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Hello all,
Is there a chance that the older adventure paths such as Rise of the Runelords will be reprinted? Perhaps some sort of print where they are packaged together or made into a larger type book, maybe combination of 3 at a time or something like this? I am currently finishing Curse of the Crimson Throne, Crown of Fangs, and I would like to start this adventure path next but I noticed the increasing difficulty in finding some of the books. Are there any plans in the making to rectify this or is it once its gone its gone.
-Thanks
Yea, this has been mentioned lots of times, reason why here.
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I am doing exactly what the OP is doing, finishing Crown of Fangs either this Sunday or in two weeks likely. I was able to procure all of the books for RotRL, luckily, but #1 is a B$#% to find. Luckily a friend had it and gave it to me since he was playing in a game of it and not intending to run it. Keep your eyes open, keep looking at the on-line resources and check the gaming stores in your area occasionally. Maybe they will show up. My plan had been to purchase the PDF and have the adventure and town printed, luckily I have a hard copy in my hands instead.
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While I am quite honored and proud of the fact that Runelords is so popular and there's such a demand for it... there are plenty of new adventure paths for folks to try out as well. We do two of them a year, after all! :-)
And yeah... the logistics of reprinting an entire Adventure Path are a lot more complicated than they might seem. Maybe someday we'll do a compilation of Runleords or a revisitation, kind of like how WotC and TSR both eventually did reissues/reprintings of adventures like Temple of Elemental Evil. But we're still a few ways away from having the legacy and time and established tradition to do something like that.
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While I am quite honored and proud of the fact that Runelords is so popular and there's such a demand for it... there are plenty of new adventure paths for folks to try out as well. We do two of them a year, after all! :-)
I wonder if getting Burnt Offerings signed by you would increase it's ridiculous after market value. :)
I dunno, I could see the market value in having the entire AP reprinted in one volume. Didn't that get done with Age of Worms? How did sales on that do?
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I dunno, I could see the market value in having the entire AP reprinted in one volume. Didn't that get done with Age of Worms? How did sales on that do?
The only AP we ever compiled was Shackled City. Wizards of the Coast never approved an Age of Worms or a Savage Tide compilation.
The Shackled City compilation did pretty well, though... but that had about 70,000 additional words (about an entire volume of Pathfinder) added to the final product to expand the campaign and fix errors. With Pathfinder's APs, we've really gotten pretty good at doing Adventure Paths and there's not really as much of a need to issue a "corrected" compilation, so a compilation would really just be that... not much new material at all.
The REAL fear is that if we set a precedent of compiling and reprinting the APs as hardcover volumes that sales and subs for the AP itself would crash. And since we can't afford to do a whole AP at once as a single volume... it would basically kill the entire line.
... which, as you have said, is your prime income source. I understand. Still, I think if you delayed it by X amount of time you'd do okay. "Sure, you'll get a compilation of Kingmaker. It'll be available in 2020, ten years after it came out. Want to wait that long?" :D
That said, there is a correctability issue with older APs, in that they are written for 3.5 rather than PFRPG. But I can certainly see where that isn't a priority, since PFRPG is backwards compatible.
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... which, as you have said, is your prime income source. I understand. Still, I think if you delayed it by X amount of time you'd do okay. "Sure, you'll get a compilation of Kingmaker. It'll be available in 2020, ten years after it came out. Want to wait that long?" :D
That said, there is a correctability issue with older APs, in that they are written for 3.5 rather than PFRPG. But I can certainly see where that isn't a priority, since PFRPG is backwards compatible.
10 years is a long time... particularly in the RPG industry. Paizo's not even 10 years old yet. It's kinda foolish to make promises like "we'll do a compilation in 10 years," as a result.
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Hey,
I have one comment to you Mr. Jacobs in true Darth Vader style,"You have failed me for the last time." Joking, of course. Thanks for all of the input everyone. I figured as much already. When searching through eBay and Amazon people post ridiculous prices for these books. I have seen them for 40 - 120 USD per book! All is not lost however.
Have there been thoughts of publishing one of the adventure path books every two months to make one complete AP every year or is that bad for business? I assume it takes most people at least a year to run an entire campaign. It has taken me well over a year to complete Curse of the Crimson Throne and I play weekly or bi-weekly. Just curious about that.
Good Day
-Ryan B
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Have there been thoughts of publishing one of the adventure path books every two months to make one complete AP every year or is that bad for business? I assume it takes most people at least a year to run an entire campaign. It has taken me well over a year to complete Curse of the Crimson Throne and I play weekly or bi-weekly. Just curious about that.
The current model for releasing Adventure Paths is the best model, actually. It allows us to split each AP up into 6 payment installments for the words and the art... they're not cheap to produce, and a full AP done all at once would be hideously expensive to produce (and would likely end up having to cost on the order of 200 to 300 bucks, I fear).
Our goal is to keep ahead of the demand by making sure there's more APs out there than folks can play, to be honest. That gives people choices as to what campaign they want to start, and also helps to diversify the line; if you don't like the current AP, you won't have to wait more than half a year to see a new one. Of course, we hope you'll keep buying them anyway, which is why we put all those extras in them like new monsters and fiction and the like...
Darth who? Was he a bad guy from Babylon 5?
Darth Morden? I like it.
Our goal is to keep ahead of the demand by making sure there's more APs out there than folks can play, to be honest. That gives people choices as to what campaign they want to start, and also helps to diversify the line; if you don't like the current AP, you won't have to wait more than half a year to see a new one. Of course, we hope you'll keep buying them anyway, which is why we put all those extras in them like new monsters and fiction and the like...
I WAS wondering how everyone was managing to play through an AP volume every month!
Then again, I've managed to run exactly ONE session, total, since I started buying Pathfinder. I'm not very good at finding the right mix of my time and other people's :(
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Our goal is to keep ahead of the demand by making sure there's more APs out there than folks can play, to be honest. That gives people choices as to what campaign they want to start, and also helps to diversify the line; if you don't like the current AP, you won't have to wait more than half a year to see a new one. Of course, we hope you'll keep buying them anyway, which is why we put all those extras in them like new monsters and fiction and the like...I WAS wondering how everyone was managing to play through an AP volume every month!
Then again, I've managed to run exactly ONE session, total, since I started buying Pathfinder. I'm not very good at finding the right mix of my time and other people's :(
We also strive to make every volume of an AP simply fun to read. Personally... if someone buys a copy of an AP and enjoys reading and never uses any of the material in that volume in any game he/she runs... I count that as a success! Adventures that are more like giant recipes in a cookbook built only to be reference materials you glance at during play are boring.
Darth who? Was he a bad guy from Babylon 5?
No, that was Chekov, silly you!
We also strive to make every volume of an AP simply fun to read. Personally... if someone buys a copy of an AP and enjoys reading and never uses any of the material in that volume in any game he/she runs... I count that as a success! Adventures that are more like giant recipes in a cookbook built only to be reference materials you glance at during play are boring.
100% success on that front from me! I dropped my subscription after Second Darkness as I wasn't managing to play, came back by Council of Thieves as I missed my monthly reading.
It's kinda foolish to make promises like "we'll do a compilation in 10 years," as a result.
Not as foolish as declaring an event the "First Annual" something or other. :)