Fox familiar.. wizard / sorcerer? stats?


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Liberty's Edge

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1) No stats for a fox familiar.. well it's in Dragon magazine, but I'm assuming since the Witch uses one, it'll be stated in AGP?

2) Will it and the other new familiars be available to wizards and sorcerers?

I'm hoping the that the tables are fixed in size for space reasons and that the lists aren't unique... but then I look at familiar bonus spells and realize there are wizard/sorcerer familiars not listed and makes me wonder.


in the LoF player guide there is an option for players to take a fox familiar as a wizard or sorcerer and it stats there that the stats for a fox are the same as a dog but it is a tiny creature (I think) -- and iirc the str is reduced by... I'm thinking 4 but I could be wrong.

So while that's not an "official right now for this" response I would probably use what they put in that product for the time being.

Sovereign Court

The fox has it's foot caught in a trap, but you could spring the trap and it would thank you and give you some advice about Baba Yaga.

I hope they have stats for it somewhere.


SirUrza wrote:


1) No stats for a fox familiar.. well it's in Dragon magazine, but I'm assuming since the Witch uses one, it'll be stated in AGP?

There was a fox in the Tome of Horrors and in the Tome of Horrors revised. Therefore there is an Open Content version.

With a quick and dirty conversion, it would look something like this :

FOX_________________________CR 1/3
XP 135

N Small animal
Init +3; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +6
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DEFENSE
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AC 15, touch 14, flat-footed 12 (+3 Dex, +1 natural, +1 size)
hp 4 (1d8)
Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +1
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OFFENSE
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Speed 40 ft.
Melee bite +3 (1d4-1)
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STATISTICS
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Str 8, Dex 17, Con 10, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6
Base Atk +0; CMB -3; CMD 10 (14 vs. trip)
Feats Track, Weapon Finesse
Skills Acrobatics +3 (+7 jumping), Perception +6, Stealth +3 (+4 in snow), Survival +1 (+5 scent tracking); Racial Modifiers +4 Acrobatics when jumping, +4 Survival when tracking by scent, arctic foxes get a +4 bonus to Stealth checks when hiding a in a snowing surrounding.
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ECOLOGY
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Environment Temperate and cold forests and plains
Organization solitary or pair
Treasure none


Trim the stats for Dog in the Monster Manual (or, I presume, Bestiary) or perhaps average them with the entry for Cat and you will have a "Fox".

Alternately, use the stats for Dog but apply a size-reduction to Tiny.

HTH,

Rez

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Abraham spalding wrote:
in the LoF player guide there is an option for players to take a fox familiar as a wizard or sorcerer and it stats there that the stats for a fox are the same as a dog but it is a tiny creature (I think) -- and iirc the str is reduced by... I'm thinking 4 but I could be wrong.

By LoF you mean Legacy of Fire right... cause I don't see any. :P

Liberty's Edge

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Guillaume Godbout wrote:

There was a fox in the Tome of Horrors and in the Tome of Horrors revised. Therefore there is an Open Content version.

Thanks but I could care less about other sources, like I said, I have the 3.x stats from Dragon Magazine.

It's bad form to say "you can have this" in a PATHFINDER ROLEPLAYING GAME "core book" and then tell a player they need to get/use an out of print source for a different edition of the game to use it at their table... or worse some conversion of a different animal.

The point of Pathfinder RPG is to provide an IN PRINT source of rules. Otherwise, Paizo should stop now, refund us our money, and go back to using 3.5.

I'm looking for Paizo to publish Fox stats using THEIR rules.


For SirUrza, the fox entry in the Legacy of Fire Players Guide is on page 5 in the "New Familiars" sidebar. It is listed a s a Brushtail Fennec. The modification is to a Dog (page 271 in the MM, and page 87 in the Bestiary) by setting the STR at 6.

Just my 2 cp.


SirUrza wrote:


1) No stats for a fox familiar.. well it's in Dragon magazine, but I'm assuming since the Witch uses one, it'll be stated in AGP?

You can find a fox familiar in The Book of Arcane Magic.

Robert Thomson
4 Winds Fantasy Gaming


SirUrza wrote:
Thanks but I could care less about other sources, like I said, I have the 3.x stats from Dragon Magazine.

Excuse me for trying to give you a hand at getting a fox familiar. It seems that my reading skills are getting worse with age and I didn't understand that you were not requesting help with a Pathfinder version of a fox.

SirUrza wrote:
It's bad form to say "you can have this" in a PATHFINDER ROLEPLAYING GAME "core book" and then tell a player they need to get/use an out of print source for a different edition of the game to use it at their table... or worse some conversion of a different animal.

What I suggested is not a conversion of a different animal. It is a conversion of a fox as published in the Tome of Horror, one of the basis for the Bestiary. If you look at the Section 15 of the OGL in book, you'll see it quoted as a such.

SirUrza wrote:

The point of Pathfinder RPG is to provide an IN PRINT source of rules. Otherwise, Paizo should stop now, refund us our money, and go back to using 3.5.

I'm looking for Paizo to publish Fox stats using THEIR rules.

While I agree with you that Paizo must provide a source in print for their rules, I'll have you notice that Tome of Horror Revised is still available in PDF. Furthermore, development is still in the works and more rules are forthcoming in the form of the Gamemaster Guide, the Advanced Player Guide, the Bestiary II, and those are only the ones we know about.

Also, the conversion of Fox 3.5 to Fox PFRPG I provided was based on their rules.

silverhair2008 wrote:
For SirUrza, the fox entry in the Legacy of Fire Players Guide is on page 5 in the "New Familiars" sidebar. It is listed as a Brushtail Fennec. The modification is to a Dog (page 271 in the MM, and page 87 in the Bestiary) by setting the STR at 6.

I don't have the LoF Player's Guide on had, but I think that my conversion would make it pretty close to that. The Dex might be a bit higher though (Dex 17 vs Dex 15?).

Liberty's Edge

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Guillaume Godbout wrote:
Excuse me for trying to give you a hand at getting a fox familiar. It seems that my reading skills are getting worse with age and I didn't understand that you were not requesting help with a Pathfinder version of a fox.

If I wanted OGL stats I would have asked for them, not ask if it'll be in the Advanced Players Guide.

My questions were in reference to the content of the Guide. Nothing else.


SirUrza wrote:


If I wanted OGL stats I would have asked for them, not ask if it'll be in the Advanced Players Guide.

My questions were in reference to the content of the Guide. Nothing else.

Fair enough. I wish you luck in getting the answers you seek.

Dark Archive

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A - The fox and a bunch more familiars will be in Bestiary II.

B - If you want a quick and dirty fix, just use the Young template and apply it to a regular dog.


Heh. Bad form. Right.

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