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In doing some playtests for the upcoming summoner class I came accross an item I believe is an error. I am not sure if it has reported elsewhere but the monster "riding dog" does not seem to be of the same power level as the other monsters in the list.
It has 2HD, a better BaB, and a trip attack and seems to be significantly better than any other monster on the level 1 list.
for example here is the stat block for riding dog:
Riding Dog CR 1/2
XP 200
N Medium Animal
Init +2; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +8
Defense
AC 13, touch 12, flat-footed 11 (+2 Dex, +1 natural)
hp 13 (2d8+4)
Fort +5, Ref +5, Will +1
Offense
Speed 40 ft.
Melee bite +3 (1d6+3 plus trip)
Statistics
Str 15, Dex 15, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6
Base Atk +1; CMB +3; CMD 15 (19 vs. trip)
Feats Skill Focus (Perception)
Skills Acrobatics +6 (+14 jumping), Perception +8, Survival +1 (+5 scent tracking); Racial Modifiers +4 Acrobatics when jumping, +4 Survival when tracking by scent
Here are the stats for the wolf from the level 2 list:
Wolf CR 1
XP 400
N Medium animal
Init +2; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +8
Defense
AC 14, touch 12, flat-footed 12 (+2 Dex, +2 natural)
hp 13 (2d8+4)
Fort +5, Ref +5, Will +1
Offense
Speed 50 ft.
Melee bite +2 (1d6+1 plus trip)
Statistics
Str 13, Dex 15, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6
Base Atk +1; CMB +2; CMD 14 (18 vs. trip)
Feats Skill Focus (Perception)
Skills Perception +8, Stealth +6, Survival +1 (+5 scent tracking); Racial Modifiers +4 Survival when tracking by scent
The only thing the wolf has on the riding dog is an ac that is 1 better. The riding dog is in fact better offensively than the wolf (better attack bounus, and a better chance to trip).
Has anyone else made the same observation or am I making some sort of miscalculation. It seems it would be much better for a summoner to summon 1d3 riding dogs with summon monster 2, than it would for it to use any of the other quadrupeds on the summon monster II list.
any thoughts?
love,
malkav
In doing some playtests for the upcoming summoner class I came accross an item I believe is an error. I am not sure if it has reported elsewhere but the monster "riding dog" does not seem to be of the same power level as the other monsters in the list.
It has 2HD, a better BaB, and a trip attack and seems to be significantly better than any other monster on the level 1 list.
for example here is the stat block for riding dog:
** spoiler omitted **
Here are the stats for the wolf from the level 2 list:
** spoiler omitted **
The only thing the wolf has on the riding dog is an ac that is 1 better. The riding dog is in fact better offensively than the wolf (better attack bounus, and a better chance to trip).
Has anyone else made the same observation or am I making some sort of miscalculation. It seems it would be much better for a summoner to summon 1d3 riding dogs with summon monster 2, than it...
Its pretty common that not all summoned monsters are created equal. It is the case at every level of summon monster. They are usually in the same ballpark, but some are definately better then they others. You can have a look at treantmonks wizard guide and see what he has to say about the summon spells, it will give you better insight then i can about how some monsters that can be summoned are superior to others.
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It seems to me that the regular dog is the creature that should be on that list (it is in the same ballpark as the other entries). I was just hoping to ping a designer and see if it was something worthy of errata.
If its not then that is fine too (I can disallow as I please at my table).
love,
malkav
I agree; it makes no sense for the riding dog to be on the level 1 list and for the wolf to be on the level 2 list. The developers mentioned in another thread that they goofed and that the riding dog should probably bumped up to CR 1 (like the wolf).
If I remember right, the celestial riding dog was on Summon Monster II list, while Summon Monster I featured the Celestial (small sized) dog.
Was this a deliberate change?
Yes, Ant Drone sticks out more on the SM II list than the Riding Dog sticks out on the SM I list.
Heck, it's tougher than the Ant Soldier which is on the SM III list
Maybe they should have been reversed?
So did this change make it into the Errata???
The Ant Drone/Soldier has been solved.
Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook Errata:
"Page 351
In Table 10–1: Summon Monster, change “Ant, drone” in the 2nd Level list to “Ant, giant (worker).” Change “Ant, soldier” in the 3rd Level list to “Ant, giant (soldier).” Add “Ant, giant (drone)*” to the 4th Level list. Make the same changes to Table 10–2: Summon Nature’s Ally on page 353 (do not include the “*” in the Ant, giant (drone) entry on this table)."
The Dog/Riding Dog... not yet.
The riding dog? Not yet... this is the Paizo's PRD. I think these things take time... I've been building a set of spell cards for release, but I'm not sure if this issue will be changed or not.
The ants did get fixed thought...
EDIT: Ninja'd by The Wraith.
Nope. The riding dog is still there.
Nope. The riding dog is still there.
Actually, I thought it was changed to "dog" in the latest printing of the Core Rulebook even though it didn't make it into the official errata document.
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aye the latest printing of the Core Rulebook has dog instead of riding dog