This is mainly for Attacks in the Flurry, If I have 4 levels of fighter, 4 levels of monk, are my flurry of attacks
+6/+6 or
+6/+6/+1/+1Mainly, do I get to follow the monks flkurry progression with BAB
Neither.
It would be +2/+2, with out any other bonuses like strength.
Fighters can't flurry so their lvls don't count toward FoB.
Your regular attack would be at +6 because you can add BABs together, FoB attack bonuses don't combine with regular BAB.
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Neither.
It would be +2/+2, with out any other bonuses like strength.
Fighters can't flurry so their lvls don't count toward FoB.Your regular attack would be at +6 because you can add BABs together, FoB attack bonuses don't combine with regular BAB.
I can't disagree more. While the monk's BAB may be equal to their level for the purposes of flurry (minus the 2-weapon fighting penalty), that bonus will still stack with other BABs. I personally believe the basic rules of BAB calculation are the same regardless of class and monk's flurry is not treated any differently than any other BAB stacking. If you didn't do this, you're looking at that level 5 monk/level 10 monk-based PrC without flurry as only having attacks at +3/+3.
In this instance the bonuses would be as follows:
+6 (Initial blow at +2 Monk, +4 Fighter)
+6 (Additional flurry of blows attack at +2 Monk, +4 Fighter)
+1 (Second iterative attack for having a BAB of +6).
I can't disagree more. While the monk's BAB may be equal to their level for the purposes of flurry (minus the 2-weapon fighting penalty), that bonus will still stack with other BABs. I personally believe the basic rules of BAB calculation are the same regardless of class and monk's flurry is not treated any differently than any other BAB stacking. If you didn't do this, you're looking at that level 5 monk/level 10 monk-based PrC without flurry as only having attacks at +3/+3.In this instance the bonuses would be as follows:
+6 (Initial blow at +2 Monk, +4 Fighter)
+6 (Additional flurry of blows attack at +2 Monk, +4 Fighter)
+1 (Second iterative attack for having a BAB of +6).Ah your right, it would be +4/+4 for FoB.
But no, don't add BABs for FoB. If you did it would be +8/+8 to flurry.
That's exactly why it's a terrible idea to take levels of monk and not stick with it.I can't find it but there are at least two threads here with this exact discussion. One of which I was involved with and was corrected because I thought something similar.
An 8th level fighter has a +8/+3 regular attack. So what your saying is multiclassing into an inferior melee class should boost the fighters output somehow?
Monk 4/ fighter 4 has a FoB attack bonus of +4/+4.
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Ah your right, it would be +4/+4 for FoB.
But no, don't add BABs for FoB. If you did it would be +8/+8 to flurry.
That's exactly why it's a terrible idea to take levels of monk and not stick with it.I can't find it but there are at least two threads here with this exact discussion. One of which I was involved with and was corrected because I thought something similar.
An 8th level fighter has a +8/+3 regular attack. So what your saying is multiclassing into an inferior melee class should boost the fighters output somehow?
Monk 4/ fighter 4 has a FoB attack bonus of +4/+4.
Look in the conversion document, it tells you that flurry of blows uses your monk level plus any other BAB you get from other classes on your to hit rolls.
We had a looong discussion about this. Official Paizo word from the conversion text.
From the text:
"A monk’s base attack bonus when performing a flurry of
blows is now equal to his level. His attacks are made as if
using Two-Weapon Fighting (and its improvements at later
levels). Table 3–10 summarizes these bonuses. Change your
flurry of blows base bonuses to match these values (plus
any increases to your base attack bonus from other classes,
which might give you additional attacks with your primary
strike). Note that other increases to your base attack bonus
do not increase the number of attacks you can make with
your off hand, as the bonus feats to gain these attacks are
not gained until you reach the required level of monk."
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From the above math the attacks would be as follows:
Base Attack Bonus for a Monk with Flurry = Monk Level
Add Fighter Level
4 + 4 = 8
Subtract out two-weapon penalty
8 - 2 = 6
A score of +6 means your basic bonus is +6/+1.
You get a second attack at your highest BAB per Flurry turning it into +6/+6/+1.
That's nice, however, the OP didn't say he was converting a character from another system.
I wish I could find that post, because I was right the first time it would be +2/+2. The reason they say we use the monk's level for FoB is that is the way they calculated it and came up with +2/+2.
Now where in the core rule book under Flurry of Blows does it state you can add BABs from different classes.
From the above math the attacks would be as follows:
Base Attack Bonus for a Monk with Flurry = Monk Level
Add Fighter Level4 + 4 = 8
Subtract out two-weapon penalty
8 - 2 = 6
A score of +6 means your basic bonus is +6/+1.
You get a second attack at your highest BAB per Flurry turning it into +6/+6/+1.
Correct.
Not this question again. I did not read any post, but to make it simple the flurry combines with the fighter BAB.
From the above math the attacks would be as follows:
Base Attack Bonus for a Monk with Flurry = Monk Level
Add Fighter Level4 + 4 = 8
Subtract out two-weapon penalty
8 - 2 = 6
A score of +6 means your basic bonus is +6/+1.
You get a second attack at your highest BAB per Flurry turning it into +6/+6/+1.
No, they are explaning how they got the numbers they did. There is no math left for us to do.
The monk flurries as if using 2 weapon feat, meaning a -2 penalty to all primary attacks, which is BAB of +1 (monk level) -2 (TWF)= -1/-1 for a first level monk.
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That's nice, however, the OP didn't say he was converting a character from another system.
I wish I could find that post, because I was right the first time it would be +2/+2. The reason they say we use the monk's level for FoB is that is the way they calculated it and came up with +2/+2.
Now where in the core rule book under Flurry of Blows does it state you can add BABs from different classes.
Normally I try not to get flustered on these boards, but really, did you read the post?
Per Paizo, from an exact quote from their text your BAB is now equal to the value present in 3-10 from the Core Rulebook PLUS "your base attack bonus from other classes." It doesn't matter if the OP is converting or not; Paizo's specific example is given in terms of conversion because the flurry BAB for monks changed.
Frankly, your value of +2/+2 (or even +4/+4) is flat out wrong. Monks Flurry improves with level, even if you're a level 1 Monk, Level 19 fighter, you're not going to be stuck with a -1/-1.
That's nice, however, the OP didn't say he was converting a character from another system.
I wish I could find that post, because I was right the first time it would be +2/+2. The reason they say we use the monk's level for FoB is that is the way they calculated it and came up with +2/+2.
Now where in the core rule book under Flurry of Blows does it state you can add BABs from different classes.
It does not matter if you are converting or not. Why would a converted fighter/monk get an advantage of a straight fighter/monk? You always add BAB from different classes. BAB is a function of total character level, not class level.
PS: Every post made on this subject lead back to the BAB being combined. I am sure I can find the post that confirms that.
Normally I try not to get flustered on these boards, but really, did you read the post?Per Paizo, from an exact quote from their text your BAB is now equal to the value present in 3-10 from the Core Rulebook PLUS "your base attack bonus from other classes." It doesn't matter if the OP is converting or not; Paizo's specific example is given in terms of conversion because the flurry BAB for monks changed.
Frankly, your value of +2/+2 (or even +4/+4) is flat out wrong. Monks Flurry improves with level, even if you're a level 1 Monk, Level 19 fighter, you're not going to be stuck with a -1/-1.
I must have an un-errated book because mine does not say that, I've read it 5 times. What page are you looking at? I'm on 57 under Flurry of Blows(Ex). Qoute "For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level. For all other purposes, such as qualifiing..."
So what your saying is, fighter 4 monk 4 would have a combined BAB of +7 for regular attacks and +6/+6 for flurry right?
So where did the 3rd attack come from?
So what your saying is, fighter 4 monk 4 would have a combined BAB of +7 for regular attacks and +6/+6 for flurry right?
So where did the 3rd attack come from?
+6 Bab? when you get an extra attack anyhow?
+6 Bab? when you get an extra attack anyhow?So what your saying is, fighter 4 monk 4 would have a combined BAB of +7 for regular attacks and +6/+6 for flurry right?
So where did the 3rd attack come from?
35 minutes ago you posted this was correct.
Flurry would be 2 attacks at +8(combined BAB remember?), -2 for TWF for each primary attack, leaving +6/+6. There is no 3rd attack when flurrying at monk level 4.
+6 Bab? when you get an extra attack anyhow?So what your saying is, fighter 4 monk 4 would have a combined BAB of +7 for regular attacks and +6/+6 for flurry right?
So where did the 3rd attack come from?
35 minutes ago you posted this was correct.
Flurry would be 2 attacks at +8(combined BAB remember?), -2 for TWF for each primary attack, leaving +6/+6. There is no 3rd attack when flurrying at monk level 4.
Sure there is.
His Base attack is effectively +8(Flurry) for a 4 level monk and a 4 level fighter. So he get +8/+3 WITHOUT the 2 weapon fighting feat. When said feat is added it becomes +6/+6/+1. Got it?
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Flurry would be 2 attacks at +8(combined BAB remember?), -2 for TWF for each primary attack, leaving +6/+6. There is no 3rd attack when flurrying at monk level 4.
The key is remembering that everybody gets a second "iterative" attack at +1 whenever they reach a +6 BAB (this is automatic for anybody ever reaching a +6 BAB). So the second +6 is due to the TWF/Flurry bonus, the +1 is simply the iterative attack.
So when you're at +8 BAB you get your base +8 PLUS an iterative +3 attack. When you reduce them both by -2 because of the flurry penalty, you're left with +6 and +1.
There are no iterative attacks for flurry. The number of attacks for flurry are based solely on your number of monk levels.
Gotta go, kids are up.
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There are no iterative attacks for flurry. The number of attacks for flurry are based solely on your number of monk levels.
Gotta go, kids are up.
Incorrect. The table is merely a shortcut for normal calculations. Flurry is just full attack with virtual two-weapon fighting feats.
If you had a BAB of +8 and two-weapon fighting, you would have a +6/+6/+1 when using it, therefor you get the same when your effective BAB is 8 and you flurry with virtual access to TWF.Don't forget: Tables are shortcuts, full-text is suggestions and DM is law.
There are no iterative attacks for flurry. The number of attacks for flurry are based solely on your number of monk levels.
Gotta go, kids are up.
You are wrong at that statement buddy. Not the kids part :)
"That's exactly why it's a terrible idea to take levels of monk..."
Fixed that for me.
I thought this was decided ages ago? But yeah, Stabbity is right.