 2 generations of USB standard equipment on desktops. Right now the iPad seems to be a monopoly because no one has ever made a device like this before... It's not a scrunched notepad or an enlarged smartphone. So given that this is an innovative device, it's somewhat petty to begrudge the fact that they are king of this hill that they made.</p>
<p>But then again, the last time they had a position like this was with the Apple 2. At one time we thought that no one would ever make the slightest dent in the dominance of Internet Explorer.</p>
<p>The moral: things change... and in the tech world dominance isn't forever.</p>Brutal Ben wrote:If Apple does change the landscape, we're going to be stuck with closed hardware, and monopolistic "software stores" that control what we can and can't do with our own computers.
Apple be damned. And to think I once felt sorry for them, and was rooting for the iMac and iPod 10 years ago.
Actually it's more likely since Jobs won't license his software, that we'll see somewhat of a repition of what happened with the Mac. All it will take is for someone to actually achieve a...LazarX2010-06-02T19:52:01Z