Can a summoner use the spell or SLA Gate to bring back a banished or dismissed eilodon?
I would guess he could, but check the material component. In most cases I would guess he would be better off calling something bigger and badder than the Eidolon.
Spell like abilities dont use material components.
Can a summoner use the spell or SLA Gate to bring back a banished or dismissed eilodon?
I think the next day rule is so the Eidolon has a chance to heal up again. Even if you find away around the intent to have him wait a day and call him right back nothing states that he auto-heals.
Gate does not work to retrieve the Eidolon. The Eidolon exists in the form recognized by the Summoner only when the Summoner uses his class ability to summon it. In its native plane, it's an entirely different creature.
I don't particularly see the problem Wraithstrike, your comparing getting your Eidolon back to calling a Pit Fiend or Balor (or The Angel that gets 17th level cleric casting)Can a summoner use the spell or SLA Gate to bring back a banished or dismissed eilodon?I think the next day rule is so the Eidolon has a chance to heal up again. Even if you find away around the intent to have him wait a day and call him right back nothing states that he auto-heals.
It(gate) was not intended to bring him back. I think it's also a measure to force the player to be careful with his eidolon. If the player could let him die, and call another one then why do something silly like use life link and lose hit points to keep the eidolon there? If that were the case I would just let him "die", and summon him with gate at full HP.
How am I comparing it to another outsider type?
I don't particularly see the problem Wraithstrike, your comparing getting your Eidolon back to calling a Pit Fiend or Balor (or The Angel that gets 17th level cleric casting)Can a summoner use the spell or SLA Gate to bring back a banished or dismissed eilodon?I think the next day rule is so the Eidolon has a chance to heal up again. Even if you find away around the intent to have him wait a day and call him right back nothing states that he auto-heals.It(gate) was not intended to bring him back. I think it's also a measure to force the player to be careful with his eidolon. If the player could let him die, and call another one then why do something silly like use life link and lose hit points to keep the eidolon there? If that were the case I would just let him "die", and summon him with gate at full HP.
How am I comparing it to another outsider type?
I was not asking if Gate would bring back An Eidolon if it "died". I was asking if Gate could be use to bring it back if it was the target of the spells Banishment or Dismissal.
I don't particularly see the problem Wraithstrike, your comparing getting your Eidolon back to calling a Pit Fiend or Balor (or The Angel that gets 17th level cleric casting)Can a summoner use the spell or SLA Gate to bring back a banished or dismissed eilodon?I think the next day rule is so the Eidolon has a chance to heal up again. Even if you find away around the intent to have him wait a day and call him right back nothing states that he auto-heals.It(gate) was not intended to bring him back. I think it's also a measure to force the player to be careful with his eidolon. If the player could let him die, and call another one then why do something silly like use life link and lose hit points to keep the eidolon there? If that were the case I would just let him "die", and summon him with gate at full HP.
How am I comparing it to another outsider type?
I was not asking if Gate would bring back An Eidolon if it "died". I was asking if Gate could be use to bring it back if it was the target of the spells Banishment or Dismissal.
I am sure the intent was only for the class ability to bring him back. Now if a DM want's to allow a spell to negate a class ability that is up to that DM. I think intent is important when deciding what should or should not be allowed. I think if he can be gated by the summoner then he can be gated by anyone.
As an example the Eidolon is dominated, the summoner send him away so he does not attack his own party. The opposing party uses gate to bring him back, and since he is still dominated he complies.
Now I would not allow gate to do that anyway, but for any DM that would he could use it against you.
Again, gate cannot function in this capacity, because Eidolons as summoned by the Summoner are not in their "natural" form. If you were to gate in whatever creature the Eidolon actually is, it would be unrecognizable and wouldn't be your Eidolon.
Again, gate cannot function in this capacity, because Eidolons as summoned by the Summoner are not in their "natural" form. If you were to gate in whatever creature the Eidolon actually is, it would be unrecognizable and wouldn't be your Eidolon.While I don't disagree necessarily.... do you have a source for this assertion as to the true nature of Eidolons?
It's not mentioned in the playtest pdf (that I could see)... did Jason say so in a thread or something?
It is in the playtest PDF:
Eidolon: A summoner begins play with the ability to summon to his side a powerful outsider called an eidolon. The eidolon forms a link with the summoner, who, forever after, summons an aspect of the same creature.
He doesn't summon the creature; he summons an aspect of that creature.
Zurai has been on a tear the last couple of weeks. I think he leveled up or something.
Yes, I know this. Sorry, I wasn't clear about what I was asking.
I mean, where does it say that the Eidolon won't be recognizable if conctacted by other means, such as gate?
Ah. You've got me there; I was stretching it a bit. Whether the Summoner recognizes it or not is up to the Summoner's backstory and the DM's discretion, as the rules are silent about what the Summoner knows about the "creature behind the mask" so to speak. Sorry 'bout that.
However, he can't summon the Eidolon with gate because gate would summon the real creature. Even if the DM has stats for the real creature, whatever it is, it wouldn't be the Eidolon.
Yes, I know this. Sorry, I wasn't clear about what I was asking.
I mean, where does it say that the Eidolon won't be recognizable if conctacted by other means, such as gate?
Ah. You've got me there; I was stretching it a bit. Whether the Summoner recognizes it or not is up to the Summoner's backstory and the DM's discretion, as the rules are silent about what the Summoner knows about the "creature behind the mask" so to speak. Sorry 'bout that.
However, he can't summon the Eidolon with gate because gate would summon the real creature. Even if the DM has stats for the real creature, whatever it is, it wouldn't be the Eidolon.
Thanks for the help. I was not trying to find away around a rule or someway to break something. I just wanted to know
Not a problem, Grog. It was actually a good question, made me think. There's only that one single seemingly flavor-only sentence to draw the conclusion off of.