Okay guys, this is is a tally thread for Paizo to get a good idea of how many people want the concept of an armored fighter/mage base class.
*Please Read Carfully*
If you do NOT like this idea, please start your own tally; this is thread is intended for taking count for those who like the idea, and posting opposing opinions and comments would be off topic to say the least.
This thread is also for us to narrow down and let Paizo know what type of fighter/mage we want, base attack (Full or 3/4), and what abilities we want.
I will follow with my own ideas.
The Tally Count
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To help keep track, please post the next number in the count, followed by your base alter-ego's name. So it would be like this.
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#1 Sir Hexen Ineptus
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If you post and number you will be counted, even if you delete it afterwords, so don't post if you don't mean it.
Good Hunting!
Ismellmonkey #4
#5 SilvercatMoonpaw
Someone just deleted theirs???Or does this mean it should be 6?
I'm voting because I like options, I don't care what kind it becomes.
The deleted post will be skipped this one time.
You are #5
Okay guys, this is is a tally thread for Paizo to get a good idea of how many people want the concept of an armored fighter/mage base class.
*Please Read Carfully*
If you do NOT like this idea, please start your own tally; this is thread is intended for taking count for those who like the idea, and posting opposing opinions and comments would be off topic to say the least.
This thread is also for us to narrow down and let Paizo know what type of fighter/mage we want, base attack (Full or 3/4), and what abilities we want.
I will follow with my own ideas.
The Tally Count
Via-Google DocTo help keep track, please post the next number in the count, followed by your base alter-ego's name. So it would be like this.
___________________________#1 Sir Hexen Ineptus
___________________________
If you post and number you will be counted, even if you delete it afterwords, so don't post if you don't mean it.Good Hunting!
#6 Mortagon
Full BAB
full caster level Divine spells at 1st level (limited spell list like sorcerer with half known or 1, 2, or a couple of Domains)Full BAB
full caster level Arcane spells at 1st level (limited spells list like sorcerer with half known or 1 school from Wizard spell list)
Interesting, but what about armor?
Armor Heavy, with Heavy Shields? Include Tower Shields?
Or maybe Medium Armor with just heavy?
Or perhaps a %ASCF reduction that progresses as they level.
P.S. are you going to add yourself to the tally?
#7 Inverse Rain
Full BAB Arcane caster focused on Evocation. Medium to heavy armor with reduced to no Spell Failure.
I'd have to disagree with full BAB with heavy armor and Tower Shields. Clerics don't even get that and we hear about how overpowered they are. Depending on how the spell progression looks I would say BAB on par with clerics makes more sense. If people are going to use the cleric as an argument for an arcane warrior class I think the Cleric should be a good comparison for how one should work. And arcane spell failure should stay in effect. Arcane is much more damaging than divine, no one can argue that. Maybe a lowered arcane spell failure than lowers with level, but should always be a possibility. We are talking about an armed, shielded, and armored arcane spell-caster here. It can't be completely without penalty in all aspects.
I wouldn't mind but it should be 3/4th BAB and along the lines of a bards casting progression IMO
Well here is my idea.
Base Attack, Full Caster Level, and Medium armor with Heavy Shields.
You could have a number of different schools you could chose granting different spells that grant abilities to par with the barbarian's bonuses but better because of the even more limited use and scope.
The spell list would be limited almost exclusively to their specific school they chose, unless it was the generalist, and each would have their own spell list.
Guys, I appreciate the feed back on what you want with this base class, but if you don't add yourself to the tally I really don't know if you are even here to be supportive of the idea, or if you are here for other reasons.
Count me in. #9. I always love to see new takes on the fighter/mage concept. It's a classic archetype of fantasy literature. The bard doesn't cut it in any way imaginable as a Fighter/Mage. My idea would be something with full BAB, and with a delayed spontaneous spell progression. I think the Spellblade class from the Tome of Secrets was a step in the right direction.
I agree, but that class had too good access to spells. Maybe if they restricted it to 1-3 schools, and others cost double the slots to cast?
#10. The class should allow medium armor (with no spell failure), no shield, average BAB, two good saving throws (CON & WIS), and minimal skills. Spell access limited to 3 schools (player's choice).
Spellblade was 3/4th BAB and a d8. It was pretty good though am not sure if I am ok with having all the spells from the wiz/sorc list but have not seen it in play so am not sure
This thread is also for us to narrow down and let Paizo know what type of fighter/mage we want, base attack (Full or 3/4), and what abilities we want.
I won't agree to something not fully conceptualized. If I disagree or feel I have a better idea than I'm going to voice it. If we are looking at people arguing for a full BAB, heavy armored, tower shield wielding, arcane caster with no chance of spell failure, then no, I am not on board.
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#11: Benn Roe.
* Full BAB.
* Full arcane caster level progression, but incredibly limited spell list that should include only up to somewhere in the range of 4th to 6th-level spells, and should feature primarily self-buffs (ie. shield and true strike), motion/cover related spells (ie. dimension door and invisibility), and damaging or debuffing spells that can be worked into a melee shtick (ie. shocking grasp and vampiric touch).
* Ability to cast in up to medium armour without spell failure (though not necessarily starting at 1st-level).
* Martial weapon proficiency and proficiency with all armour and shields (except tower).
* No bonus feats to speak of.
* Some way of infusing arcane energy with melee attacks, including the possibility of channeling spells.
* Good Fortitude save. Maybe good Will save also, depending on power level of other abilities.
* Intelligence as casting stat.
#12 Meatrace
Full BAB.
D8 or D10 HD all the same to me.
1 or 2 good saves.
2 skill points.
2/3 (bard) progression with very focused spell selection.
Smite-like x/day ability that adds dice of elemental damage which can be chosen on the fly.
All martial weapons.
Medium armor and shields, can cast in light armor with no SF chance, in medium armor with reduced SF chance.
Arcane bond for a chosen weapon at lvl 1.
Cantrips (heck why not!)
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Interesting, but what about armor?
Armor Heavy, with Heavy Shields? Include Tower Shields?
Or maybe Medium Armor with just heavy?
Or perhaps a %ASCF reduction that progresses as they level.
P.S. are you going to add yourself to the tally?
Not a lot of emotion on the armour, but I lean more to Light/Medium (no heavy or tower) to differentiate.
#13 James Risner
If you do NOT like this idea, please start your own tally; this is thread is intended for taking count for those who like the idea, and posting opposing opinions and comments would be off topic to say the least.
An actual pro/con poll would be more useful in order to affect Paizo. Personally I am indifferent.
Do we really need a poll? Make convincing arguments, don't count made-up names on the internet.
Yeah, a poll lets them know, to the best of our capability, how many like this concept of a character.
@Netromancer
This thread was not meant to narrow down what we want, but more of adding our 2 cent and add to the tally saying they want the Fighter/Mage concept. But to each their own.
An actual pro/con poll would be more useful in order to affect Paizo. Personally I am indifferent.If you do NOT like this idea, please start your own tally; this is thread is intended for taking count for those who like the idea, and posting opposing opinions and comments would be off topic to say the least.
If you want to start a con thread, that would be fine, but mixing them would be a bad idea as they can be trolls; and I don't have time for both at the moment. If they feel like they are up to starting their own tally that is fine, if they don't, then that just shows how they are not that adamant against the subject.
#14 Sean FitzSimon
I like options, and I think the blade mage is a good idea. The real problem I see is that many people want wizard/fighter, not combat-focused armored spellcaster. Something along the lines of the duskblade or soul knife would be wonderful.
An actual pro/con poll would be more useful in order to affect Paizo. Personally I am indifferent.If you want to start a con thread, that would be fine, but mixing them would be a bad idea as they can be trolls; and I don't have time for both at the moment. If they feel like they are up to starting their own tally that is fine, if they don't, then that just shows how they are not that adamant against the subject.
... Personally I am indifferent.
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#15 itsgottabeodin
* 3/4 BAB
* d8
* Full arcane caster level progression
* Player chooses only 2-3 schools, excludes all other spells or perhaps chooses from a selection of "Campuses" where his training would take place and determine some class abilities and which schools he can exclusively use (somewhat similar to the Orders of the Cavalier)
* Ability to cast in up to medium armor without spell failure (though not necessarily starting at 1st-level).
* Martial weapon proficiency and proficiency with all armor and shields (except tower).
* Some way of infusing arcane energy with melee attacks, including the possibility of channeling spells.
* Good Fortitude and Will
* Intelligence as casting stat.
Count me in as #15, but I'm already working along similar lines in a different thread. We ought to combine our works together. As much as I enjoy the character archetype, even I will admit that it's overproliferating the forums. :-)
Count me in as #15, but I'm already working along similar lines in a different thread. We ought to combine our works together. As much as I enjoy the character archetype, even I will admit that it's overproliferating the forums. :-)
We are at #16 now.
Unfortunately you would need to send your guys to my thread if anything. I have a responsibility to the tally count here.
Good luck though.
I would like to see both a 3/4 bab class with bard casting progression and a full bab with paladin/ranger casting progression. Arcane magic is my preference in dnd, i would certainly like to see more options for it.
I really don't like the idea of 3/4 base attack, personally. I fear the monk syndrome will happen. Where you have a ton of melee abilities but you can't hit worth crap to pull them off.