Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Charlie Brooks RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32 |
wspatterson |
I thought about getting back into Marvel/Avengers, but with Steve not being Cap, and with the latest swipe in Cap America, I decided against it.
They took a swipe at Cap?
I am hoping that given the events that have just happened, Zeus will show up and deal with Sentry is a permanent fashion. Zeus has been shown in previous stories to do things like that. And he probably really wouldn't care overly much about the rest of the fight going on, either.
Sentry is a character that the Marvel U never needed.
Lathiira |
I surprisingly don't have problems with the Sentry as a superpowered being with issues. My problems with the Sentry are A) he seems to be able to do anything he needs to except straighten his own mind out, and B) he's not just agoraphobic with multiple personality issues but suggestible in the extreme. I'd love to see him and Thor have it out, just so the god of thunder can pound some sense into him.
wspatterson |
I surprisingly don't have problems with the Sentry as a superpowered being with issues. My problems with the Sentry are A) he seems to be able to do anything he needs to except straighten his own mind out, and B) he's not just agoraphobic with multiple personality issues but suggestible in the extreme. I'd love to see him and Thor have it out, just so the god of thunder can pound some sense into him.
The biggest problem I have with Sentry is how they've had him kick the crap out of some of the MU's toughest guys without breaking a sweat. Early on, they had him take on Terrax the Tamer. Except, Terrax was currently a character in another title and nowhere near earth and this Terrax was going on and on about environmental issues.
Then he takes out the Absorbing Man like he was a chump. You can make the argument that the Absorbing Man, while having gone straight, could have fallen off the wagon. Like Marvel pays attention to continuity anymore anyway. But come on. He is not a chump.Then he rips the head off of Akuma, Sub-Mariner's villain, like he was popping the head off of a dandelion.
They've just done too many "Oh, golly gee willikers, ain't he tough and cool" stunts with this character. And the character is nuts. Seriously nuts. He is a serious cause for concern. Sure, the Hulk rampages around a bit, but he doesn't intentially kill anyone. Sentry willfully kills people as his default setting, and as stated, he's awfully suggestable.
Big Jake |
I love all the initial Siege stories and tie-ins. It has already gone in directions I wasn't anticipating, and I'me excited to see how this all plays out.
I think the next big event (and you know they have it planned) will be Sentry-centric and involve his putting down so to say.
Hmm. I kinda see Siege as being Sentry-centric (or at least centrique-esque) and I won't be surprised if Siege answers the "Sentry problem" by itself. Maybe he'll go back into seclusion.
Purple Dragon Knight |
2- NB uses this as an excuse to invade Asgard (i.e. "These Asgardians don't belong in Boxton Ohio / U.S. / in this world, blah, blah, blah.")
2.25 - NB gives some weird potion to Sentry, and Sentry finally lose it complety... the Void now controls him (i.e. the "good" side of the Sentry is dead as far as I can tell).
2.5 - During the invasion of Asgard, Balder and Tyr battle Ares shortly. Heimdall (the rainbow bridge guy, the all-seer) shows up and tells Ares that he's been lied to by NB, that Loki is working with NB against the Asgardians. Ares is pissed at NB. Tries to overhand-chop NB with his greataxe. Sentry uses his readied action to fly-bullrush-awesome_blow Ares out of the way. Ares scores a critical hit (x3 with greataxe, so ouch) on Sentry's midsection/torso. Some weird Cthulu-like tentacles spill out of the wound (perhaps the start of the Void slowly morphing Sentry's form into something hideous?) Next frame: Sentry pulls Ares apart (Spine, guts and all... this is the end of the god of war. Ares, RIP. We all knew you were doomed from the get go anyhow... :P )
3- NB and friends kick the crap out of Thor. Meanwhile, Ex-agent Hill quietly evacuates the body of Tony Stark out of Boxton.
4- Captain America (i.e. Steve Rogers - the real Cap) watches Thor getting a beating on TV. He's pissed. He gathers all the unregistered good guys / underground Avengers / Nick Fury, and they all fly to Thor's rescue. Last frame of the book shows the reflection of Cap's shield in NB's shiny patriot helmet, about to hit him square in the head.
Valegrim |
Nice recap; I wouldnt count Ares out forever; as long as there is war; there is gods of war; so Tyr and Ares and the rest will likely alway reincarnate/appear whenever a shot is fired in anger.
Still; with events as they are; I think Herakyles would get involved and am hoping for that to happen and hope he has his mace with him.
hehe is Sentry really Culthulu or however that is spelled; hehe; stay tuned True Believers hehe
Lathiira |
You know, I don't really get the feeling that the writers of Siege are really conscious of the super-human power of the Asgardians.
I'm getting that same idea. Baldur, Sif, the Warriors Three-they could personally beat the stuffing out of a good deal of the Marvel Universe on their own. Throw all the other Asgardians into this and it makes you cringe. I mean, Osborn only has 100+ superhumans or so and his Hammer forces...
On a related note, I think someone doesn't understand how Thor fights. He got injured way too easily. Getting hit by Osborn shouldn't have fazed him much on his worst day. He also survived a similar stunt during the Secret Wars where a bunch of baddies went after him. They didn't do well IIRC.
wspatterson |
wspatterson wrote:You know, I don't really get the feeling that the writers of Siege are really conscious of the super-human power of the Asgardians.I'm getting that same idea. Baldur, Sif, the Warriors Three-they could personally beat the stuffing out of a good deal of the Marvel Universe on their own. Throw all the other Asgardians into this and it makes you cringe. I mean, Osborn only has 100+ superhumans or so and his Hammer forces...
On a related note, I think someone doesn't understand how Thor fights. He got injured way too easily. Getting hit by Osborn shouldn't have fazed him much on his worst day. He also survived a similar stunt during the Secret Wars where a bunch of baddies went after him. They didn't do well IIRC.
According to the various and sundry Marvle resources through the years, the average Asgardian can press 25 tons. That is actually really strong. They have increased density, etc, etc. They've been showing HAMMER agents actually within arm's reach of these guys. One Asgardian who is actually within arm's reach of a normal human is going to cause a lot of carnage. I can see HAMMER being able to take on Asgardians, but only at a distance. And where are the Mandroids and Hulk Busters?
They just don't want to think too much about that big fight. They just want something going on in the background. And as for Thor, I'm inclined to agree that he's being portrayed as a bit of a chump, but they're using creative license to try to create dramatic effect.wspatterson |
Well, if I remember correctly, he was not so much depowered as he was brought back to pre-Odinforce power levels. Even that though is pretty damn powerful. The Secret Wars incident mentioned by a previous poster was with a "vanilla" Thor, i.e. no Odinforce.
My understanding was Thor was back to his pre-Odinforce power levels. Hardly a chump.
gang |
Regarding the Ares issue, in the Marvel Universe the Olympians are much closer to their immortality than other 'divine' beings from other planes. As such they are very difficult to kill. I'm sure the stupendously powerful Sentry could manage it but after the effort Marvel have put into making Ares important over the last few years I can't believe they'd let him stay dead.
Of course you know that his son (in Secret Warriors) is probably going to be the one that takes Sentry down, since his power set is one of the few that Sentry is vulnerable to.
Valegrim |
Look guys; way before Thor had the Odin force; he was one tuff guys; I can give you issue numbers; but he fought Hulk many times; Blaster; got hit my the celestial One Above All; fought Ego; Firelord; Terrax; Galactus, Hercules, Executioner, the Eternal Forgotten One (Hero), Glorian, various Trolls and Giants and hehe Demon Druid; who knocked Thor out like three times, and the Destroyer armor of Odin which is undefeatable.
These guys are nowhere near the guys that Thor fights all the time. And what is with Thor not doing a darn thing; he can do all kinds of blasts out of his hammer; hit multiple opponents; send people to other dimensions, is immune and refreshed by any lightning attack, can whirl his hammer around six times the speed of light and deflect just about anything; can time travel and on and on and on; and these guys took him down like a punk; bull! Like these guys hit harder than the Hulk or omg a celestial or Galactus and when Thor goes into his rightous rage; man; all his powers increase. Like any of these punks that attacked him could take on Sutur
Larry Lichman Owner - Johnny Scott Comics and Games |
I gotta agree with Valegrim on this. Marvel's punking Thor for some reason. Historically, Thor was one of their big 3 most powerful tanks (Hulk and Thing being the other two). Now, he's being portrayed as a big viking with a glass jaw.
Although, honestly, Marvel seems to have lost its way the last few years with the treatment of a lot of their core characters.
- Spider-man is rebooted using a silly storyline.
- Wolverine is unkillable thanks to his healing factor (although this has been retconned in a rather silly fashion to my understanding).
- Doctor Voodoo is the new Sorceror Supreme (!?!).
- Iron Man is irrationally destroying himself.
- And don't even get me started on the Red Hulk nonsense.
Turning Thor and the Asgardians into lame viking warriors just seems par for the course under the current editorial regime. Kinda makes me sad.
Jenner2057 |
Hey all. Just finished getting caught up on my Seige comics as well and thought I'd throw in my own thoughts.
This storyline is supposedly the accumulation of events that have been brewing for quite some time:
Civil War -> faith in the superhuman community is shaken
Secret Invasion -> sets up Norman Osborn to take power as a national hero
Dark Reign -> Norman secures that power
So with Seige I'm assuming Norman will be removed from power sending the Marvel U into a new age (whatever that may be). A good chunk of Norman's power comes from the support of heavy-hitters like Ares, Sentry and HAMMER. So now Ares is out of the picture. I -like someone else mentioned- don't think this is any way permanent, but he's out for now.
That leaves Sentry. I tend to think that a lot of the remainder of Seige is going to be about taking out Sentry and removing him from the Marvel U. Hopefully permanently but we'll see. (Man, I really hate that Sentry something fierce...)
So assuming that Norman smashes up HAMMER against the considerable defenses of Asgard (setting up Nick Fury to return with a reformed SHIELD) that would pretty well leave Norman without a lot of support to be taken down.
Just my crazy thoughts.
As for Thor getting punk'd, well I'm not a regular Thor reader. I always remember him being one of the BIG ONES as well (Pretty much second to only the Hulk). So I just kind of assumed that when he came back, he was at a reduced power level.
Kind of a shame I'm hearing he's still at least at his "Secret Wars" power levels (where I remember he was still kicking serious butt).
Overall though, still enjoying Seige thus far.
-J
Valegrim |
I think Marvel is doing this to Thor due to Hubris, in the last few issues of Thor after Odin died; he became the All Father and pretty much told the other pantheon dieties to shove it at their leaders of all pantheons meeting after he failed their entrance tests; he moved Asgard to NYC and went on a world wide quest to rid the entire world of dictators and hunger and war, but the mortals didnt like him cramming peace and honesty down their throats, he pretty much took rule of the world and while lots loved him for hit; lots more hated it and Loki brought it to a boil. So all this conspiring that is coming to head now more or less started back then I am thinking; so, Thor has always had a problem with hubris and stubborn pride and his powers are linked to his belief in himself; and since he was put aside as King of Asgard; I am thinking this weakness is due to his lack of confidence; always a major theme in the last 400 or so Thor comics.
This is, of course, me trying to make some rational out of what there doing over at Marvel, they may not be that clever and are just being punks; but I am trying to make it plausable in my head.
Purple Dragon Knight |
Just read more Siege... still boring except for one thing: Steve Rogers, Bucky and Nick Fury working together again. They've also thrown Spider-Man, Luke Cage and Clint Barton (Hawkeye) into the mix. Things have the potential to start looking good again... (and they also have Marvel Girl... so... powerwise they're fine AFAI can tell...)
wspatterson |
Issue of what? the Siege crosses over a lot of titles... are you talking about THE "Siege" title? if so, did it just come out in the last few days?
I only ever talk about the actual Siege title. Well, except for the occasional Thor issue. All those extras cost too darn much.
It came out yesterday.Valegrim |
I am all caught up; am getting all siege issues and all side stories; one thing that caught me though; maybe you guys could fill in for me; in Dark Wolverine; Osborne and some chick with the red hair who is sorta in charge an his chief advisor were having a converstation and she refered to someting in the past about how Osbourne and the Dark Avengers took care of or something like that with Molucule man; anyone have any details on that? I thought he was married to Volcana and living a peiceful life in Denver; he is like a young beyonder and on par with the Celestials; so I cant think of anything anyone on Earth could do to the Molucule Man.
ArchLich |
I am all caught up; am getting all siege issues and all side stories; one thing that caught me though; maybe you guys could fill in for me; in Dark Wolverine; Osborne and some chick with the red hair who is sorta in charge an his chief advisor were having a converstation and she refered to someting in the past about how Osbourne and the Dark Avengers took care of or something like that with Molucule man; anyone have any details on that? I thought he was married to Volcana and living a peiceful life in Denver; he is like a young beyonder and on par with the Celestials; so I cant think of anything anyone on Earth could do to the Molucule Man.
I did a quick online search and found the following info:
A series of disappearances in the small town of Dinosaur, Colorado causes Norman Osborn's (Dark) Avengers to visit the area. Sentry arrived first and was instantly disintegrated. Owen, isolated from everyone, has lost most ability to differentiate between hallucinations and reality, and secluded himself near the area he was born. After the other Avengers are defeated Osborn's aidé Victoria Hand convinces Reece to restore everyone and everything he destroyed and to stop being a threat, in return for being left alone in the future. The Sentry returns at this point, attacks the Molecule Man, and pulls him into the air, but is destroyed again. The Sentry immediately reforms, and takes advantage of Owen's distraction from an incoming missile to take control of his body. Apparently unaware that Owen had already promised to do so, Sentry tells the Molecule Man to restore everything or to be killed. After Owen does so, the Sentry regardless disintegrates his body in return.
This is supposed to take place in Dark Avengers #10-12.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Read the New Mutants/Siege tie in. While I was not a fan of the 'Dani screws up, again' aspects, it was nice to see a) Dani out kicking butt and b) that the Valkyrie recognize her as a sister still.
Valegrim |
hmm; thanks, seems like the writers dont know what to do with Reese. I am skeptical of molecule man being disintegrated for real; could very well be a hoax Reese pulled to keep Sentry from destroying the planet; or at least I can hope; lol.
Valegrim wrote:I am all caught up; am getting all siege issues and all side stories; one thing that caught me though; maybe you guys could fill in for me; in Dark Wolverine; Osborne and some chick with the red hair who is sorta in charge an his chief advisor were having a converstation and she refered to someting in the past about how Osbourne and the Dark Avengers took care of or something like that with Molucule man; anyone have any details on that? I thought he was married to Volcana and living a peiceful life in Denver; he is like a young beyonder and on par with the Celestials; so I cant think of anything anyone on Earth could do to the Molucule Man.I did a quick online search and found the following info:
Wikipedia wrote:A series of disappearances in the small town of Dinosaur, Colorado causes Norman Osborn's (Dark) Avengers to visit the area. Sentry arrived first and was instantly disintegrated. Owen, isolated from everyone, has lost most ability to differentiate between hallucinations and reality, and secluded himself near the area he was born. After the other Avengers are defeated Osborn's aidé Victoria Hand convinces Reece to restore everyone and everything he destroyed and to stop being a threat, in return for being left alone in the future. The Sentry returns at this point, attacks the Molecule Man, and pulls him into the air, but is destroyed again. The Sentry immediately reforms, and takes advantage of Owen's distraction from an incoming missile to take control of his body. Apparently unaware that Owen had already promised to do so, Sentry tells the Molecule Man to restore everything or to be killed. After Owen does so, the Sentry regardless disintegrates his body in return.This is supposed to take place in Dark Avengers #10-12.
Purple Dragon Knight |
hehe; so Ares had two sons; Phobos and Diemos; that is; Fear and Frenzy; the Sons of War; now we saw one; where is the other? I thought they were twins and were always together.
was it phobos or diemos who invaded the White House and killed all of Obama's secret service? this was more like diemos than phobos IMO... 'cause phobos could just walk in and have everybody flee within seconds...
Valegrim |
it was Fear; so Phobos like Castor said; but he didnt use any fear; just combat ability; which I thought was weird; hehe was funny, though he left a lot of them alive; he said something like "I thought you secret servic guys were supposed to be tuff" made me chuckle.
Valegrim wrote:hehe; so Ares had two sons; Phobos and Diemos; that is; Fear and Frenzy; the Sons of War; now we saw one; where is the other? I thought they were twins and were always together.was it phobos or diemos who invaded the White House and killed all of Obama's secret service? this was more like diemos than phobos IMO... 'cause phobos could just walk in and have everybody flee within seconds...
VM mercenario |
so Ares had two sons; Phobos and Diemos; that is; Fear and Frenzy; the Sons of War; now we saw one; where is the other? I thought they were twins and were always together.
Hoo boy that's a hairy one, you sure you want an answer? OK then...
Phobos(Fear) and Deimos(Terror, note the spelling) are Ares sons with Aphrodite, in Marvel continuity they became supervillains for a while together with Ares. They fought against Hercules, Thor, the Avengers, and others. Both Phobos and Deimos died at some point.
The new kid was born recently after Ares exiled himself from Olypus, and is probably only a half god. In the Ares mini-series he was stolen by a japanese god during a war between the japanese and greek pantheons, and was braiwashed and trained to be a god of war so he could kill both his dad and his granddad (Ares and Zeus). Ares managed to break the braiwash and together they defeated the japanese god.
He gained his fear power and the Phobos codename on the Secret Warriors comics, but he is not the same Phobos from the miths.
Also Deimos had pretty much the same powers as Phobos, but people remember phobos better because the association with "phobya"
Purple Dragon Knight |
it was Fear; so Phobos like Castor said; but he didnt use any fear; just combat ability;
that confused the heck out of me, as I thought he was just a regular weak kid with a DC 60 twenty foot radius fear aura (with "selective panick" feat, i.e. exclude allies)
I guess that's what you get when you hang around Nick Fury for more than a minute (i.e. insta boost of 20 fighter levels... LOL!)
winter_soldier |
Matthew Morris wrote:I thought about getting back into Marvel/Avengers, but with Steve not being Cap, and with the latest swipe in Cap America, I decided against it.They took a swipe at Cap?
Sentry is a character that the Marvel U never needed.
No, that's just more Critical Research Failure because of the whole sign mistake a few issues ago in Captain America.
So, the end of Siege was pretty abysmal. There's some good stuff (Steve Rogers is the new Nick Fury, Thor kills the Sentry). But, the execution of Siege #4 is pretty terrible, and Sentry: Fallen Sun? One of the worst single issues I've read in years......editorial is clearly asleep at the wheel.
Paul Watson |
If you don't mind me asking what gig you feel was wrong with Siege 4 I actually felt it was pretty good.
Ok. A couple of things:
Pacing.
A big battle where it's more talking than action. This is why I dropped New Avengers and why I'm leery of the new Avengers.
Thor flying into space, stopping dead and letting the body fall into the Sun.
The Void going from impossible to hurt to "one lightning bolt and he's a crispy skeleton".
Being fairly unclear what the hell was going on most of the time.
Osborne clocking Steve with a rock. Seriously??
But I wasn't enamoured of the whole mini-series, or the previous few years of Bendis' writing so take them with a pinch of salt.
wspatterson |
Kevin Mack wrote:If you don't mind me asking what gig you feel was wrong with Siege 4 I actually felt it was pretty good.Ok. A couple of things:
** spoiler omitted **But I wasn't enamoured of the whole mini-series, or the previous few years of Bendis' writing so take them with a pinch of salt.
Let us not forget that Norman Osborne is super-strong.