Witch - Important questions about familiars


Round 2: Summoner and Witch

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I'm going to be running a playtest session involving a group of witches and a cavalier this weekend, and as I was statting them up I realized that either I've become blind or dumb as I could not find answers to these questions:

1) Is the familiar already included in the witch's CR (in the same way summoned creatures are)? Or do you gain XP for a familiar as if it were a separate entity? If so, since a familiar's 'effective level' is equal to that of the witch, is it treated as a creature of its "base CR" (1/4 for a rat, for example) or at the same CR as the witch?

2) Do familiars gain "extra" skill points "normally" as their INT score advances? And do they gain any additional skill points from their 'effective level' becoming higher (equal to the witch's class level)?


Asgetrion wrote:

I'm going to be running a playtest session involving a group of witches and a cavalier this weekend, and as I was statting them up I realized that either I've become blind or dumb as I could not find answers to these questions:

1) Is the familiar already included in the witch's CR (in the same way summoned creatures are)? Or do you gain XP for a familiar as if it were a separate entity? If so, since a familiar's 'effective level' is equal to that of the witch, is it treated as a creature of its "base CR" (1/4 for a rat, for example) or at the same CR as the witch?

2) Do familiars gain "extra" skill points "normally" as their INT score advances? And do they gain any additional skill points from their 'effective level' becoming higher (equal to the witch's class level)?

1.) it's a class ability so it is assumed to be part of the witch's CR. Just like spells, Sneak attack, or a Shadow Dancer's shadow are.

2.) Yes, and up to DM, the gain "hit dice related benefits" off of either their hit dice or the caster level which ever is higher... how your DM reads that tells is what it means. If he says it counts for save DC's (in the case of poisons), feats, and skills then yes -- if he doesn't then no.

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Thanks, Abraham! :)


No problem... that second one is a headache for many a table I don't mind telling you!

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