Why are half-celestials better than celestials?


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I've been going over the Summoning spells, collecting minis for everything summonable by the lists, and noticed that the basic animals summoned have the Celestial template - giving 'em Darkvision, a low-level DR, an okay SR, and smite evil 1/day. Then I checked the half-celestial template, and they get Darkvision, a slightly worse DR, a better SR, a FLYING SPEED, smite evil 1/day and a raft of spell-like abilities based on their HD. At the same CR modifier.

Any reason something with less Celestial blood is more awesome than an actual Celestial?

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Look at the Halfbreed's parents.

One of your Half-Celestial's parents is a Planetar-like or Astral Deva-like Celestial.

If half of your "blood" is from an Angel, you're gonna be cooler than a pure-"blooded" celestial dog.


Celestial template... is badly named, but getting a better is tricky. It's the counterpart to fiendish template, so it's more of a celestial-ish template. There is no Celestial template, any more than there's a Fiend template.

Just nod and smile and keep in mind a celestial creature isn't a Celestial.

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my search skills are lacking...where are the Pathfinder specs for Celestial/Fiendish?


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DitheringFool wrote:
my search skills are lacking...where are the Pathfinder specs for Celestial/Fiendish?

Pages 294 and 295 of the Beastiary. Appendix 2 in the Template section.


Hybrid vigor?

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Mistwalker wrote:
DitheringFool wrote:
my search skills are lacking...where are the Pathfinder specs for Celestial/Fiendish?
Pages 294 and 295 of the Beastiary. Appendix 2 in the Template section.

Thanks - it's hard to be thorough at work... Here is my take.

PRD wrote:

Creating a Half-Celestial

“Half-celestial” is an inherited or acquired template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature with an Intelligence score of 4 or more. A half-celestial creature retains the base creature's statistics and special abilities except as noted here.

(emphasis mine).

A celestial dog is still just a dog - it's celestial by origination, not because it is a higher being.

Sovereign Court

Interesting thoughts, guys. Thanks for them, they really do help.

I did miss the Half-Celestial requirement of Int 4+, which shoots down my vision for Flying Half-Celestial Rhinos flying around healing serious wounds during a battle.


Flying Half-Celestial Awakened Rhinos?

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Flying Half-Celestial Awakened Rhinos?

I like the way you think...I would so love to play at your table!


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