I've always rhymed it with droll, poll, roll, stroll, toll, and troll.
Gnoll as in grassy.
I've always rhymed it with droll, poll, roll, stroll, toll, and troll.
But my new player rhymes it with doll.
I'm curious how other people say it.
You are correct, sir.
How do I know? I heard Gygax say the word at Gen Con the year before he died. It just happened to come up in conversation. (the monster, not how it's pronounced.)
I figure that's a definitive enough pronunciation for me.
since in some of the earliest incarnations of the game the gnoll is said to be a magical cross between a gnome and a troll... I combine the two words for my pronunciation.
It rhymes with Drow...
It rhymes with Drow...
*blink* *blink*
I do hope you're joking.
The gnoll is droll when compared to the troll.
The gnoll did roll on the grassy knoll.
He did not know the gnome was home.
It rhymes with Drow...*blink* *blink*
I do hope you're joking.
I am joking.
I'm referring to the arguement about how to pronounce Drow. (Some pronoune it like it rhymes with so and longbow, others pronounce it like it rhymes with how and now.)
:D
I've always rhymed it with droll, poll, roll, stroll, toll, and troll.Gnoll as in grassy.
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I pronounce it the french way: G(hard G sound)-naull
The same way for gnome: G-naum
Yes, you can laugh, now.
If I'm reading/speaking it in English I use a silent G, if in Swedish a hard G.
The gnoll did roll on the grassy knoll.
He did not know the gnome was home.
The gnoll did roll on the grassy knoll.
He did not know the gnome was home.
LOL
Reminds me of the old Sesame Street sketch about
"Fat Cat Sat on a Hat then he slept on a Mat until is was Flat...OH YEAH!!! oh yeah...."
"Why do you roam?" asked the gnome.
"To find my goal," replied the gnoll.
I've always rhymed it with droll, poll, roll, stroll, toll, and troll.
But my new player rhymes it with doll.
I'm curious how other people say it.
Gnoll rhymes with doll, but so does toll and troll :)
And I had never even suspected that some people would rhyme Drow with Crow, I had always thought that everyone rhymed it with how.
I've always rhymed it with droll, poll, roll, stroll, toll, and troll.
But my new player rhymes it with doll.
I'm curious how other people say it.
Gnoll rhymes with doll, but so does toll and troll :)
And I had never even suspected that some people would rhyme Drow with Crow, I had always thought that everyone rhymed it with how.
About 10% of the players I meet (and about 20% of the GMS) insist that Drow rhymes with Crow.
I think it rhymes with How too..
historically both could be considered correct (Drow rw cow, drow rw crow), Gygax pronounced it to rhyme with cow, so I am guessing that was his intended pronunciation when he created the drow as a monster for G3.
Pick your way through his many, many, many Q&A threads on dragonsfoot and you too can find out how he pronounced it (among other things).
though I should have just said I used a Ouija board :P
though I should have just said I used a Ouija board :PAnd we shall not discuss how to pronounce "ouija". ;-)
At college, we had a friend who used to do the ouija board at parties. While Drunk. And he always called it the Wedgie board...
I've always rhymed it with droll, poll, roll, stroll, toll, and troll.Gnoll as in grassy.
This. +1
I loved the little joke one of the head honchos at Paizo put into one of the volumes of Second darkness (at least I think). They were discussing how to pronounce "Drown" and said "well, it's simple, Drown rhymes with Bow." :P Bastards.
What was funny was that one of the players in the Second Darkness game I was in insisted that that meant Drow was pronounced D-roh until I pointed out the other usage of the word 'bow'.
though I should have just said I used a Ouija board :PAnd we shall not discuss how to pronounce "ouija". ;-)
How did you know my Aunt Ouija?
I pronouce gnoll as "lovable furry slaughter-machines!"
Seriously, though. Gnoll like toll. Drow like cow. And I admit, like most people I've heard, I pronounce Ouija 'weejee'. Though for the life of me, I don't know how people put an E sound in a word that has no e's whatsoever. o.o;
On a slightly OT note: As much as I love gnolls, I never realized until recently how weak they are, relatively (CR 1). For some reason, I thought gnolls were CR 5. Go fig.
I've always rhymed it with droll, poll, roll, stroll, toll, and troll.
But my new player rhymes it with doll.
I'm curious how other people say it.
You are correct, sir.
How do I know? I heard Gygax say the word at Gen Con the year before he died. It just happened to come up in conversation. (the monster, not how it's pronounced.)
I figure that's a definitive enough pronunciation for me.
I might also point out that gnolls are the literary descendants of Lord Dunsany's "gnoles."
I pronouce gnoll as "lovable furry slaughter-machines!"
Seriously, though. Gnoll like toll. Drow like cow.
Same on all three counts :)
And I admit, like most people I've heard, I pronounce Ouija 'weejee'. Though for the life of me, I don't know how people put an E sound in a word that has no e's whatsoever. o.o;
Some words, you can get an "ee" sound out of an i. Example: character I once encountered named Emari, pronounced "Eh-mar-ree" or "Ee-mar-ree".
I have no answer for how you get "jee" out of "ja" at the end though. Having never used nor known someone who used the thing, I always pronounced it "oo-ee-jah" until I actually heard someone refer to it as "weejee" (on a movie I think).
I find that as an adult, I pronounce all D&D names correctly, but when 1st edition introduced psionics it was all Greek to lil me and I pronounced it "pissonics" for years and years and years.
I also seem to have dislexocuted a couple other words... saying "org" instead of ogre and "orc jelly" instead of ochre jelly.
Anyone out there want to duel with my pissonic ability? I didn't think so!
Ouija
I have heard this said many different ways, the most common being Wee-JAH, though sometimes with the O pronounced too so Oh-wee-JAH.
I think this thread put the idea of Gnolls into my head. I am now using them as the first antagonist race for my new irregular game stating on saturday.
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I find that as an adult, I pronounce all D&D names correctly, but when 1st edition introduced psionics it was all Greek to lil me and I pronounced it "pissonics" for years and years and years.
I also seem to have dislexocuted a couple other words... saying "org" instead of ogre and "orc jelly" instead of ochre jelly.
I had a gamer friend in the 80s who pronounced "djinni" as "dinji". I always imagine a dinji would appear in a cloud of dirt like Pigpen from Peanuts.
I've heard it most commonly as Wee-Jee.
Apparently it is "Wee-Yah" as the Ouija board name is from French oui (means yes) and German ja (means yes).
So its the yes-yes board. It sure makes it seem really silly now.
Edit: Oh and to answer the original question we pronounce it like knoll.
I feel "gnoll" is a settled enough issue, but the one that's tripping me up is "flind" - ie the subrace of intelligent gnolls that are most of the leader gnolls are in this AP. I've never seen the term before.
I want to go with "rhymes with blind" because that sounds cooler than if it rhymed with "wind."
I've heard it most commonly as Wee-Jee.
Apparently it is "Wee-Yah" as the Ouija board name is from French oui (means yes) and German ja (means yes).
So its the yes-yes board. It sure makes it seem really silly now.
Edit: Oh and to answer the original question we pronounce it like knoll.
Of course, given that the "ja" portion is German, it should be pronounced "wee-yah" and not "wee-jah," so technically even the "correct" pronunciation is wrong.
But yes, gnoll is pronounced the same as knoll, and not doll. Though with my accent it usually sounds more like "throatwarbler mangrove."
I feel "gnoll" is a settled enough issue, but the one that's tripping me up is "flind" - ie the subrace of intelligent gnolls that are most of the leader gnolls are in this AP. I've never seen the term before.
I want to go with "rhymes with blind" because that sounds cooler than if it rhymed with "wind."
The long i sound just doesn't do it for me. I've always gone with the short vowel sound.
I agree with Shadowborn. "Flahynd" doesn't roll off the tongue very easily.
Bip Bippadotta is my hero.
The gnoll did roll on the grassy knoll.
He did not know the gnome was home.
The gnoll did roll on the grassy knoll.
He did not know the gnome was home.
LOL
Reminds me of the old Sesame Street sketch about
"Fat Cat Sat on a Hat then he slept on a Mat until is was Flat...OH YEAH!!! oh yeah...."
The long i sound just doesn't do it for me. I've always gone with the short vowel sound.I feel "gnoll" is a settled enough issue, but the one that's tripping me up is "flind" - ie the subrace of intelligent gnolls that are most of the leader gnolls are in this AP. I've never seen the term before.
I want to go with "rhymes with blind" because that sounds cooler than if it rhymed with "wind."
I'd never heard of this group before (which book are they in?) and immediately read it as rhyming with wind. I also can't wrap my head around saying it the other way.
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I find that as an adult, I pronounce all D&D names correctly, but when 1st edition introduced psionics it was all Greek to lil me and I pronounced it "pissonics" for years and years and years.
I also seem to have dislexocuted a couple other words... saying "org" instead of ogre and "orc jelly" instead of ochre jelly.
Anyone out there want to duel with my pissonic ability? I didn't think so!
lol...reminds me of my brother...he used to pronounce "chaos" as cha-ohs instead of kayoss.
I'd never heard of this group before (which book are they in?) and immediately read it as rhyming with wind. I also can't wrap my head around saying it the other way.
I don't have ALL Pathfinder books, but I happen to have 2 that mention the flind: Classic Monsters Revisited and Howl of the Carrion King.
I want to go with "rhymes with blind" because that sounds cooler than if it rhymed with "wind."
I'd never heard of this group before (which book are they in?) and immediately read it as rhyming with wind. I also can't wrap my head around saying it the other way.
You know, every time I read about rhyming with "wind," I assumed it meant wind as in "the wind blows." But it just occurred to me that wind can also be pronounced with a long I, as in "I have to wind my watch." So saying that "flind" rhymes with "wind" is no more helpful than saying that "drow" rhymes with "bow" or "sow."
(Maybe we just don't say "wind" with a long I very often anymore, because wind-up watches and other machines that need to be wound up are so rare these days?)
I want to go with "rhymes with blind" because that sounds cooler than if it rhymed with "wind."I'd never heard of this group before (which book are they in?) and immediately read it as rhyming with wind. I also can't wrap my head around saying it the other way.You know, every time I read about rhyming with "wind," I assumed it meant wind as in "the wind blows." But it just occurred to me that wind can also be pronounced with a long I, as in "I have to wind my watch." So saying that "flind" rhymes with "wind" is no more helpful than saying that "drow" rhymes with "bow" or "sow."
(Maybe we just don't say "wind" with a long I very often anymore, because wind-up watches and other machines that need to be wound up are so rare these days?)
Good point. I did mean the first version, but I'm having trouble thinking of another word that rhymes with it.
As an aside, I'm reminded of a moment with one of my favorite characters, (and my avatar's namesake), a Gnoll Fighter. The DM said "You're standing atop a grassy knoll."
I said, "Does he mind?"
Ah, where would a punster be without D&D.
I'm having trouble thinking of another word that rhymes with it.Send, Fend, Mend...
Assuming you're trying to rhyme with wind; as in "the wind blows" (if not, my mistake)...
Yes, but send and wind don't rhyme... send rhymes with end and the "i" in wind is the same as the "i" in sin or win.
That said, sin or win does answer the question of how I would pronounce the "i" in Flind, so I suppose there's your answer :)