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All that said... IF/ when IE is released with HTML 5 support I will be super happy. Web designers everywhere will rejoice!Only a little bit...
Just because the effect of the change isn't immediate doesn't mean it's not a great thing. Right now I develop stuff for everything, then IE, then I put a few backwards hacks in to make it acceptable under IE6. In fact the development I do we can safely ignore ie6 entirely as long as we support 7 and 8. We have a small client base and while we couldn't say "No IE" we can get away with saying "Modern versions of IE only".
So, web developers should still be coding with IE6 in mind. Not that I suggest they do.
I suspect many web developers are treating IE6 like the second class browser it is.
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Hey, I never said it was fair, I said it was manufacturer sponsored ;)
You posted it as a comparison which implies there is an actual product to back it up.
Having said that though, unfortunately for the purposes of my experience Chrome and Opera are pretty much irrelevant. With few exceptions, I've seen only a handful of vertical web based applications designed with them in mind. Public consumption is another thing altogether.
Meh... Corporate world is it's own place. The schism between consumer purchasing and what is done in corporate America has grown tremendously over the past 5 years. They are almost completely different markets entirely now. Whether Microsoft owns corporate America or not has become irrelevant to the rest of society. If you are developing for that market or you are in a corporate environment you need to think in those terms*. Meanwhile the rest of the world is moving on.
The measures of total desktop penetration are skewed massively in Microsoft's favor because of that. Apple's market share is much higher in the consumer markets and they seriously kicked Microsoft's ass in everything that is mobile. Microsoft has been cranking out smart phones for 5?10 years and in 2 years the iPhone has clearly stomped all of their progress in that market. Microsoft has been making tablets for years and I suspect Apple will ship more iPads in the next 6 months than Microsoft ever sold.
The consumer space is where all this is happening, the battle is on Youtube and Facebook, not on vertical corporate apps. Corporate America is a spectator in this show.
True enough, but given Apple's market share of what ... sliding between around 6 and 8%?
I think you are missing the real show.
Apple is one of the biggest seller of PCs in the country and they make by far more money off selling Macs than any of their competitors. Apple dominates the high margin premium products which all the other PC makers are drooling over and trying to emulate.
Again, it's not about corporate America right now, Microsoft OWNs corporate America. The problem is the corporate markets are slow moving and very much locked into longer term solutions. In the consumer space Apple, Chrome, Firefox are very much relevant and eating MS's market share.
Edit: I'm not trying to say Corp America isn't relevant, just that it's not contested. The battle is in the consumer space.
Safari fixes one of the longest running vulnerabilities in browsing.
Good on Apple!
Apple uses open source code in Safari.
It would have been nice if they made a more public acknowledgment of the source.
Internet Explorer Platform Preview I have no idea how feature complete it is because the only Windows system I have is XP.
Used to run XP for a long time, too. Now it's Vista, because when I bought this machine, it was shortly before Win7 came out so I had to run something until I could get 7 (there were RCs for 7, and people I knew where already lauding it, but I preferred to wait), XPs 64 bit version has a really bad reputation, and I could get Vista with a free update to 7.
Now if I can only force myself to install 7...
IE6 still has a good deal of the market share
Isn't that true. It's the only approved "browser" we can run on our machines.
It's bad enough we have to use IE instead of Opera or Firefox, but this dinosaur? It doesn't even support tabs.
Not that I want to waste my time on Facebook and Youtube during work, but sometimes you need the web for actual work, and it's always a drag.
Hey, I never said it was fair, I said it was manufacturer sponsored ;)You posted it as a comparison which implies there is an actual product to back it up.
Yeah, at first I was surprised at that compatibility chart.
Let's do that again when they release IE9, and compare it to the versions of Opera, FF, and the rest that will be current then.
Wired article distrusts Apples' motive for Safari Reader.
Another article against Apples' HTML5 showcase, this one reports about another persons' rant.
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Apple uses open source code in Safari.
It would have been nice if they made a more public acknowledgment of the source.
It's kind of funny that you say this because Safari has been OS from day one and in most of the communities where the word "Open Source" is meaningful it's well known.
Webkit, the main piece of Safari comes from the KDE KHTML, for a while they forked it but then eventually made their peace with the KDE folks and the KDE people adopted it.
Google's Chrome uses a fork of Webkit and writing sites for one is going to render nearly identical in the other. There are some very minor issues but they are largely the same.
I'm pretty sure some of Chrome's javascript code is making it into Firefox to help boost their javascript performance can't find a link right now.
Apple isn't the best member of the Open Source community but they do put a good amount of code back into the community.
It's kind of funny that you say this because Safari has been OS from day one and in most of the communities where the word "Open Source" is meaningful it's well known.Apple uses open source code in Safari.
It would have been nice if they made a more public acknowledgment of the source.
And you do not find it "kind of funny" that the writers of the original code didn't have a clue (at first) that it was their code that Apple was using, and that far too many people are attributing the feature to Apple without any mention of the source?
Because I do.
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And you do not find it "kind of funny" that the writers of the original code didn't have a clue (at first) that it was their code that Apple was using, and that far too many people are attributing the feature to Apple without any mention of the source?
Because I do.
I'm not sure where you get the idea the KHTML developers didn't know this. The developers Knew from the start. It's also prominently posted on the Webkit Open Source Page and as far as I know has been for a long time.
I've been a Linux/ open source geek for far longer than I have used/ enjoyed Apple's stuff, I remember that stuff quite clearly. It was a huge deal that Apple chose KHTML (aka Konquerer) over the Mozilla/ Gecko engine.
The thing with open source is the original developers may or may not get props. Tivo, Linksys, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon (Kindle) and many others drop Open Source software in without a lot of public fanfare. As long as they comply with the licensing that's accepted practice. Apple's been pretty forthright with regards to this.
Not only that but Apple has contributed a ton to KHTML. They've been one of the primary developers on the project for the past 7 years. It's as much their product now as it is anyone else's.
0gre, you are posting as if you think I am not aware of those things.
All I said was, it would have been nice if Apple had made a more public acknowledgment of the source.
The way you are posting, I think you took it to mean "g~*$**n Apple for ripping off Arc90 and not telling anyone!!!!"
It would have been nice. That is it.
What more do you feel you need to tell me about?
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No, to be honest I thought you were still talking about KHTML and didn't realize you were talking about Reader. When you posted a link titled "Apple uses Open Source in Safari" I didn't bother reading it because to me that is ancient news, Apple's been using it all along. My bad for not following the link but it wasn't labeled very clearly.
So just ignore that entire last post because I completely misunderstood you.
Yes, that whole situation is a bit funny.
What more do you feel you need to tell me about?
My cat is getting a little old, she falls off the table and we worry about her.
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Current support for HTML5 in various browsers. As far as I can tell it's not sponsored by anyone in particular and it seems pretty objective.
It also has a lot of demos where you can see a lot of the functionality that HTML5 and CSS3 are bringing to the table, lots of very cool stuff. It is pretty much the the showcase of HTML5 coolness that Apple's silly page should have been. Demos of open HTML5 audio and video, canvas animations, and SVG.
...because I completely misunderstood you.
I thought that might be the case.
What more do you feel you need to tell me about?My cat is getting a little old, she falls off the table and we worry about her.
Poor cat. Have you considered shortening the table? (Semi-serious)
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Apple adjusted its' developer agreement to 'nudge' developers to sign up for iAds.
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My cat is getting a little old, she falls off the table and we worry about her.Poor cat. Have you considered shortening the table? (Semi-serious)
Not an option. She seems to have a preference for the highest surface offered.
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Apple adjusted its' developer agreement to 'nudge' developers to sign up for iAds.
Meh. This kind of BS just bugs me. I don't think it's good for anyone, Apple included. Reminds me of the MS days where MS shifted into the mode of gearing all policies and products towards deepening their 'monopoly'.
I suppose as a shareholder it should make me happy that they are protecting their future revenue stream... but I think it's more likely to just lead to more lawsuits and trouble than more profit.
Not an option. She seems to have a preference for the highest surface offered.
"Safety rail" the table?
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Not an option. She seems to have a preference for the highest surface offered."Safety rail" the table?
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Yes I was quite disturbed to realize that Jobs only seemed to be considering linear resolution and not the angular resolution that the human retina allows. Fortunately, the physicist interviewed then went on to reassure that past the 326 ppi offered by the iPhone 4 it likely didn't matter and I felt better :)
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Not so much Apple as AT&T but they are joined at the hip.
AT&T's Gaping Hole Exposes 114,000 iPad 3G Buyers' Email Addresses
Oops! Early Apple adopters get shafted again.
Edit: Am I the only one that thinks a story that involves a group called "Goatse Security" should not have the words "Gaping Hole" in the title?
More people annoyed with Apples' recent developer agreement change. Googles' mobile advertising chief believes it is not in the best interests of users (or his work).
Not so much Apple as AT&T but they are joined at the hip.
AT&T's Gaping Hole Exposes 114,000 iPad 3G Buyers' Email Addresses
Oops! Early Apple adopters get shafted again.
I can see a new signature for spam: "This penis enlargment/viagra/loan ad was spammed to your iPhone" :D
More people annoyed with Apples' recent developer agreement change. Googles' mobile advertising chief believes it is not in the best interests of users (or his work).
One decision closer to forcing a DOJ investigation.
More people annoyed with Apples' recent developer agreement change. Googles' mobile advertising chief believes it is not in the best interests of users (or his work).One decision closer to forcing a DOJ investigation.
Greg
More people annoyed with Apples' recent developer agreement change. Googles' mobile advertising chief believes it is not in the best interests of users (or his work).One decision closer to forcing a DOJ investigation.Greg
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It's a weird situation. How can it be an anti-trust suit when there is no monopoly? They don't even have a 40% market share. They have a monopoly on iPhones? That's just ridiculous, akin to Dell saying they have a monopoly on Dells.
I think it's stupid for Apple to do this because it draws exactly this kind of attention but the DoJ should quit posturing over stupid things.
Gah stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, makes the brain hurt.
*Note I wasn't very happy with the MS suit and they had a much more convincing case for being a monopoly.
hey don't even have a 40% market share. They have a monopoly on iPhones? That's just ridiculous, akin to Dell saying they have a monopoly on Dells.
Well, maybe the DoJ believed the propaganda that each apple product is a class of its own.
"It's not an MP3-Player, it's an iPod!!!!!"
"It's not a PC, it's a MAC!!!!!!!"
"It's not a cell phone, it's an iPhone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"It's not a tablet computer, it's an iPad!!"
They want people to think that everything they does is unique and unlike anything those lesser companies do.
Either that, or competition law (antitrust law) isn't about monopolies, but about everything that tries to prevent or reduce competition.
Well, maybe the DoJ believed the propaganda that each apple product is a class of its own.
"It's not an MP3-Player, it's an iPod!!!!!"
"It's not a PC, it's a MAC!!!!!!!"
"It's not a cell phone, it's an iPhone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"It's not a tablet computer, it's an iPad!!"They want people to think that everything they does is unique and unlike anything those lesser companies do.
Either that, or competition law (antitrust law) isn't about monopolies, but about everything that tries to prevent or reduce competition.
IANAL, but I think there are laws aimed at both (maintaining healthy competition, and addressing any monopolies that arise anyway).
Another article on the same thing.More people annoyed with Apples' recent developer agreement change. Googles' mobile advertising chief believes it is not in the best interests of users (or his work).One decision closer to forcing a DOJ investigation.Greg
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Really not Apple, but it does affect them tangentially: iPhone/iPad manufacturer (Foxconn) restructuring. Seems to read as "downsizing."
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Really not Apple, but it does affect them tangentially: iPhone/iPad manufacturer (Foxconn) restructuring. Seems to read as "downsizing."
Foxconn + downsizing just means shutting down their suicide prevention unit :(
It appears Safari 5 is having some problems.
Y'know, I don't read The Register at all (except for the links here), so I've kinda been assuming they're a legitimate news organization. But when I see a headline that uses "fanbois" and "howls" in the same sentence, it really turns me off.
And I read Gizmodo...
Greg
P.S. Been using Safari 5 since it was released and haven't had a single problem.
IANAL
Is that iAnal?
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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I think it's stupid for Apple to do this because it draws exactly this kind of attention but the DoJ should quit posturing over stupid things.
This.
For as much as I think the iPad and iPhone are good products, I wish Apple weren't so f$%@ing greedy. This is their game to lose, just like the PC was, and they're going to lose it if they do the same stupid s&@$ they did then.
It reminds me of another company that produced a product I love, then decided to close it off and kill existing support products before introducing their own replacement products...
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It's a weird situation. How can it be an anti-trust suit when there is no monopoly? They don't even have a 40% market share. They have a monopoly on iPhones? That's just ridiculous, akin to Dell saying they have a monopoly on Dells...
I'm wondering the same thing.
Any legal types have an easy-to-grasp explanation?
It appears Safari 5 is having some problems.Y'know, I don't read The Register at all (except for the links here), so I've kinda been assuming they're a legitimate news organization. But when I see a headline that uses "fanbois" and "howls" in the same sentence, it really turns me off.
And I read Gizmodo...
Greg
I am guessing you are turned off by most news outlets then, if sensationalized headlines meant to grab attention turn you off. And I mean that as a comment against the state of news reporting, not your opinions.
P.S. Been using Safari 5 since it was released and haven't had a single problem.
That is the thing with software issues. Some people will never suffer the problem, while others always will. Take Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, for example. Some people do not have any problems installing and running it on Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit, and others have it crash every time (like me).
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iPhone 4 to be released at Wal Mart too.
Apple is letting a lot of people get in on "opening day." That is a strange move for them. I am curious why the change.
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It appears Safari 5 is having some problems.Y'know, I don't read The Register at all (except for the links here), so I've kinda been assuming they're a legitimate news organization. But when I see a headline that uses "fanbois" and "howls" in the same sentence, it really turns me off.
The Register is very tongue in cheek about everything but they tend to be one of the most fair handed of the tech reporting sites out there because they are consistently cynical and critical of every tech company out there. Apple customers are 'fanbois', for a long time Microsoft was the borg, Google is the chocolate factory... they basically trash everyone equally and pick press releases apart.
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It's a weird situation. How can it be an anti-trust suit when there is no monopoly? They don't even have a 40% market share. They have a monopoly on iPhones? That's just ridiculous, akin to Dell saying they have a monopoly on Dells...I'm wondering the same thing.
Any legal types have an easy-to-grasp explanation?
There is no legal explanation, the DoJ is posturing for political reasons and nothing else.
Look at gaming consoles. Is it illegal for Nintendo to require everyone to license games released for it? Microsoft and the x-box? Sony for the Playstation? Commercial DVDs have to be licensed through the DVD organization, etc.
The only reason the Microsoft case had any merit at all is because they owned such a huge percentage of the PC market. The iPhone isn't even the leader in the smartphone space, Blackberry is.
The licensing thing is sheer asshattery at it's worst but it's legal.
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Apple is letting a lot of people get in on "opening day." That is a strange move for them. I am curious why the change.
Maybe this is their first release in a while where they are confident they can produce enough product to meet demand? I know with the iPad and several other of they big product releases they (apparently) had trouble ramping up production to meet demand.
If a new release is going to be really popular they can channel the initial surge of customers through their Apple stores increasing the profits of their brick and mortar storefronts. New releases that don't have that kind of pent up demand it's better to get them in the hands of as many retailers as possible. That's my theory anyhow.
It's a weird situation. How can it be an anti-trust suit when there is no monopoly? They don't even have a 40% market share. They have a monopoly on iPhones? That's just ridiculous, akin to Dell saying they have a monopoly on Dells...I'm wondering the same thing.
Any legal types have an easy-to-grasp explanation?
Look at gaming consoles.
Not nearly the same thing.
The only reason the Microsoft case had any merit at all is because they owned such a huge percentage of the PC market. The iPhone isn't even the leader in the smartphone space, Blackberry is.The licensing thing is sheer asshattery at it's worst but it's legal.
That's for the courts to decide, I think.
I can see a case made for it: antitrust law regulates anti-competitive behaviour, no monopoly necessary.
I am guessing you are turned off by most news outlets then, if sensationalized headlines meant to grab attention turn you off. And I mean that as a comment against the state of news reporting, not your opinions.
No, quite the opposite actually. I can tolerate a heck of a lot. I just find the use of the term "fanbois" to be quite derogatory, that's all.
Apple customers are 'fanbois', for a long time Microsoft was the borg, Google is the chocolate factory... they basically trash everyone equally and pick press releases apart.
Fair enough. As I said, I only ever read what Disenchanter has posted, which has been almost entirely Apple related, so I wasn't getting the whole picture.
And, on the DOJ front, this. The analysts think Apple is riding a fine line, but haven't crossed over it yet.
Greg
Apple revises its' terms for the iOS SDK (again). The outright ban of interpreted code has been revised to allow some, but with written permission first.
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It isn't the same thing as gaming consoles because many of the big games are produced for all the consoles. The ones that aren't tend to be games that the console maker owns outright. (No Mario stuff except on Nintendo)
How is this different from the iPhone? A company can release an app for both the iPhone and the Android.
I'm not sure if there is much in game advertising on consoles yet but you can bet if there was advertising in games Sony would ensure they got a piece of the pie not MS or Nintendo.
Second, once you do anything with the internet, net neutrality can enter the picture.
#1 Net Neutrality is not law
#2 Consoles connect to the internet for P2P gaming and for surfing the 'net.#3 Net Neutrality doesn't have anything to do with this
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Take Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, for example. Some people do not have any problems installing and running it on Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit, and others have it crash every time (like me).
Turn compatibility mode to Windows XP; put checks in Disable Visual Themes, Disable Desktop Composition and Disable Display Scaling on High DPI settings.
Worked for me.
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I'm not sure if there is much in game advertising on consoles yet but you can bet if there was advertising in games Sony would ensure they got a piece of the pie not MS or Nintendo.
I don't know if it still applies, but when in game product placement started happening a while ago, it was the developers who were involved in the cost/return model; not the hardware manufacturer.
Take Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, for example. Some people do not have any problems installing and running it on Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit, and others have it crash every time (like me).
Turn compatibility mode to Windows XP; put checks in Disable Visual Themes, Disable Desktop Composition and Disable Display Scaling on High DPI settings.
Worked for me.
/End Thread Jack
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How is this different from the iPhone? A company can release an app for both the iPhone and the Android.My understanding is that any restrictions on game consoles tend to come from the maker of the game, and not the maker of the console. That might make all the difference in the eyes of the DoJ. Second, a possible investigation is much different than actual charges.
This is exactly my point. The DoJ is posturing for political reasons and that's it.