While pondering this question it dawned on me that the haunted curse is clearly the winning proposition for oracles who intend to multiclass into a spellcasting prestige class. That's because, unlike most curses that won't convey their various benefits as the character advances in a different class, the haunted curse grants extra spells known. Since virtually all spellcasting prestige classes are worded so that the character continues to gain spells "as if he had also gained a level in an arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before adding the prestige class" then it would seem that the character would similarly continue to benefit from haunted curse to gain new spells known as he levels.
I don't know if this is a good idea or not or if it's already been commented upon; I just thought I'd point it out so that it can be taken into account during the playtesting phase.
Doesn't work the way you think it does. Just as Sorcerers don't get their bonus spells known for going into a PRC, neither would an Oracle with the Haunted curse because that's considered a progression of the curse, not of your spellcasting ability.
It's my understanding that sorcerers do get their bonus spells known even when advancing in a spellcasting prestige class. A spell known is a spell known; as long as it'd be gained automatically by leveling in the original class (which would happen for an oracle with the haunted curse or a sorcerer with a bloodline) then it's gained along with all other new spells known when advancing in a spellcasting prestige class.
Doesn't work the way you think it does. Just as Sorcerers don't get their bonus spells known for going into a PRC, neither would an Oracle with the Haunted curse because that's considered a progression of the curse, not of your spellcasting ability.
Agreed. It says: "At 10th level, add telekinesis to your list of spells known." And under Multiclassing in the Core book, it says: "Note that there are a number of effects and prerequisites that rely on a character's level or Hit Dice. Such effects are always based on the total number of levels or Hit Dice a character possesses, not just those from one class. The exception to this is class abilities, most of which are based on the total number of class levels that a character possesses of that particular class."
So you get the bonus spell at class level 10, not caster level 10.
I believe that this has also been stated elsewhere on these boards. That was part of the reason for adding non-spell abilities to the 'pure casters' in the first place
I'd appreciate a link to such a thread because, having reread the relevant text, it still seems clear to me that a sorcerer would continue to gain his bloodline derived known spells if multiclassing. It isn't like a cleric's channeling or a druid's animal companion class ability; those aren't related to spellcasting. They're spells known and that's one of the key things called out in all of the spellcasting prestige classes' writeups as being retained from an old class.
Did I miss the boat on this one?
I believe that this has also been stated elsewhere on these boards. That was part of the reason for adding non-spell abilities to the 'pure casters' in the first placeI'd appreciate a link to such a thread because, having reread the relevant text, it still seems clear to me that a sorcerer would continue to gain his bloodline derived known spells if multiclassing. It isn't like a cleric's channeling or a druid's animal companion class ability; those aren't related to spellcasting. They're spells known and that's one of the key things called out in all of the spellcasting prestige classes' writeups as being retained from an old class.
Did I miss the boat on this one?
Here you go. "At 3rd level, and every two levels thereafter, a sorcerer learns an additional spell, derived from her bloodline."
This clearly states that a sorcerer learns an additional spell at 3rd and every two levels thereafter. It doesn't say character level it says sorcerer level.
From Dragon Disciple in PRD: "Blood of Dragons: A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline."
This even further illustrates the point as one of the Dragon Disciple's powers is their ability to add both sorcerer and dragon disciple to determine power from the blood line. It take class feature to allow this. So I'd say this just reinforces the the point that sorcerers don't get blood line powers which is include spells, blood line specific powers and blood line feats when muli-classing unless the class they are going into specifically allows like the Dragon Disciple does.
"At 3rd level, and every two levels thereafter, a sorcerer learns an additional spell, derived from her bloodline."
This clearly states that a sorcerer learns an additional spell at 3rd and every two levels thereafter. It doesn't say character level it says sorcerer level.
I'll admit that you make a good point but, in my mind at least, the standard boilerplate text from most spellcasting prestige classes would seem to supersede what you've quoted.
From the Arcane Trickster in the PRD: "She does not, however, gain other benefits a character of that class would have gained, except for additional spells per day, spells known (if she is a spontaneous spellcaster), and an increased effective level of spellcasting."
I don't suppose there's been an official ruling on this anywhere, has there? Admittedly I seem to be in the minority on this one and am likely in error. Honestly it hadn't occurred to me that it might be otherwise until I starting reading responses to this thread. The matter seemed clear to me before, but now I see that the text in question is somewhat unclear. Thanks for the heads up everyone.
Seems to me that spontaneous casters already get so few spells known and suffer already so many drawbacks when multiclassing that further gimping is just cruel. I'm just led to wonder why multiclassing is so heavily discouraged in Pathfinder...
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We went into a very long discussion about this in this thread.
Jason himself made it plain that the intent is that the curses are based off of levels of oracle in the second post.