You're not going to Paizocon, are you?That's the second time I've seen you say that out of the blue. Why is that?Sure, I'll buy him a beer. I actually like debating with people, it was something I was good at in highschool. You'd be surprised by what people will say on the internet but don't say in person. Most people are slightly different in person.
I bet $50 I could convince you to not only by my book, but help finance it. Of course, with that $50, you could compound the interest, divide by t and make millions, but I think I could convince you otherwise.
To be honest, I don't even know what book you're talking about. I assume that's a thread elsewhere.
But when you first say that about PaizoCon, you don't first mention the buying a beer part. It almost comes across as hostile. Just a suggestion that the next time you say that, throw in the beer buying pitch. Just sayin'. ;)
But when you first say that about PaizoCon, you don't first mention the buying a beer part. It almost comes across as hostile. Just a suggestion that the next time you say that, throw in the beer buying pitch. Just sayin'. ;)
Might not want to mention the whole "the tip is up to you" though. Don't want to appear niggardly to new people.
Yes, I've been waiting this whole time to use "that" word in its proper context.
Might not want to mention the whole "the tip is up to you" though. Don't want to appear niggardly to new people.
Yes, I've been waiting this whole time to use "that" word in its proper context.
You're welcome for the set-up. ;)
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You're welcome for the set-up. ;)Might not want to mention the whole "the tip is up to you" though. Don't want to appear niggardly to new people.
Yes, I've been waiting this whole time to use "that" word in its proper context.
Speaking of set-ups, I was playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, and I joined a match just as it was ending. I got shot in the head 2 seconds later, which just so happened to be the game winning kill.
Dude started talking sh!t, I got angry and told him I was gunning for him in the next match. Little did I know, the group he was with were all his friends, which I didn't discover until he started running through my teammates and killing me.
The tip off was when my teammates ran around the corner and all looked up at the same time, but lowered their weapons and ran on. I run around the corner, BLAM, right in the face from a balcony.
Dude, words cannot express how pissed I was. You guys might annoy me at times, but you've never made me throw things across the room and spout endless litanies of unexpressable rage.
“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
- Maya Angelou (American Poet, b.1928)
In this case, it's less important if something said is offensive or not, and more important if the listener took offense when hearing it.
Unless one's goal is to give offense ... then we might want to analyze every word to death to inflict the maximum possible offense points per round. Somebody will inevitably make a spreadsheet. Others will begin threads about tiers of offense, and the threat to game balance at high volume levels. We'll all have a good time. :-)
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“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
- Maya Angelou (American Poet, b.1928)In this case, it's less important if something said is offensive or not, and more important if the listener took offense when hearing it.
The most interesting thing is, If that is indeed the case, then Maya Angelou what will be remembered for making me feel bored in English class. Something about caged birds singing and The Color Purple was all I remember. I also remember it never contained explosions or zombies, which should be a requirement for all great literature to have :)
The most interesting thing is, If that is indeed the case, then Maya Angelou what will be remembered for making me feel bored in English class. Something about caged birds singing and The Color Purple was all I remember. I also remember it never contained explosions or zombies, which should be a requirement for all great literature to have :)
Given that a lot of classic literatures are seeing rewrites to add in zombies, I wouldn't be surprised if The Color Purple eventually sees similar treatment. :P
The Color Purple is by Alice Walker, of course.
Yeah! And "B#!$+" is by Meredith Brooks, not Sheryl Crow! Buncha cultural heathens in this crowd!
Edit: Filters are lame.
So it is o.k. to be insulting if
A ) It is funny
B ) The people's who expense you are having your fun with are not around to point out how insensitive it is.
I know this is two pages old, but... yes! Yes it is okay!
There's really very, VERY little on this earth that merits being taken seriously all the time, or even much of the time. A joke, made in jest, is not a malicious thing. If it is, it's not really a joke (or wasn't really made in jest).
I wouldn't tell a Christian joke in front of a Christian guy whose sense of humor I didn't know much about, but nobody's race or religion (or hobbies, or voices, or families, or noses) are so important that it can't be made fun of. Folks who take their race or religion too seriously end up blowing up towers or clinics, I think.
However, since this is a public forum, where one's audience cannot be assessed, it's probably not a good idea to use terms like 'gay', 'retarded', or 'n-word'. This isn't a small room where the mood and tone between a small group of friends can be considered. This is a crowded place with all types of people in different moods with different sensibilities and sensitivities.
Probably better to save the gay jokes for your friends (especially the gay ones!). Instead, maybe whip out the nerd jokes? If anyone here can't take a nerd joke, they should probably just turn in their d20s now, and leave. : P
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I know this is two pages old, but... yes! Yes it is okay!
There's really very, VERY little on this earth that merits being taken seriously al the time, or even much of the time. A joke, made in jest, is not a malicious thing. If it is, it's not really a joke (or wasn't really made in jest).
I wouldn't tell a Christian joke in front of a Christian guy whose sense of humor I didn't know much about, but nobody's race or religion (or hobbies, or voices, or families, or noses) are so important that it can't be made fun of. Folks who take their race or religion too seriously end up blowing up towers or clinics, I think.
However, since this is a public forum, where one's audience cannot be assessed, it's probably not a good idea to use terms like 'gay', 'retarded', or 'n-word'. This isn't a small room where the mood and tone between a small group of friends can be considered. This is a crowded place with all types of people in different moods with different sensibilities and sensitivities.
Probably better to save the gay jokes for your friends (especially the gay ones!). Instead, maybe whip out the nerd jokes? If anyone here can't take a nerd joke, they should probably just turn in their d20s now, and leave. : P
Why is it so hard to understand that there are some things that are just not OK. Disparaging a person or group of people based solely on their race is bad, mkay? Racist jokes only serve to continue to reinforce negative stereotypes about what are generally minorities. It's not like this is even something that was in the distant past. The civil rights movement was still going on and Jim Crow laws were on the books less than 50 years ago. Interracial marriage wasn't made legal until after that. There are still people alive that were subjected to segregation and the Jim Crow laws. Gays are still trying to gain equal rights in today's society...i guess we never learned that "seperate but equal" really isn't.
That's why it's not ok and trying to pretend that it is only shows your ignorance.
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First of all there are people on the boards that are not from the United States and these words may be far more insulting in their country than yours.
Because words such as retard and spaz hit close to home for those people that have disabilities or have loved ones and friends with disabilities. They are insulting to a person that did not choose to suffer through something terrible.
Using gay in the negative is reinforcing stereotypes it empowers people who commit acts of violence against gay members of our community.
The N word dehumanises a person it signifies they are fit for nothing but slavery or subjugation.
There are a few points:
1. Jokes are always funny, unless you are the butt of the joke, they WOOOOAAAHHH wait a minute, its not funny ...2. Gay was 'Happy' a term of joy, as in: "A gay ole time". So they took a positive word and placed it on a group of people. The people are pretty much forcing a negative conitation to the word, not that there is one in and of itself. This is opposed to the term N#$#@*, that comes from Niggardly which is being ignorant, uneducated, which comes from a negative word from the beginning.
3. Working in Theatre in NYC, The largest proponent of those over the word 'Gay' are the non-homosexual people that have this internal guilt for something and feel the need to be outraged for others. I have yet to have any of my friends, or others homosexuals I meet and hang with think gay is negative.
3. This leads to the term Spik. Being a Puerto Rician, it took me about 30 years before I learned how this was used as derogatory. It was when the new people came to the states and when asked questions in English, they answered 'I cannot s~+!$ english' or some similar phrase. Interesting.
NOTE: this is not a retort to you, Dwarf, just about this whole thread.
I really think the 'White Guilt' drives so many people to become over-PC and make many people rush to be outraged at what they percieve is negative towards other people.
I make jokes about EVERYONE. My niece is part Polish and HATES it and I do not let up. Why, becuase it is funny. the jokes are meant for fun, not for meaness.
Most people alsos take things out of context. This is a big reason so many people are 'Taken Down' by the vocal minorty. Peolpe have to STOP! get all the Information, then react to things they hear, or assume people mean untill they get the full story. Mis-information is a MAJOR problem with percieving offensive behavior. The Big issue on message boards is that people read words, then 'PROJECT' their own meanings into the words. Sorry, but you cannot hear me say my words and ultimately, unless I explicitely explain what I mean when I say something, you really cannot make judgements. So try not to rush to judgements, do a little leg-work and get informed.
Informed people are the most dangerous/powerful people in the world.
Sorry is this sounds like a diatribe, but percieved rascism from peopel not actually involved in the situation is a pet peeve. That and I hate PETA, cause they love animals more then people :)
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“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
- Maya Angelou (American Poet, b.1928)In this case, it's less important if something said is offensive or not, and more important if the listener took offense when hearing it.
Unless one's goal is to give offense ... then we might want to analyze every word to death to inflict the maximum possible offense points per round. Somebody will inevitably make a spreadsheet. Others will begin threads about tiers of offense, and the threat to game balance at high volume levels. We'll all have a good time. :-)
I can understand where you are coming from. But being in the arts, I have a distaste for censorship. What people say, good or bad, brings about change. Without change we stagnate.
When meeting new people, I put on a mask, as almost all of us do, and judge people. We all have limitations, and this is uderstood, and we take precautions in social sitautions, no matter how anti-censorship I might be, I still censor myself. Why, because this is not just My Planet. I think all people have to realize this, take a step back, even if its just taking a breath before making a comment (I can see the importance of this). Just do not begin to tell me of how I should act, talk or interact with others.
Good quote as well, but coming from the Wisdom of the Owl, I shouldn't have been surprised.
First off, why can't I say something is "gay" or "retarded"? The vast majority of people commonly use it now adays, I'll be using some of those terms at a certain event, I'm sure (so you may be offended by me in person, yay you!).
While others will be more than willing to speak up on your first example, I'll allow The Arc to speak on the complexity of the second example:
Why it's hate speech:
Document
Why it's "like a knife in the heart":
Knife in the Heart
Scroll down to the next article on that page, entitled: The Case Against Banning the Word 'Retard'
Hope that helps.
Major takeaways:
- 1 in 3 children with disabilities are victims of some form of abuse, sexual abuse, or neglect. (Sullivan & Knutson, 2000).
- Abuse often occurs as part of name calling, bullying, hazing, or other targeted attacks based on disability status.
- “Retard” and “retarded” are derogatory and dehumanizing terms– on par with the N-word when used to describe African Americans, and various hateful terms used to describe members of the Jewish, gay and lesbian and other minority communities."
SHOULDN’T PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES JUST LIGHTEN UP? IT’S A JOKE!
- NO! People with intellectual disabilities have a history of institutionalization, genocide, forced sterilization, segregation, and being regarded as ‘less than human.’"
Nitpicky, but...
2. ... This is opposed to the term n&#~!@, that comes from Niggardly which is being ignorant, uneducated, which comes from a negative word from the beginning.
That's not correct, the words are not related. The deadly n-word derives from the word "negro" and has a Latin root. The term "niggardly" means stingy and has a Nordic root. There is no etymological connection.
3. This leads to the term Spik. Being a Puerto Rician, it took me about 30 years before I learned how this was used as derogatory. It was when the new people came to the states and when asked questions in English, they answered 'I cannot s~!&~ english' or some similar phrase. Interesting.
This is undetermined but suspect as to its factuality.
In addition, for those who feel strongly on this issue, there's this:
And this: Scrubs guy on r-word
And this Special Olympics
And, of course, as other posters have mentioned, using the word indicates a lack of class. YMMV.
Thanks, Mr. Dudley.
Thanks, Mr. Dudley.
Agreed.
Now, since the discussion has obviously moved from the capsule of "Website Feedback" into something that more resembles a non-Paizo conversation, can this thread be moved?
Failing that, deleting the thread would be delicious irony.
And this: Scrubs guy on r-word
I love Johnny C.
And I was going to posit instead of saying it's "Jared" to perpetuate the use of "That's so Dorian."
“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
- Maya Angelou (American Poet, b.1928)In this case, it's less important if something said is offensive or not, and more important if the listener took offense when hearing it.
I can understand where you are coming from. But being in the arts, I have a distaste for censorship. What people say, good or bad, brings about change. Without change we stagnate.
When meeting new people, I put on a mask, as almost all of us do, and judge people. We all have limitations, and this is understood, and we take precautions in social situations, no matter how anti-censorship I might be, I still censor myself. Why, because this is not just My Planet. I think all people have to realize this, take a step back, even if its just taking a breath before making a comment (I can see the importance of this). Just do not begin to tell me of how I should act, talk or interact with others.
I agree with you that censorship is crime against humanity. However, it is important to make a distinction between:
A. The government, using its constitutionally limited authority, to attempt to prohibit expression solely based on the content of said expression.
B. Paizo.com, exercising reasonable control over its online forum ("messageboards") that it provides without charge for role-playing enthusiasts, many of which are paying customers.
In Case B, we are guests in Paizo's house. Their rules for conduct are quite reasonable. I feel I should conduct myself accordingly. I don't mind so much if somebody finds my statements "offensive" (because I don't always have control over this), but it would bother me a great deal to be considered a poor guest (because my behavior is something I always have control over).
Are the application of liberal doses of common sense and consideration really that difficult or delimiting?
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Dear Mr. Shiny and Other Posters,
I am sorry and embarrassed. But most of all, I am deeply sorry.
Yesterday was one of my worst days back from Iraq. I was extremely tired and pissed off, as I was the only one in the office and had to deal with a stack of paperwork. I may have made some regretable statements, but I at no time meant to offend anyone, except perhaps ChrisRevocateur, who I disagreed with at the time, and Aberzombie, but I don't know why, I guess I just don't like the vibes i get from him.
Words cannot express how truly sorry I am for the anxiety, frustration and inconvenience that I caused. This is especially saddening because I pride myself on the promise of bringing humanity back together and making the experience of posting happier and easier for everyone who chooses to post at Paizo. I know I failed to deliver on this promise yesterday.
I am commited to having you, my fellow posters, and I am taking immediate corrective steps to regain your confidence in me. I have begun putting a comprehensive plan in place to prevent such terriblely regretable actions from happening again. I am confident, as a result of these actions, that I will emerge as a more friendly and even more poster responsive person than ever before.
You deserved better—a lot better—from me yesterday. Nothing is more important than regaining your trust and I hope you will give me the opportunity to provide you the positive posts and feedback you have come to expect from me.
Sincerely,PVT Jared Ouimette
Budgeting & Execution
US ARMY HawaiiDoes this work as an apology?
Lol. Counsel yourself.
That's why it's not ok...
Sorry, not buying it. If it's not okay to make a joke about my Christian friend because he's Christian, or my black friend because he's black, then it's not okay to make fun of anyone for anything... you can't pick and choose.
Not okay to make jokes about nerds, then. And it's not okay to make jokes about white folks, either. It's not okay to make jokes about men... nope. Oh, and it's not okay to make jokes about Cubs fans.
Like I said, you can't have it both ways.
One does need to consider his audience and realize that there is a place and time for levity... but a joke is a joke.
Now there IS such a thing as hate speech, however, and sometimes it wears the disguise of a joke. Using "humor" that's only humourous to you, at the expense of another's history, hobby, or race, for example. But a joke is a joke, folks, and nothing (even having BROWN SKIN!!!111one) is so important that you can't have a sense of humor about it, where appropriate.
For reference your Klu Klux Klan wizards would be a good example of folks who lost their sense of humor when it comes to race and creed.
It's all about place and time. And tone.
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Re: well, re. At first, mentally challenged folks were referred to by the common-use term idiot, as in, "the village idiot." But that became generally used as a pejorative, so the powers that be decided to use the clinical term "moron" instead. Then people started using that as a pejorative, so they instituted a new clinical term, "imbecile." But, of course, "imbecile" also became a pejorative, so we decided to use yet another clinical term, "retard," to refer to people with mental disabilities. Now that, too, is found offensive.
The point I'm trying to make here is that doing something like banning the use of the word "retard" is ultimately ineffective. Whatever word we replace it with will end up being used as a pejorative. Changing the term arbitrarily won't help. We as a society have even used the term "special" to refer to the mentally handicapped--how inoffensive is "special?" Yet when you hear somebody called "special" in a certain tone, you know exactly what's meant by it.
Same thing has happened with the term "gay." It used to mean "happy," but then it somehow got applied to homosexuals, and now it's also used a pejorative--despite the fact that its original meaning is utterly inoffensive.
A similar thing has happened with words we use to refer to the people we now call African Americans. The N word wasn't originally a pejorative; it was a bastardization or colloquialism of the word "negro," which as was pointed out above, came from the Latin word for the color black. Of course, it became pejorative, and the term "colored" came into general use. Where I come from, many older people, both white and black, still use the term "colored" without any kind of implied malice or racism, merely because that was the term that was "PC" when they were younger. Curiously, it's nowadays OK to refer to "people of color," but not "colored people," even though it's still the NAACP. It's acceptable to say someone is "black" (adjective) but much less so to say someone is "a black" (noun).
Let me conclude by pointing out that it isn't really the words themselves that are offensive. It's the way they are used, the intent behind them. We can try to arbitrate changes to the language but people will just adapt to the changes and find new ways to be offensive. As a global society we cannot change this without changing the underlying attitudes. Changing words won't matter, only changing people's hearts.
Even Scientologists?
Just do not begin to tell me of how I should act, talk or interact with others.Does anyone else see the irony here? When someone says they find a term derogatory, they're told not to exercise their freedom of speech to comment on another's speech.
Not really. If I say something you find derogatory and you say that you find it derogatory then that’s fine. You have every right to take offence to every little thing I say and let the world know that you think every word out of my mouth (or rather, out of my keyboard in this case) is hate speech. That is your right. You do not however have the right to limit what I say because it offends you.
After you say something offends you it then is up to me as to whether I censor myself or not. If I say retarded to describe an action I think is moronic (which it is a synonym for) and you take offence to it, then I am sorry that you take offence to it, but I’m not saying it as a derogatory term towards people born with disabilities or with the intent of offending anyone, unless of course I say the term directed towards an individual, in which case I’m intending to offend that person alone.
Am I ignorant of the fact that people use this word as a derogatory term to mock people with mental disabilities? Of course not, but do you really think these people wouldn’t just use another word to mock people with mental disabilities if the word retarded never existed? If no one had ever come up with using the term retarded to degrade people of a mental or physical handicap then we might be having the same argument over the word stupid, imbecile, or dull.
And before anyone tries to bring up the N word again, it’s not the same. The N word means one thing, it’s a hateful term used to describe black people, that’s it. You might say a joke with the N word in it and ‘not have anything against black people’ but you are still using the term to describe a black person. Retarded on the other hand has a few meanings. During the play testing of the witch someone used it to describe the classes casting progression, this person wasn’t using the term to insult handicapped individuals, or even to call someone or something stupid. Retarded only becomes a hateful term towards handicapped people when it’s used to describe handicapped people.
Personally I don’t understand why people seem to insist on letting things offend them that clearly weren’t said in the way they’re taking it. I think people just need thicker skin. Still, that’s their right. If anyone wants to get offended by something that’s not meant to be offensive then go right ahead. Just don’t expect me to care about it.
My niece is part Polish and HATES it and I do not let up. Why, becuase it is funny. the jokes are meant for fun, not for meaness.
Your niece hates it, and you refuse to let up on it, but "it's not for meanness"?
If your niece laughed along with you, THEN it would be funny. That doesn't sound like it's the case.
Let me guess: it's "funny" to you because you get a reaction out of your niece hating it. That is the very definition of mean.
This whole thing. It's not about being PC and guilt and insert your jargon of the day here.
It's about speaking to people respectfully. If someone says, "I feel hurt by what you said," the civil, mature thing to do IS APOLOGIZE. And resolve not to do it again.
End of story.
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That's why it's not ok...Sorry, not buying it. If it's not okay to make a joke about my Christian friend because he's Christian, or my black friend because he's black, then it's not okay to make fun of anyone for anything... you can't pick and choose.
Not okay to make jokes about nerds, then. And it's not okay to make jokes about white folks, either. It's not okay to make jokes about men... nope. Oh, and it's not okay to make jokes about Cubs fans.
Like I said, you can't have it both ways.
One does need to consider his audience and realize that there is a place and time for levity... but a joke is a joke.
Now there IS such a thing as hate speech, however, and sometimes it wears the disguise of a joke. Using "humor" that's only humourous to you, at the expense of another's history, hobby, or race, for example. But a joke is a joke, folks, and nothing (even having BROWN SKIN!!!111one) is so important that you can't have a sense of humor about it, where appropriate.
For reference your Klu Klux Klan wizards would be a good example of folks who lost their sense of humor when it comes to race and creed.
It's all about place and time. And tone.
Like it or not, there is a double standard. Due to fairly recent events, some types of "jokes" will always be offensive and innapropriate. I haven't heard anybody making any 9/11 jokes, have you? It ultimately boils down to the "What? Too soon?" factor as i like to call it.
That and any "joke" that incorporates any type of racial/ethnic/religious slur is, and always will be, innapropriate.
Even Scientologists?Scientology is a cult. The US is one of the few countries in the world that actually considers this cult a religion. I had a friend that wrote a piece critical of scientology in a community college newspaper, and he had scientologist foot-soldiers hounding him for months.
Lest we forget that Christianity was as well until Constantine.
I removed a couple of pretty off-color jokes, and the replies to them (and the replies to those and so forth.)
Even Scientologists?Scientology is a cult. The US is one of the few countries in the world that actually considers this cult a religion. I had a friend that wrote a piece critical of scientology in a community college newspaper, and he had scientologist foot-soldiers hounding him for months.
So religion is sacred, unless it’s a religion you don’t like , then it’s a cult and it’s okay to insult them?
Nice.
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Lest we forget that Christianity was as well until Constantine.Even Scientologists?Scientology is a cult. The US is one of the few countries in the world that actually considers this cult a religion. I had a friend that wrote a piece critical of scientology in a community college newspaper, and he had scientologist foot-soldiers hounding him for months.
Technically ALL religions are a cult.
Cult:
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
One out of 8 definitions say that to be defined as a cult, a religion has to be unorthodox. That means christianity, islam, judaism, buddhism, hiduism...any other -ism, etc. are all considered cults.
As an atheist, my personal view is just that...every single religion is a cult and they all originated as a means with which to control an unruly population. What better authority figure than one who cannot be seen (but offers a fate of eternal suffering for disobeying) never mind challenged?
I removed a couple of pretty off-color jokes, and the replies to them (and the replies to those and so forth.)
i understand. however i felt the tone of some of the posts need the same in return. i do apologize if i broke any of the rules on the board.
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Even Scientologists?Scientology is a cult. The US is one of the few countries in the world that actually considers this cult a religion. I had a friend that wrote a piece critical of scientology in a community college newspaper, and he had scientologist foot-soldiers hounding him for months.So religion is sacred, unless it’s a religion you don’t like , then it’s a cult and it’s okay to insult them?
Nice.
Nope, read the response i posted shortly after your reply.
Lest we forget that Christianity was as well until Constantine.Even Scientologists?Scientology is a cult. The US is one of the few countries in the world that actually considers this cult a religion. I had a friend that wrote a piece critical of scientology in a community college newspaper, and he had scientologist foot-soldiers hounding him for months.
The Zoroastrians and Hindus et al were working their religious magic so early in the timeline that all the new upstart religions must have seemed so silly to them. Only a few generations in I could see them thinking, "Our mysticism is ancient and proven... what kind of metaphysical mumbo jumbo are these new kids on the block suggesting?! It sounds ridiculous!"
Any new religion is going to be called a cult unless it's an offshoot of an established religion. Mormonism, Scientology, Roneism. Of all of these, I think Roneism seems to make the most sense. Convert now! Our operators are standing by!
My niece is part Polish and HATES it and I do not let up. Why, becuase it is funny. the jokes are meant for fun, not for meaness.Your niece hates it, and you refuse to let up on it, but "it's not for meanness"?
If your niece laughed along with you, THEN it would be funny. That doesn't sound like it's the case.
Let me guess: it's "funny" to you because you get a reaction out of your niece hating it. That is the very definition of mean.
This whole thing. It's not about being PC and guilt and insert your jargon of the day here.
It's about speaking to people respectfully. If someone says, "I feel hurt by what you said," the civil, mature thing to do IS APOLOGIZE. And resolve not to do it again.
End of story.
What if all of his other relatives thought it was funny and that his niece was being thin skinned? He should still never use that type of humor again because one person took offence to it?
I have a vegetarian friend who finds the consumption of meat, or even granulated sugar (it’s colored with bone ash) offensive, so the civil, mature thing to do is apologize to him for eating meat and never consume meat or granulated sugar again?
Like it or not, there is a double standard. Due to fairly recent events, some types of "jokes" will always be offensive and innapropriate. I haven't heard anybody making any 9/11 jokes, have you? It ultimately boils down to the "What? Too soon?" factor as i like to call it.
That and any "joke" that incorporates any type of racial/ethnic/religious slur is, and always will be, innapropriate.
Like it or not, eh? Well I don't like it! Double-standards are generally regarded as an undesirable social phenomenon. I can't make a joke about Quanza, but it's acceptable to make a joke about white folks or Easter? Why? What's the difference?
Say I make a joke among friends about God and Jesus playing golf together - but God keeps working miracles to cheat! I'm belittling the diety around witch the entire Christian faith - among others - is based! Oh noes!
Is that really an inappropriate or hateful thing that I've done?
If your answer is yes, I'm afraid you might be in DIRE need of some perspective.
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Not really. If I say something you find derogatory and you say that you find it derogatory then that’s fine. You have every right to take offence to every little thing I say and let the world know that you think every word out of my mouth (or rather, out of my keyboard in this case) is hate speech. That is your right. You do not however have the right to limit what I say because it offends you.Just do not begin to tell me of how I should act, talk or interact with others.Does anyone else see the irony here? When someone says they find a term derogatory, they're told not to exercise their freedom of speech to comment on another's speech.
No, I don't have the right (personally) to limit what you say. But the choice to flag a post is made available to me. Paizo can remove posts from their messageboards that they feel are inappropriate. Whenever someone exercises their right to comment on the rudeness of others, the outcry of "Don't censor me! I have rights!" strikes me as ironic.
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