These Jacks are nice!
Let's go pay a visit! We can bring presents!
These Jacks are nice!
Let's go pay a visit! We can bring presents!
"Feel free to visit, you do like wine don't you? And you wouldn't happen to know the twins Emerala and Thistle Blosombottom would you? Lovely little kendermaids those two."
I also happen to agree with shadowborn. As a novel series it was brilliant but as a setting I refuse to play in a world where mages are treated so unfairly. Wear this color robe or DIE! WTF! As a aside my dragonlance knowledge is based from 1st and 2nd ed so if they have changed it I was unaware.Wizards wear there robes in the same manner that Clerics display their colors or holy symbols.
Many Wizards travel in neutral dress, there is no "wear this color robe or DIE".
The Wizards are proud of their order in the same way a Cleric is proud of his order.
Now this I am certain of while in game it may be a role playing thing to be "proud" of your order and so forth the mechanics are if you a wizard past 3rd level and you wear a robe not affiliated with alignment then the High Sorcery doom squad hunts you down and kills you. They do give you a chance to join but it's still join or die. Plus I as a player dislike the way only white mages get abjuration only black mages get necromancy etc.
I started playing in the realms and am used to a anything goes type of mage. I have had other people over the years extole the virtues of kyrnn but for me as a player I simply do not appreciate it.
Hi!
I'm Blisterthumb Bottomknot! And I'm here to spread the love of Kender!
Do you love Kender!? If not, why?
All I'm saying is give Kender a chance!
You seem like a very nice person... {starts pouring gasoline all over thread} and I'm sure you have the best of intentions... {rolls in several barrels of smokepowder} but you are a kender.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to see to it that you meet an unfortunate end. Nothing personal, you understand. {starts searching pockets for flint & tinder}
Hi!
I'm Blisterthumb Bottomknot! And I'm here to spread the love of Kender!
Do you love Kender!? If not, why?
All I'm saying is give Kender a chance!
You seem like a very nice person... {starts pouring gasoline all over thread} and I'm sure you have the best of intentions... {rolls in several barrels of smokepowder} but you are a kender.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to see to it that you meet an unfortunate end. Nothing personal, you understand. {starts searching pockets for flint & tinder}
*Chaos causes her to find a "Clint the Kender" keychain instead*
Nice key chain Mom. Truly chaotic.
You seem like a very nice person... {starts pouring gasoline all over thread} and I'm sure you have the best of intentions... {rolls in several barrels of smokepowder} but you are a kender.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to see to it that you meet an unfortunate end. Nothing personal, you understand. {starts searching pockets for flint & tinder}
*Chaos causes her to find a "Clint the Kender" keychain instead*
Nice key chain Mom. Truly chaotic.
AUGH! {drops it like a flaming bag of poodle poo} Where did that come from?! Kender's must have evolved some form of airborne baleful polymorph curse!
Hey PJS, did you have a nice Thanksgiving? Did you get enough to eat? You never call or write...
Hi!
I'm Blisterthumb Bottomknot! And I'm here to spread the love of Kender!
Do you love Kender!? If not, why?
All I'm saying is give Kender a chance!
You seem like a very nice person... {starts pouring gasoline all over thread} and I'm sure you have the best of intentions... {rolls in several barrels of smokepowder} but you are a kender.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to see to it that you meet an unfortunate end. Nothing personal, you understand. {starts searching pockets for flint & tinder}
Did you SERIOUSLY leave something important in your pockets?
I also happen to agree with shadowborn. As a novel series it was brilliant but as a setting I refuse to play in a world where mages are treated so unfairly. Wear this color robe or DIE! WTF! As a aside my dragonlance knowledge is based from 1st and 2nd ed so if they have changed it I was unaware.Wizards wear there robes in the same manner that Clerics display their colors or holy symbols.
Many Wizards travel in neutral dress, there is no "wear this color robe or DIE".
The Wizards are proud of their order in the same way a Cleric is proud of his order.Now this I am certain of while in game it may be a role playing thing to be "proud" of your order and so forth the mechanics are if you a wizard past 3rd level and you wear a robe not affiliated with alignment then the High Sorcery doom squad hunts you down and kills you. They do give you a chance to join but it's still join or die. Plus I as a player dislike the way only white mages get abjuration only black mages get necromancy etc.
I started playing in the realms and am used to a anything goes type of mage. I have had other people over the years extole the virtues of kyrnn but for me as a player I simply do not appreciate it.
Actually, the color doesn't matter. That's basically the uniform, they don't mind if you wear grey normally. But when you get to high-ish levels, yes, you do have to join or you're labeled a 'renegade mage'. I rather like the flavor myself, it's a lot like the 'dominant church' idea and is probably based on that.
{starts searching pockets for flint & tinder}Did you SERIOUSLY leave something important in your pockets?
I'm doing the best I can. I had to sequester my brains in a secret location to keep that darn Casper from chomping on my noggin.
Aha! {pulls out bag of stale circus peanuts} Augh, yuck! Where'd that come from?
Hey PJS, did you have a nice Thanksgiving? Did you get enough to eat? You never call or write...
Yes, it was a very good holiday for me, lots of turkey and pumpkin pie to eat.
And if I had thumbs I would call and write.
Now this I am certain of while in game it may be a role playing thing to be "proud" of your order and so forth the mechanics are if you a wizard past 3rd level and you wear a robe not affiliated with alignment then the High Sorcery doom squad hunts you down and kills you. They do give you a chance to join but it's still join or die. Plus I as a player dislike the way only white mages get abjuration only black mages get necromancy etc.
I started playing in the realms and am used to a anything goes type of mage. I have had other people over the years extole the virtues of kyrnn but for me as a player I simply do not appreciate it.
There are plenty of historic renegades, who have flipped off the conclave, and take an anything goes attitude (Raistilin, Galen Dracos, Fistandantilus, just to name a few).
Playing a low level renegade is risky, but can be great fun.
But some mages simply wait till their powerful enough to defend themselves from the conclave.
But if you don't appreciate the setting as a whole, that's fine.
Different strokes for different folks.
I personally was never able to drum up any real interest in Forgotten realms.
Hey! This reminds me of my Uncle Tasslehoff's friend! *wanders off, whistling, fidgeting with a brand new flint and tinder* I wonder who might have dropped this? And it smells funny in here...
I think I might have lost my Clint the Kender keychain too... *sighs heavily* I loved that keychain, it was so shiny.
Hey! This reminds me of my Uncle Tasslehoff's friend! *wanders off, whistling, fidgeting with a brand new flint and tinder* I wonder who might have dropped this? And it smells funny in here...
I think I might have lost my Clint the Kender keychain too... *sighs heavily* I loved that keychain, it was so shiny.
{goes looking for Magic Circle Against Kender wand}
{goes looking for Magic Circle Against Kender wand}
*is off on the other side of the thread, Kenderproofing... himself*
Ack! I'm... de-Kendered?...
Huh, I don't feel any different. But ... maybe I'm actually a Dwarf.
That means I need a proper dwarven name, and a beard. But I don't have those, so maybe I'm an Elf?
*shrugs and repeatedly casts Magic Circle Against Slaad on himself with a frog-handled wand*
{starts searching pockets for flint & tinder}Did you SERIOUSLY leave something important in your pockets?I'm doing the best I can. I had to sequester my brains in a secret location to keep that darn Casper from chomping on my noggin.
Aha! {pulls out bag of stale circus peanuts} Augh, yuck! Where'd that come from?
Yum! Circus Peanuts! My second favorite!
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{starts searching pockets for flint & tinder}Did you SERIOUSLY leave something important in your pockets?I'm doing the best I can. I had to sequester my brains in a secret location to keep that darn Casper from chomping on my noggin.
Aha! {pulls out bag of stale circus peanuts} Augh, yuck! Where'd that come from?
It's okay, I was looking for a meal, not a snack.
But if you don't appreciate the setting as a whole, that's fine.
Different strokes for different folks.
I personally was never able to drum up any real interest in Forgotten realms.
I couldn't agree more Nightree.
Everyone has their favorite settings and I'm almost certain it has to do with a good deal of nostalgia.
I have already stated the reason I am not crazy about krynn is the restrictions on mages but their are a few others like gully dwarves and kender, the big plus for me is minotaur mages.
The knightly orders dont appeal to any of the groups I have ever played with so they are a non-issue.
I am not trying to say one setting is better than the other(seems imature at best) but I am curious as to what it is about the realms that turns you off? I don't consider the 4th edition, lets kill all the gods part of cannon(yes I know it is but I dont play in it)
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I personally was never able to drum up any real interest in Forgotten realms.
Forgotten Realms.
And people like to bag on Dragonlance's novel franchise. I mean, seriously, R.A. Salvatore would have languished in obscurity if not for the Realms. And that gorram bloody *expletive deleted* RANGER!!!! .... And if you wait a minute, I'll tell you how I really feel about that *expletive deleted...statement redacted*
I personally was never able to drum up any real interest in Forgotten realms.Forgotten Realms.
And people like to bag on Dragonlance's novel franchise. I mean, seriously, R.A. Salvatore would have languished in obscurity if not for the Realms. And that gorram bloody *expletive deleted* RANGER!!!! .... And if you wait a minute, I'll tell you how I really feel about that *expletive deleted...statement redacted*
You're not alone. Just let it out...let it out.
Seriously. Nothing was harder than being the ONLY PERSON in high school who did NOT worship Drizzt/Salvatore. I still have flashbacks sometimes.
I personally was never able to drum up any real interest in Forgotten realms.Forgotten Realms.
And people like to bag on Dragonlance's novel franchise. I mean, seriously, R.A. Salvatore would have languished in obscurity if not for the Realms. And that gorram bloody *expletive deleted* RANGER!!!! .... And if you wait a minute, I'll tell you how I really feel about that *expletive deleted...statement redacted*
You're not alone. Just let it out...let it out.
Seriously. Nothing was harder than being the ONLY PERSON in high school who did NOT worship Drizzt/Salvatore. I still have flashbacks sometimes.
Hear, hear!
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Seriously. Nothing was harder than being the ONLY PERSON in high school who did NOT worship Drizzt/Salvatore. I still have flashbacks sometimes.
When I was younger, I read one of them. It was ok, I thought there was some potential. Then I noticed the other umpteen million in the 'series' and realized just how much of a sharkjump it was.
Soured me on the entire RACE of Drow and I was LOATHE to play a Ranger... Now that Golarion's come along and returned Drow to being cool again, I'm still gunshy. I got over the antipathy towards Rangers much more easily, thankfully.
Add in the rest of the epic, BS, iconic hooptyjoo fluffheads in the Realms (Elminster, Mystara, Midnight, Whiny the Poo, et. al) and I just NEVER want to DISCUSS the Realms. My wife has an even more knee-jerk reaction. All I have to do is whisper Faerun from 100 paces and she goes into an apoplectic rage.
I understand that 4E might have restored the shine, but I'm only willing to poke my head in if Drizzt is dead, Dead, DEAD...
*expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted* Twinkleshine froststar dual wielding ranger punk twerp *expletive deleted*....
Rar.
*inhale*
Ok, now I feel better.
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I personally was never able to drum up any real interest in Forgotten realms.Forgotten Realms.
And people like to bag on Dragonlance's novel franchise. I mean, seriously, R.A. Salvatore would have languished in obscurity if not for the Realms. And that gorram bloody *expletive deleted* RANGER!!!! .... And if you wait a minute, I'll tell you how I really feel about that *expletive deleted...statement redacted*
The Ranger is ok. the Fanbois of said ranger need to be flogged within an inch of their Twilight soaked stupidity.
$E, I am sorry 4E did not restore the shine. It put it in an acid bath and burnt away any semblance of the realms of old, for good or ill.
Seriously. Nothing was harder than being the ONLY PERSON in high school who did NOT worship Drizzt/Salvatore. I still have flashbacks sometimes.When I was younger, I read one of them. It was ok, I thought there was some potential. Then I noticed the other umpteen million in the 'series' and realized just how much of a sharkjump it was.
Soured me on the entire RACE of Drow and I was LOATHE to play a Ranger... Now that Golarion's come along and returned Drow to being cool again, I'm still gunshy. I got over the antipathy towards Rangers much more easily, thankfully.
Add in the rest of the epic, BS, iconic hooptyjoo fluffheads in the Realms (Elminster, Mystara, Midnight, Whiny the Poo, et. al) and I just NEVER want to DISCUSS the Realms. My wife has an even more knee-jerk reaction. All I have to do is whisper Faerun from 100 paces and she goes into an apoplectic rage.
I understand that 4E might have restored the shine, but I'm only willing to poke my head in if Drizzt is dead, Dead, DEAD...
*expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted**expletive deleted* Twinkleshine froststar dual wielding ranger punk twerp *expletive deleted*....
Rar.
*inhale*
Ok, now I feel better.
Whiny the Poo..HA!
The thing is, I kinda liked the Realms as a world. I liked the trilogies(Year of Rogue Dragons and the Unclean, Undead, Unholy series were AMAZING!), Erevis Cale, many of the stories in The Clerics series...almost everything NOT related to the Wizard or the Ranger. But up until recently, it was impossible to find people who actually knew anything about FR outside of these two iconic characters- or the particularly stupider members of the pantheon. Maybe it was less the world and more the fans, as a previous poster pointed out.
I understand that 4E might have restored the shine, but I'm only willing to poke my head in if Drizzt is dead, Dead, DEAD...
Mikhalia I understand your veiw and the fact is yours is a very common reason most folks dislike the realms.
I would like to invite you and any other non drizzt fan to read the moonshae series by douglas niles.
He wrote the first realms books before salvator became synonimous with them. Then explore the harpers series. Those are the real realms that I know and love not captain two-blades and his invincible battle cat.
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Mikhalia I understand your veiw and the fact is yours is a very common reason most folks dislike the realms.
I would like to invite you and any other non drizzt fan to read the moonshae series by douglas niles.
He wrote the first realms books before salvator became synonimous with them. Then explore the harpers series. Those are the real realms that I know and love not captain two-blades and his invincible battle cat.
Yeah. I think I'd like to play in the Realms, were it not for their iconics. The world seems really nifty.
Kender kender Oh how I loath you, but you little 'procurers of things lost ' make me so much cash!
*headtilts*
Hmm?
Yep
*shrugs and wanders off with a big foldy piece of leather, trying to figure out how it works*
Bring me back a plate of pasta, if you happen to chance upon one.
*rummages in pockets* *looks up and smiles* I know I've got something like that in here somewhere. *climbs INTO bag... returns a moment later with a sealed container*
That's either pasta, or Kitiara's underthings. I'm not sure where I found either, mind you. I'm pretty sure she just dropped them.
1st let me say bravo to the OP. kender are fantastic, fun to play and the best wild mages ever! As a dm, i have had a lot of fun pitting kender PC's against party paladins and it makes for a good laugh at the end. If i could find a DM that has not been driven crazy by a kender, i will play one again.
As for Dragon Lance and the Realms. Two very distinct worlds and i have enjoyed many novels from each, though dragonlance novels went a bit downhill for me after the original test of the twins. The take on mages was different and thats what made it fun to play.
The realms seems to be a big problem for people, and i'm surprised there's so much dislike. I have to give ed greenwood and all those who worked on the relams huge props. It's the largest most comprehensive fantasy world to date. It has undergone many changes over the years and has grown while still leaving areas untraveled. As a DM, there is as much history and back story as you could want, with soo much room to add your own adventures. I can only hope that Golarion can someday come close to the realms.
I forgot to ask, is there a place to get 3.5 or pathfinder rules for kender....I'm gonna try and sneak one in as my next pc. DM"What race are you?"
Me " i'm short like and look like a halfling, but with a topknot"
DM" NO!!!!
Thank the forces of Good and all that is Holy that Kender are not Open Content!Hmmm...Kender Gish sounds like a great idea, though!
In 2nd edition there was a Kender Vampire (as well as Dwarven Vampires etc.) I even used one against my players.
I forgot to ask, is there a place to get 3.5 or pathfinder rules for kender....I'm gonna try and sneak one in as my next pc. DM"What race are you?"
Me " i'm short like and look like a halfling, but with a topknot"
DM" NO!!!!
They're in the DragonLance Campaign Setting book for 3.5. Shouldn't be hard to homebrew-convert them to PF standard.
Species 7037 you will be assimilated
Your biological, technological and magical distinctiveness shall be added to our own
We will strip away your weak , flawed persona and bring you closer to perfection
Resistance is futile
Organic, Hermaphroditic, Overmind, Seeking Perfection. Contact Location: Planet Char
Organic, Hermaphroditic, Overmind, Seeking Perfection. Contact Location: Planet CharSpecies 7037 you will be assimilated
Your biological, technological and magical distinctiveness shall be added to our own
We will strip away your weak , flawed persona and bring you closer to perfection
Resistance is futile
LOCATION CONFIRMED. ASSIMILATION SQUADRON EN ROUTE.
Ohh kenders!!!
I like kenders. There are two reasons for playing in dragonlance: Kenders and Gully Dwarves. Forget Toon and Paranoia, best humor rpg is a game of dragonlance with a party of 3 kenders and one gully dwarf.
And no, I am not being sarcastic.
Organic, Hermaphroditic, Overmind, Seeking Perfection. Contact Location: Planet CharSpecies 7037 you will be assimilated
Your biological, technological and magical distinctiveness shall be added to our own
We will strip away your weak , flawed persona and bring you closer to perfection
Resistance is futile
We've found you, Overmind. Raynor's Raiders attack!
Ohh kenders!!!
I like kenders. There are two reasons for playing in dragonlance: Kenders and Gully Dwarves. Forget Toon and Paranoia, best humor rpg is a game of dragonlance with a party of 3 kenders and one gully dwarf.
And no, I am not being sarcastic.
No one has anything in their "possessions" portion of their character sheets. There's a piece of notebook paper with a list, and it's constantly being passed around the group; each item in the list has a name after it, and it's obvious it's been erased and rewritten repeatedly.
I find most people play kender badly, and that is why they have such a bad reputation.
A player, playing a kender should rarely if ever say they are stealing something, the DM should be letting the player know he stole something (probably right after the other player, evil cleric, mad lich lord, or merchant notices it missing, or sees it in the kender's hands / pouches. The DM should really limit the number of times it occurs; otherwise it just becomes an annoyance.
Kender will also not steal (handle) boring things like coins, unless they are unusual.
Not to say a kender may not deliberately steal something, usually on a suggestion of a fellow player character “Wonder if you could sneak up on that necromancer, and grab that bone wand he has?”, add "it sure looks interesting" if the kender has not started to go for it.
Remember, all kender are good, and typically a kender would never normally steal anything, in fact they practically blow out a vein in their heads if you call them a thief or pickpocket.
That being said a kender, Order of the Stars, Cleric of Fizban the Fabulous, first two skills they get each level are disable device and sleight of hand, and then they look at things like say Knowledge – Religion.
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Ah, kender...the emotionally unstable, kleptomaniac halflings brought to you by the same campaign world that gave us mentally retarded hobo dwarves, technomaniacal gnomes with diarrhea of the mouth, a god with Alzheimer's, and the draconians: villains who are more dangerous and annoying once you kill them. Oh, and iron pieces.
And yet they were popular enough that WotC essentially dumped halflings from 3e and replaced them with kender. Only they kept the halflings label, and 99% of players managed not to notice. Even the ones who badmouth kender.
Wah-wah wa wah-wahwah wahhhhhhhh....
{Propaganda-Canceling Earplugs cancel out all the pro-Kender nonsense, reducing it to indecipherable Charlie Brown's teacher sounds
...in fact they practically blow out a vein in their heads if you call them a thief or pickpocket.
Herr Vypre, I vmust thank you von zay truly wunderschön idea! {begins drawing up plans for Anti-Kender Sonic Embolism Weapon}
*a large explosion fills the top half of the room. From the explosion falls a white-robed kender holding a hoopak* And that is how to make the perfect ham sandwi...... Where am I? *starts digging through his pouches* I'm sure I have something to fix this....
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And yet they were popular enough that WotC essentially dumped halflings from 3e and replaced them with kender. Only they kept the halflings label, and 99% of players managed not to notice. Even the ones who badmouth kender.
Not sure about anyone else, but I do not recall WotC dumping halflings and replacing them with kender.
No, remember going on starvation diets, and exercise routines. At first it was hard going from eating as much as two humans to down to just a quarter of what a human eats. Just try eating 1/8th of what you normally eat in a day! And don't get me started on why I have to pay the same for my quarter sized meals and rations, as the fighter does for his super-sized ones.
But I like the new thinner me, and I am not going back, I have seen the artwork for 5th edition, and there is no way I am putting back on the weight, so I am going to stick with Pathfinder.
Wonder if I can get some kind of endorsement from Paizo for promoting Pathfinder over that other game, as if you go over you have to be a fat glutton?