paizo.com Recent Posts in My Mount The Eidolonpaizo.com Recent Posts in My Mount The Eidolon2012-11-15T22:19:37Z2012-11-15T22:19:37ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The Eidoloncphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#342010-01-17T09:25:17Z2010-01-17T09:25:17Z<p>We reached no such well reasoned conclusion.</p>
<p>Look, fundamentally whats going on is this.
<br />
You have several kinds of actions. You have move actions, std actions, swift actions, full round actions.</p>
<p>Usually you either take a std action (attack) and a move action, or a move action and a standard action. So you either attack at the beginning OR end of your move.</p>
<p>What spring attack lets you do is take a move action and an attack action - and let your attack be at any point in your move action.</p>
<p>Ignoring the case of an adjustment, as soon as you move you are EITHER taking a move action or a charge action.</p>
<p>Charges are not moves, moves are not charges. A charge is a special full round action that lets you incorporate an attack as part of the full round action. As soon as you TAKE a move, you •cannot• charge.
<br />
Look at the chart on page 183 where charge is NOT listed as a move action.</p>
<p>Your argument boils down to .. because I am moving while I charge, I should be able to make a spring attack.</p>
<p>By the same logic, becasue I am moving while my mount makes an overbear (free hoof attack) I should be able to make a spring attack.</p>We reached no such well reasoned conclusion.
Look, fundamentally whats going on is this.
You have several kinds of actions. You have move actions, std actions, swift actions, full round actions.
Usually you either take a std action (attack) and a move action, or a move action and a standard action. So you either attack at the beginning OR end of your move.
What spring attack lets you do is take a move action and an attack action - and let your attack be at any point in your move action.
...cp2010-01-17T09:25:17ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonQOSheahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#332010-01-03T15:20:50Z2010-01-03T15:20:50Z<p>Just remember, when riding a mount, don't forget Mounted Combat!</p>
<p>My Eidolon would have lasted at least one more round if I had remembered to use the feat.</p>
<p>•mutter•</p>Just remember, when riding a mount, don't forget Mounted Combat!
My Eidolon would have lasted at least one more round if I had remembered to use the feat.
*mutter*QOShea2010-01-03T15:20:50ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonEric Stipehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#322010-01-02T00:22:21Z2010-01-02T00:22:21Z<p>I would like to thank you all for helping me find the answer to my question. I'm glad we reached a valid well reasoned conclusion.</p>I would like to thank you all for helping me find the answer to my question. I'm glad we reached a valid well reasoned conclusion.Eric Stipe2010-01-02T00:22:21ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The Eidolonmdthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#312009-12-31T17:54:16Z2009-12-31T17:54:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zurai wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
<br />
Honestly, this is a silly debate anyway. Ride-By Attack is very nearly impossible to use, and the mount can make an attack as part of the charge and then move afterwards using Ride-By Attack anyway, assuming you can pull it off. </blockquote><p>This much we can agree on. Mainly because we disagree (as usual) on what is RAW and what is RAI. I see nothing in your arguments, all respect, other than your interpretation of the rules. Not hard specifics. It comes down to an interpretation of the rules. Unfortunately, in RAI arguments, there's no use arguing because it turns silly. One person says 'This is how the rules work, you are wrong' but it's really just opinion, not fact.
<p>Basically, it's going to end up being a GM call on whether they work together since there's nothing in the books (or FAQ or 3.5 FAQ) that I can find that addresses this. If you feel they can't be combined, great, rule that way in your games. If someone else feels they can, great, they can rule that way in their games. Like a lot of arguments, this comes down to RAI vs RAW, due to vagueness in the rules. That vagueness is there for a reason, obviously, although at times that vagueness gives rise to arguments that turn silly, as they usually devolve into a 'My Daddy can beat up your daddy' schoolyard thing.</p>Zurai wrote:Honestly, this is a silly debate anyway. Ride-By Attack is very nearly impossible to use, and the mount can make an attack as part of the charge and then move afterwards using Ride-By Attack anyway, assuming you can pull it off.
This much we can agree on. Mainly because we disagree (as usual) on what is RAW and what is RAI. I see nothing in your arguments, all respect, other than your interpretation of the rules. Not hard specifics. It comes down to an interpretation of the...mdt2009-12-31T17:54:16ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonEric Stipehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#302009-12-31T16:31:03Z2009-12-31T16:31:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zurai wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragonborn3 wrote:</div><blockquote> Is the Summoner using the charge action though? If he is not gaining bonuses from charging, there doesn't seem to be any reason it is not possible. </blockquote>He's using Ride-By Attack, so he MUST use the charge action. </blockquote><p>you <b>can</b> charge on a spring attack....Zurai wrote:Dragonborn3 wrote: Is the Summoner using the charge action though? If he is not gaining bonuses from charging, there doesn't seem to be any reason it is not possible.
He's using Ride-By Attack, so he MUST use the charge action. you can charge on a spring attack....Eric Stipe2009-12-31T16:31:03ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonZurai (alias of William Senn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#292009-12-31T05:11:38Z2009-12-31T05:11:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragonborn3 wrote:</div><blockquote> Is the Summoner using the charge action though? If he is not gaining bonuses from charging, there doesn't seem to be any reason it is not possible. </blockquote><p>He's using Ride-By Attack, so he MUST use the charge action.Dragonborn3 wrote:Is the Summoner using the charge action though? If he is not gaining bonuses from charging, there doesn't seem to be any reason it is not possible.
He's using Ride-By Attack, so he MUST use the charge action.Zurai (alias of William Senn)2009-12-31T05:11:38ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonZurai (alias of William Senn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#282009-12-31T05:21:14Z2009-12-31T05:11:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">mdt wrote:</div><blockquote>Alright, but what I'm not seeing is where it says a spring attack can't be part of a charge? The spring attack just says you move and make a single melee attack as part of your movement. </blockquote><p>With no feats, you have the following options if you want to move and attack in the same round:
<p>Use a move action and a standard action separately.
<br />
Charge.</p>
<p>Spring Attack adds a third option:</p>
<p>Use a move and a standard action as part of a Spring Attack.</p>
<p>Spring Attack does NOT say it can be used as part of a charge, and is very plainly intended as an alternative to charging, rather than a power-up for charging, which is what it turns into using your house rule.</p>
<p>—-</p>
<p>Honestly, this is a silly debate anyway. Ride-By Attack is very nearly impossible to use, and the mount can make an attack as part of the charge and then move afterwards using Ride-By Attack anyway, assuming you can pull it off.</p>mdt wrote:Alright, but what I'm not seeing is where it says a spring attack can't be part of a charge? The spring attack just says you move and make a single melee attack as part of your movement.
With no feats, you have the following options if you want to move and attack in the same round: Use a move action and a standard action separately.
Charge.
Spring Attack adds a third option:
Use a move and a standard action as part of a Spring Attack.
Spring Attack does NOT say it can be used as...Zurai (alias of William Senn)2009-12-31T05:11:04ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonDragonborn3https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#272009-12-31T05:04:04Z2009-12-31T04:52:27Z<p>Is the Summoner using the charge action though? If he is not gaining bonuses from charging, there doesn't seem to be any reason it is not possible.</p>Is the Summoner using the charge action though? If he is not gaining bonuses from charging, there doesn't seem to be any reason it is not possible.Dragonborn32009-12-31T04:52:27ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The Eidolonmdthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#262009-12-31T04:50:19Z2009-12-31T04:50:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zurai wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">mdt wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I'm afraid I don't quite see what your point is. The creature, the mount, is making a full move past the target. As he moves past, he is taking an attack as a spring attack. </p>
<p>His rider is using a free action to control his mount with Ride, telling him to do so. To <i>the rider</i> this is a charge attack because the mount is moving to the target and beyond. The rider can't tell the difference, and therefore the rider uses a different attack, <i>Ride By</i>. </blockquote>Incorrect. The rider and the mount both have to take the charge action in order to perform a mounted charge. </blockquote><p>Alright, but what I'm not seeing is where it says a spring attack can't be part of a charge? The spring attack just says you move and make a single melee attack as part of your movement.
<p>A ride by says you can make an attack as a normal charge while mounted, but then keep moving so long as you don't move more than twice your movement. </p>
<p>I'm not seeing anywhere where, as you state, it says one is a charge and one cannot be done as part of a charge. If you have a quote or something, great, but nothing so far except your own posts have stated a spring attack can't be done as part of a charge. I'm being serious here, I'm open to being convinced, but you need to actually quote some rules.</p>Zurai wrote:mdt wrote:I'm afraid I don't quite see what your point is. The creature, the mount, is making a full move past the target. As he moves past, he is taking an attack as a spring attack.
His rider is using a free action to control his mount with Ride, telling him to do so. To the rider this is a charge attack because the mount is moving to the target and beyond. The rider can't tell the difference, and therefore the rider uses a different attack, Ride By.
Incorrect. The rider and...mdt2009-12-31T04:50:19ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonZurai (alias of William Senn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#252009-12-31T04:45:32Z2009-12-31T04:45:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">mdt wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I'm afraid I don't quite see what your point is. The creature, the mount, is making a full move past the target. As he moves past, he is taking an attack as a spring attack. </p>
<p>His rider is using a free action to control his mount with Ride, telling him to do so. To <i>the rider</i> this is a charge attack because the mount is moving to the target and beyond. The rider can't tell the difference, and therefore the rider uses a different attack, <i>Ride By</i>. </blockquote><p>Incorrect. The rider and the mount both have to take the charge action in order to perform a mounted charge.mdt wrote:I'm afraid I don't quite see what your point is. The creature, the mount, is making a full move past the target. As he moves past, he is taking an attack as a spring attack.
His rider is using a free action to control his mount with Ride, telling him to do so. To the rider this is a charge attack because the mount is moving to the target and beyond. The rider can't tell the difference, and therefore the rider uses a different attack, Ride By.
Incorrect. The rider and the mount...Zurai (alias of William Senn)2009-12-31T04:45:32ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The Eidolonmdthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#242009-12-31T04:37:56Z2009-12-31T04:37:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zurai wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">mdt wrote:</div><blockquote>It's two different creatures using the feats, not one person using both. </blockquote><p>This is completely irrelevant.
<p>The reason that Spring Attack and Ride-By Attack cannot both be used in the same action is that Spring Attack is used <i>in place of a charge</i>, while Ride-By Attack is used <i>only when you charge</i>. You cannot both charge and not-charge at the same time. Spring Attack is a charge replacement — it allows you to move and make a single melee attack, but instead of the +2 to hit -2 to AC, you can move before and after the attack and don't provoke AoOs. It takes the exact same "action space" as a charge (a move action and a standard action), but is not in itself a charge. You cannot use both a charge and a Spring Attack because you'd have to have a full-round action, a move action, AND a standard action to do so (and you wouldn't meet the "must be at least 10' away" requirement on both charges and SA after the first one went off, anyway). </blockquote><p>I'm afraid I don't quite see what your point is. The creature, the mount, is making a full move past the target. As he moves past, he is taking an attack as a spring attack.
<p>His rider is using a free action to control his mount with Ride, telling him to do so. To <i>the rider</i> this is a charge attack because the mount is moving to the target and beyond. The rider can't tell the difference, and therefore the rider uses a different attack, <i>Ride By</i>.</p>Zurai wrote:mdt wrote:It's two different creatures using the feats, not one person using both.
This is completely irrelevant. The reason that Spring Attack and Ride-By Attack cannot both be used in the same action is that Spring Attack is used in place of a charge, while Ride-By Attack is used only when you charge. You cannot both charge and not-charge at the same time. Spring Attack is a charge replacement -- it allows you to move and make a single melee attack, but instead of the +2 to hit...mdt2009-12-31T04:37:56ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonZurai (alias of William Senn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#232009-12-31T03:26:19Z2009-12-31T03:26:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">mdt wrote:</div><blockquote>It's two different creatures using the feats, not one person using both. </blockquote><p>This is completely irrelevant.
<p>The reason that Spring Attack and Ride-By Attack cannot both be used in the same action is that Spring Attack is used <i>in place of a charge</i>, while Ride-By Attack is used <i>only when you charge</i>. You cannot both charge and not-charge at the same time. Spring Attack is a charge replacement — it allows you to move and make a single melee attack, but instead of the +2 to hit -2 to AC, you can move before and after the attack and don't provoke AoOs. It takes the exact same "action space" as a charge (a move action and a standard action), but is not in itself a charge. You cannot use both a charge and a Spring Attack because you'd have to have a full-round action, a move action, AND a standard action to do so (and you wouldn't meet the "must be at least 10' away" requirement on both charges and SA after the first one went off, anyway).</p>mdt wrote:It's two different creatures using the feats, not one person using both.
This is completely irrelevant. The reason that Spring Attack and Ride-By Attack cannot both be used in the same action is that Spring Attack is used in place of a charge, while Ride-By Attack is used only when you charge. You cannot both charge and not-charge at the same time. Spring Attack is a charge replacement -- it allows you to move and make a single melee attack, but instead of the +2 to hit -2 to AC,...Zurai (alias of William Senn)2009-12-31T03:26:19ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonEric Stipehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#222009-12-31T00:46:10Z2009-12-31T00:46:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">mdt wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I think there was some confusion. If I understand you correctly, your <i>mount</i> is using spring attack as it goes past. You, the rider, is using <i>ride-by attack</i> as your mount goes past on it's spring attack? </p>
<p>If that's correct, I don't see any reason the two feats can't be used at the same time. It's two different creatures using the feats, not one person using both. </blockquote><p>That's my thought. Thank you.mdt wrote:I think there was some confusion. If I understand you correctly, your mount is using spring attack as it goes past. You, the rider, is using ride-by attack as your mount goes past on it's spring attack?
If that's correct, I don't see any reason the two feats can't be used at the same time. It's two different creatures using the feats, not one person using both.
That's my thought. Thank you.Eric Stipe2009-12-31T00:46:10ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The Eidolonmdthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#212009-12-31T00:38:44Z2009-12-31T00:38:43Z<p>I think there was some confusion. If I understand you correctly, your <i>mount</i> is using spring attack as it goes past. You, the rider, is using <i>ride-by attack</i> as your mount goes past on it's spring attack? </p>
<p>If that's correct, I don't see any reason the two feats can't be used at the same time. It's two different creatures using the feats, not one person using both.</p>I think there was some confusion. If I understand you correctly, your mount is using spring attack as it goes past. You, the rider, is using ride-by attack as your mount goes past on it's spring attack?
If that's correct, I don't see any reason the two feats can't be used at the same time. It's two different creatures using the feats, not one person using both.mdt2009-12-31T00:38:43ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonEric Stipehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#202009-12-31T00:17:04Z2009-12-31T00:17:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zurai wrote:</div><blockquote>When one feat requires that you charge and the other feat requires that you do not charge, you need <i>something</i> to let them both operate at the same time. </blockquote><p>Still not sure where it says that.
<p><b>Spring Attack (Combat)</b>
<br />
Benefit: You can move up to your speed and make a
<br />
single melee attack without provoking any attacks of
<br />
opportunity from the target of your attack. You can move
<br />
both before and after the attack, but you must move at
<br />
least 10 feet before the attack and the total distance that
<br />
you move cannot be greater than your speed. You cannot
<br />
use this ability to attack a foe that is adjacent to you at the
<br />
start of your turn.
<br />
Normal: You cannot move before and after an attack.</p>
<p><b>Ride-By Attack (Combat)</b>
<br />
Benefit: When you are mounted and use the charge
<br />
action, you may move and attack as if with a standard
<br />
charge and then move again (continuing the straight line
<br />
of the charge). Your total movement for the round can’t
<br />
exceed double your mounted speed. You and your mount
<br />
do not provoke an attack of opportunity from the opponent
<br />
that you attack.</p>
<p>here are the feats, ride-by uses a charge, the other doesn't, the other limits movement, to normal move, the other limits it to double. why would i need a feat if i meet all the requirements. </p>
<p>i really do want a valid reason, currently i would say it's a dm call, i would allow it, as did my dm. if you and yours do not i have no reason to say other wise.</p>Zurai wrote:When one feat requires that you charge and the other feat requires that you do not charge, you need something to let them both operate at the same time.
Still not sure where it says that. Spring Attack (Combat)
Benefit: You can move up to your speed and make a
single melee attack without provoking any attacks of
opportunity from the target of your attack. You can move
both before and after the attack, but you must move at
least 10 feet before the attack and the total distance...Eric Stipe2009-12-31T00:17:03ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonZurai (alias of William Senn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#192009-12-30T23:58:08Z2009-12-30T23:58:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Stipe wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Zurai wrote:</div><blockquote><p> What feat lets you use Spring Attack and Ride-By-Attack simultaneously?</p>
<p>The answer to both is "no such feat exists". </blockquote>I didn't know you needed a feat to use other feats at the same time? can you use weapon focus and weapon specialization at the same time, or do you need a special feat? </blockquote><p>When one feat requires that you charge and the other feat requires that you do not charge, you need <i>something</i> to let them both operate at the same time.Eric Stipe wrote:Zurai wrote:What feat lets you use Spring Attack and Ride-By-Attack simultaneously?
The answer to both is "no such feat exists".
I didn't know you needed a feat to use other feats at the same time? can you use weapon focus and weapon specialization at the same time, or do you need a special feat? When one feat requires that you charge and the other feat requires that you do not charge, you need something to let them both operate at the same time.Zurai (alias of William Senn)2009-12-30T23:58:08ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonEric Stipehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#182009-12-30T23:49:03Z2009-12-30T23:49:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zurai wrote:</div><blockquote><p> What feat lets you use Spring Attack and Ride-By-Attack simultaneously?</p>
<p>The answer to both is "no such feat exists". </blockquote><p>I didn't know you needed a feat to use other feats at the same time? can you use weapon focus and weapon specialization at the same time, or do you need a special feat?Zurai wrote:What feat lets you use Spring Attack and Ride-By-Attack simultaneously?
The answer to both is "no such feat exists".
I didn't know you needed a feat to use other feats at the same time? can you use weapon focus and weapon specialization at the same time, or do you need a special feat?Eric Stipe2009-12-30T23:49:03ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonNathrilhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#172009-12-30T13:47:08Z2009-12-30T13:47:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Epic Meepo wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">QOShea wrote:</div><blockquote>What feat lets you shoot arrows out of your nose? </blockquote>Point Blank Snot. </blockquote><p>Well done! That little quip made my morning brighter.Epic Meepo wrote:QOShea wrote:What feat lets you shoot arrows out of your nose?
Point Blank Snot. Well done! That little quip made my morning brighter.Nathril2009-12-30T13:47:08ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonZurai (alias of William Senn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#162009-12-29T22:37:10Z2009-12-29T22:37:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">QOShea wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">cp wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I'm surprised he doesn't let you fly, and shoot arrows out of your nose.
</p>
It is 5 feats after all.... </blockquote>What feat lets you shoot arrows out of your nose? </blockquote><p>What feat lets you use Spring Attack and Ride-By-Attack simultaneously?
<p>The answer to both is "no such feat exists".</p>QOShea wrote:cp wrote:I'm surprised he doesn't let you fly, and shoot arrows out of your nose.
It is 5 feats after all....
What feat lets you shoot arrows out of your nose? What feat lets you use Spring Attack and Ride-By-Attack simultaneously? The answer to both is "no such feat exists".Zurai (alias of William Senn)2009-12-29T22:37:10ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonEpic Meepo (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#152009-12-29T20:58:42Z2009-12-29T20:58:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">QOShea wrote:</div><blockquote>What feat lets you shoot arrows out of your nose? </blockquote><p>Point Blank Snot.QOShea wrote:What feat lets you shoot arrows out of your nose?
Point Blank Snot.Epic Meepo (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32)2009-12-29T20:58:21ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonQOSheahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#142009-12-29T14:31:42Z2009-12-29T14:31:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">cp wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I'm surprised he doesn't let you fly, and shoot arrows out of your nose.
</p>
It is 5 feats after all.... </blockquote><p>What feat lets you shoot arrows out of your nose?cp wrote:I'm surprised he doesn't let you fly, and shoot arrows out of your nose.
It is 5 feats after all....
What feat lets you shoot arrows out of your nose?QOShea2009-12-29T14:31:42ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The Eidoloncphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#132009-12-29T04:29:22Z2009-12-29T04:29:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Stipe wrote:</div><blockquote> So I talked to the DM. I told him all that transpired here. He said for a total of 5 feats (3 from the Eidolon, and 2 for me) that I can pull my move off. as long as i move no more than 40' on the eidolon and suffer the benefits and penalties of charging, i can ride by attack/spring attack a target. :) </blockquote><p>I'm surprised he doesn't let you fly, and shoot arrows out of your nose.
</p>
It is 5 feats after all....</p>Eric Stipe wrote:So I talked to the DM. I told him all that transpired here. He said for a total of 5 feats (3 from the Eidolon, and 2 for me) that I can pull my move off. as long as i move no more than 40' on the eidolon and suffer the benefits and penalties of charging, i can ride by attack/spring attack a target. :)
I'm surprised he doesn't let you fly, and shoot arrows out of your nose.
It is 5 feats after all....cp2009-12-29T04:29:21ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonEric Stipehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#122009-12-28T20:10:16Z2009-12-28T20:10:16Z<p>So I talked to the DM. I told him all that transpired here. He said for a total of 5 feats (3 from the Eidolon, and 2 for me) that I can pull my move off. as long as i move no more than 40' on the eidolon and suffer the benefits and penalties of charging, i can ride by attack/spring attack a target. :)</p>So I talked to the DM. I told him all that transpired here. He said for a total of 5 feats (3 from the Eidolon, and 2 for me) that I can pull my move off. as long as i move no more than 40' on the eidolon and suffer the benefits and penalties of charging, i can ride by attack/spring attack a target. :)Eric Stipe2009-12-28T20:10:16ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonAlizorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#112009-12-22T20:41:18Z2009-12-22T20:41:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Stipe wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote> My suggestion would be to get pounce on the mount and get spirited charge. This will let you do a ton of damage to the enemy before he even has a... </blockquote>why would i want pounce, the eidolon only has one attack? </blockquote><p>The assumption would be that you spend the one or two points for claws. If however you don't, then don't get pounce and you'll simply have to live with a ride-by-attack and only your character getting an attack. It's up to you whether you would rather spend the points on skill points or combat options.Eric Stipe wrote:Alizor wrote: My suggestion would be to get pounce on the mount and get spirited charge. This will let you do a ton of damage to the enemy before he even has a...
why would i want pounce, the eidolon only has one attack? The assumption would be that you spend the one or two points for claws. If however you don't, then don't get pounce and you'll simply have to live with a ride-by-attack and only your character getting an attack. It's up to you whether you would rather spend...Alizor2009-12-22T20:41:18ZRe: Forums: Round 2: Summoner and Witch: My Mount The EidolonEric Stipehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2k9yu?My-Mount-The-Eidolon#102009-12-22T20:25:16Z2009-12-22T20:25:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote> My suggestion would be to get pounce on the mount and get spirited charge. This will let you do a ton of damage to the enemy before he even has a... </blockquote><p>why would i want pounce, the eidolon only has one attack?Alizor wrote:My suggestion would be to get pounce on the mount and get spirited charge. This will let you do a ton of damage to the enemy before he even has a...
why would i want pounce, the eidolon only has one attack?Eric Stipe2009-12-22T20:25:16Z