What do you do when the GM [makes a mistake]?


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teribithia9 wrote:
0gre wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
The d20 PFSRD is an unoffical, fan-run site that also contains the core rules for the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. However, it also contains Open Game Content from other Paizo Sources, fan conversions, and unofficial errata (usually sourced from messageboard posts by Paizo staff members).

Incidentally we just ran into a case where the rules on the d20 site diverge significantly from the PRD. The Summon Monster spells on the d20pfsrd site show the normal dog as the first level summons but the PRD site shows a riding dog. For PFS the riding dog is (at least currently) the correct summons.

FWIW I use the d20pfsrd version with the normal dog for my home game but stick with the PRD version for PFS.

Actually, no, the regular dog is the correct one for use with PFS. Joshua said to use the errata that James Jacobs posted somewhere on the message boards for PFS which says to make these changes:

12/21/09) Official Errata for Summon Monster Spell. The majority of these errors, I suspect, came from miscommunication between what was and wasn't changing with these animals in the switchover between the 3.5 Monster Manual and the Pathfinder Bestiary.[Source]
Change Giant Lizard to Monitor Lizard. (The lists don't support summoning a Giant Frilled Lizard, but you could probably add them to summon monster V or summon nature's ally V.)
Change Riding Dog to Dog.
Change Ant, drone to Ant, worker.
Change Ant, soldier to Ant, giant.

Thanks for clearing that up. (my wife won't be happy)

I'd seen James' post and knew why it was changed on the d20 site and I'm good with that... but that muddies the water a bit. Hopefully the new errata for the core book will be released soon so this is all in sync.

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Link to above mentioned post by Josh for reference.

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Thanks for clearing that up. (my wife won't be happy)

I'd seen James' post and knew why it was changed on the d20 site and I'm good with that... but that muddies the water a bit. Hopefully the new errata for the core book will be released soon so this is all in sync.

Well, they updated the core rulebook on 5/26 and changed the ants but left the riding dog in as a first level summon instead of the dog, so I guess we get our riding dog back, since that's the latest version of the errata?


Yep, that is the latest edition of the errata. I did not even know it had been available for a week now, since I never saw any kind of announcement here in the forums. And just a side rant, we waited all this time for new errata and the update is a whole two pages long? With the way people have posted in other threads, I was expecting an errata document in the 8-10 page range.

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Joshua J. Frost wrote:

Wow.

I figured I'd have some major issues to fix/clarify/correct when I got back, but this just takes the cake. Here we go:

1. Cheating is a ridiculous word in this context. The GM did NOT cheat. In fact, I'm removing the word "cheat" from the thread title. THAT's how ridiculous I think it's usage here is.

2. The GM made a simple mistake based on me not adding the language from the boards clarifying the conversion issue to the 2.2 update. I have notes added to my 2.3 draft right now that say to include this information. I'll clarify again here: please don't ad hoc your conversions. Just use the free info Vic linked to above and use the 3.5 monsters. There's a reason I'm retiring or converting all Season 0 scenarios--but it's going to take time.

3. Even though the GM made a simple mistake, it's still entirely possible for a low hit point squishy wizard to get killed pretty much all the time. I play wizards almost exclusively in PRPG and I've lost a fair share of them. It's part of being a squishy character. Live with it.

4. I can certainly appreciated feeling a bit heated after character death. Yeah, you might feel an overwhelming wave of anger and sadness at the loss of something you've put so much time into. But after you feel those emotions, take a deep breath (I mean a REALLY deep breath, maybe count back from 10) and then remember that this is a GAME. GAMES ARE FUN. You died. So what? Make another character and have fun!

5. In addition to #4, there's this: everyone at the table wanted to help raise your character and get on with adventuring! Why did you bail the table when you died? You could be raised by the table (even before the next encounter!) and you could've possibly finished playing the scenario or at least had some resolution to your PC's death before the group wrapped up play. Next time: remember it's a game, don't run away when you die, and wait to see what the table will do to help you.

6. Lastly, the GM controls his/her table. I will not override decisions at the table...

Wow, came here to play Pathfinder, and got a life lesson. Very well said. I think I am going to like this community.

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Joshua J. Frost wrote:

6. Lastly, the GM controls his/her table. I will not override decisions at the table unless I feel they're gross abuses of rules or actions done with malice. Nothing of the kind has happened here. However the GM wishes to handle this within the Society rules is his choice.

But will you oveeride the Umpire if he made a bad call?


If I were Bud Selig, I would've overrode that call in a heartbeat. It's ridiculous that a young pitcher missed his chance at history because of a stupid, blown call. Baseball needs instant replay. You know, to make it slower.


Joshua J. Frost wrote:
If I were Bud Selig, I would've overrode that call in a heartbeat. It's ridiculous that a young pitcher missed his chance at history because of a stupid, blown call. Baseball needs instant replay. You know, to make it slower.

baseball games need to be at least 4 hours long so i can drink some more 8 dollar beers and listen to my kid yell for more cotton candy. no one should be allowed out of the park until they have spent at least 200 dollars. this reminds me of the movie brewster's million, or whatever it was called, brewster should of went to a ballgame. money gone in one day.


We are side-tracking here, but so what. LoL

That play would have been the final out of the game, so it really should have been changed. If it had happened in the 2nd or 3rd inning, however, and ended up costing someone a no-hitter or perfect game, then that is a much tougher decision.

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You guys aren't looking at the other side though. What about the batter? He just got a hit, if you take that away his average will go down. He may miss out on a bonus because he's one point shy of a good batting average. :)


Bonus =/= making history. :-)

3/5

It wasn't a perfect game. The ump made an error.

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Joshua J. Frost wrote:
Bonus =/= making history. :-)

That was tongue-in-cheek.

But, he did make history. He will forever be known as the man who pitched a perfect game without getting credit for it.

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I think the true lesson to learn from that (and apply to PFS) is Sportsmanship. Both the Umpire and the player showed impressive grace and decorum.

And I think the call needs to stand. Was it a bad call? Yeah. Umps are human, things happen. Think of the hatred tennis players show for the cyclops if you want to put machines in there. But the call was made, w/o malice, and should stand.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
Andrew Phillips wrote:
What other PFS scenario's have an appearance by Grand Master Torch?
The Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch and Delirium's Tangle.

Has he appeared in any more since these two?

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Justin Sluder wrote:

The Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch and Delirium's Tangle.

Has he appeared in any more since these two?

Necro Much?... And yes .

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Andrew Phillips wrote:
Ok so you are saying I should read every single message board post before GMing for Pathfinder Society Organized

No. Just don't use the season zero scenarios. For one thing they're not Pathfinder modules they're pre-launch 3.5 modules. Season one and later modules also don't have the problem of not having stats included they have everything you need to run within the pages of the module itself.

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LazarX wrote:
NECROSTUFF

You are replying to a year dead thread. Justin should be flogged for reanimating this stinky corpse.

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