What happens to creatures summoned from Summoning Spells after they are killed? Do they disappear or do they stay where they lay?
What happens to creatures summoned from Summoning Spells after they are killed? Do they disappear or do they stay where they lay?
If they are killed, they are banished back to where they came, and vanish. If you are playing with the rules for special summons, that particular creature cannot be resummoned for 30 days.
Summoning: A summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower, but it is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can't be summoned again.
When the spell that summoned a creature ends and the creature disappears, all the spells it has cast expire. A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have.
"24 hours for the creature to reform , during which time it cant be summoned again."
So wait a sec, this means that at say, 1st level, you can only summon a dog once per day, and if you cast Summon Monster 1 again, it has to be a different creature?
"24 hours for the creature to reform , during which time it cant be summoned again."
So wait a sec, this means that at say, 1st level, you can only summon a dog once per day, and if you cast Summon Monster 1 again, it has to be a different creature?
That creature cannot be summoned again. That doesn't mean you couldn't summon a different celestial dog.
There are rules for summoning named creatures. Instead of summoning a celestial dog, I summon Fido, the celestial dog. If Fido dies he cannot be summoned for 24 hours.
The 30 days is another game system.
Considering I can cast summon monster 5 times and have as many as 25 dogs, I don't think there is anything preventing me from summoning "different" dogs when the first batch "dies."
One of the 3.5 books had rules for naming summoned creatures. It was a great rule for characters who focused on summons. They were summoning creatures they knew by name and could work with the DM to customize their summoned creatures a bit. The downside was that if your summoned creatures were slain your summoning was limited for a while.
In 3.5 (core or an expansion book, I forget which) there were options to summon a specific creature. If you could also call the creature, then you could give it items and, when you summoned it, it would appear with those items. If you summoned it and it died, you wouldn't be able to summon your improved version for another day.
Many of the monsters you can summon (in Pathfinder) are intelligent beings in their own right. People seem to forget this a lot.
If you summon the same sentient celestial to help you fight demons, then he will likely remember you, as well as events that transpired while he was summoned.
This is where the distinction is important. If my friend Joe, the celestial, is "killed" then I have to summon Ed, Fred, or Ted Celestial instead for the next 24 hours (and they likely aren't up to speed on things like Joe).
If you don't care to summon a specific being, then the rule doesn't really apply to you, as you are simply summoning "generics."
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Correct, if it's a specific creature then you can't summon it once it's disrupted for a bit. If your just using the traditional summon monster spells it usually doesn't come up. Dogs, lions, etc. Plenty of those.
And why are Dire Tigers are listed as uncommon in the old Monster Manual, rare in 2nd ed and very rare in 3.5. Because all you darn casters are sending them off to fight and getting them killed!
Druids gonna get ya!
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What happens to things eaten by the summoned creature? Do they disappear with the creature?
I had an NPC once summon a Large something (can't remember what!) but in the NPC's attempt to retrieve a book that belonged to him, he ordered the summoned creature to obtain it. So it did -- by swallowing it! Yet it didn't get to the NPC in time to return the book.
So where is the book now? ;)
And what happens when limbs from a summoned creature are hacked off in combat? Do they disappear as well?
What about limbs from an outsider? (When an outsider dies, it's body is destroyed. IIRC.)
What happens to things eaten by the summoned creature? Do they disappear with the creature?
I had an NPC once summon a Large something (can't remember what!) but in the NPC's attempt to retrieve a book that belonged to him, he ordered the summoned creature to obtain it. So it did -- by swallowing it! Yet it didn't get to the NPC in time to return the book.
So where is the book now? ;)
And what happens when limbs from a summoned creature are hacked off in combat? Do they disappear as well?
What about limbs from an outsider? (When an outsider dies, it's body is destroyed. IIRC.)
Summoned monsters have equipment that comes with them when they are summoned. Otherwise, something like a balor or marilith would appear naked and unarmed when summoned. Thus, the book became part of the monsters equipment, and dissappeared with the monster.
Hacked off limbs and such would dissappear when the creature dissappeared. That is more to prevent expoits than anything.
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What happens to things eaten by the summoned creature? Do they disappear with the creature?
When a summoned creature vanishes, the thing it ate doesn't go with it. That stuff drops to the ground wherever the summoned creature was when it vanished.
And what happens when limbs from a summoned creature are hacked off in combat? Do they disappear as well?
Hacked off limbs disappear when the summon effect ends (either at the creature's death, or when the spell duration ends).
What about limbs from an outsider? (When an outsider dies, it's body is destroyed. IIRC.)
A summoned outsider behaves like a summoned creature. Otherwise, an outsider's body doesn't normally do anything weird when it dies; it drops down and rots. Some outsiders (and some non-outsiders) have special abilities or effects when they die, but these are unusual cases that are mentioned in the monster's stat block.
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What happens to things eaten by the summoned creature? Do they disappear with the creature?When a summoned creature vanishes, the thing it ate doesn't go with it. That stuff drops to the ground wherever the summoned creature was when it vanished.
I thought about that. But food eaten by the creature would then reappear? What about, er, "bodily excretions"? I guess they disappear when the summoned creature does?
That was too much for me so I used the idea of "became the creature's gear".
My party was too low-level to go searching for the book they'd lost... Until about 5-6 levels later when the party wizard remembered about the book and talked the party into it. :)
Interestingly enough, if "become the creature's gear" is the ruling you prefer, consider some wild corner cases.
Thieves have stolen the crown jewels. They know king will stop at nothing to get them back, and while his army scowls the land, the rival empire they really work for will sneak across the sea and land an invading army. Now, where to hide these jewels that they cannot be found? Ah, I know, summon a fiend from an outer plane and make it eat the jewels, then send it home.
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What if you're fighting some deep aquatic battle when your enemy summons a Dire Shark and it bites your fighter and the swallows him whole. Naturally, the fighter begins to carve his way out, killing the shark which then vanishes, taking the fighter (who hasn't carved himself all the way out yet) back to the extraplanar ocean it came from?
Maybe stuff like this makes you think "Yikes! I better not implement this ruling!" Then again, maybe it makes you think "Sweet! There's some ideas for an adventure hook!"
Either way, there's more to this ruling that initially meets the eye.
Well, as to the second one, a creature cannot become someone else's gear.
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I thought about that. But food eaten by the creature would then reappear? What about, er, "bodily excretions"? I guess they disappear when the summoned creature does?
That was too much for me so I used the idea of "became the creature's gear".
My party was too low-level to go searching for the book they'd lost... Until about 5-6 levels later when the party wizard remembered about the book and talked the party into it. :)
Since summoned creatures are rarely around long enough to need to worry about digestion, I don't see this ever being much of a problem. If a summoned creature eats magic food, like a potion, it won't reappear when he vanishes, though. Same with his waste. Once you digest something, it's yours to keep, in other words.
"24 hours for the creature to reform , during which time it cant be summoned again."
So wait a sec, this means that at say, 1st level, you can only summon a dog once per day, and if you cast Summon Monster 1 again, it has to be a different creature?
That creature cannot be summoned again. That doesn't mean you couldn't summon a different celestial dog.
There are rules for summoning named creatures. Instead of summoning a celestial dog, I summon Fido, the celestial dog. If Fido dies he cannot be summoned for 24 hours.
The 30 days is another game system.
Where can I find theas rules?
Thanks Nefreet
Nice threadomancy
Anyway, you should check out Summon Guardian Spirit feat and Guardian Spirit template.
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