Are there new spells in the APG that will also be on the summoner and witch's spell lists?


Round 2: Summoner and Witch

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It has been mentioned by Paizo employees that there are going to be new spells in the APG to allow the bard to be more combat-focused in case anyone wants to play a combat bard. Since we know, then, that the book will have new spells, is it fair to assume that the witch and the summoner will actually have longer spell lists than we've so far seen?

I'm play-testing a summoner in one of my games (I switched a 4th-level character built around a Pathfinder-converted battle sorcerer over because it honestly doesn't change anything about the way I've been playing the character [I mean, it makes him more versatile, but it doesn't actually take anything I've been using away from him], and I had planned on working the character into having a draconic familiar eventually anyway... so now the character has a dragon-like eidolon), and I'm experimenting with adding a few minor spells from the Spell Compendium to his spell list. I'd like to focus this thread around suggestions for Spell Compendium spells that would be class-appropriate for the summoner or witch. My thought being that the two of them almost certainly have other spells on their lists that we have yet to see published, and if we can give Paizo feedback on which Spell Compendium spells work well with the classes, it might give them ideas for brand new spells that could be part of the summoner or witch's lists.

I realize they aren't able to directly reprint spells from the Spell Compendium, but they could pretty easily work similar, or at least thematically similar, spells into the book, especially if there's playtest support to back them up.

So far, I've been using:

Nerveskitter
Swift Expeditious Retreat

for the summoner, and both seem really appropriate for the class, considering some of the ways it can be played. Actually, both seem pretty good for really any use of the class, but specifically for the way I'm playing him (as a replacement for a battle sorcerer, who just happens to have some cool summoning powers).

I'm also considering:

Wraithstrike

It seems really good when shared with a full attack pouncing eidolon, and the fact that the summoner has extremely limited spells-per-day, means it shouldn't be too powerful in my opinion.

What do other people think?


Yes, there will be new spells for the new classes in the book in addition to the core classes. Even WotC managed to get that one right ;)

(Incidentally, Paizo, don't forget the Adepts when you're making those spell lists!)


Benn Roe wrote:
It has been mentioned by Paizo employees that there are going to be new spells in the APG to allow the bard to be more combat-focused in case anyone wants to play a combat bard. Since we know, then, that the book will have new spells, is it fair to assume that the witch and the summoner will actually have longer spell lists than we've so far seen?

The summoner description mentions a "Transmogrify" spell, so probably.

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hogarth wrote:


The summoner description mentions a "Transmogrify" spell, so probably.

As long as the material components include a cardboard box, I'm good.

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