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I've been looking over the new Bestiary, and have some concerns. While trying to understand the new rules for advancement, I got into the question of how many skill points creatures get per level. So, with no table, I went to break down skills for a few monsters and see what was what. That's where I ran into a problem. Below is a monster that I've broken down skill points on, and it didn't add up. If someone can find the mistake please let me know. I've reverse engineered the creature, and came up short.
Acrobatics +10
Fly +5
Perception +12
5HD creature
+4 bonus to Acrobatics and Perception
Skill Focus (Perception)
Size Large
Ability Modifiers
So,
Acrobatics +10 (-4 for racial bonus) (-2 for Dex) = +4
Perception +12 (-4 for racial bonus) (-3 for Feat) (-1 for Wis) = +4
Fly +5 (+2 for size) (-2 for Dex) = +5
Assuming each skill is a “class skill” that means -3 to each.
Acrobatics +1
Perception +1
Fly +2
That’s only 4 skill points. A creature gets a minimum of 1 per level no matter now dumb they are. So, what happened to the last skill point?
I did the cloaker and bulette as well, and they added up.
Did I miss something with the Griffon? And, as per my original search, do we assume that the skills listed on the initial creature are all class skills?
Don't forget the size bonus/penalty to Fly.
clever way to rub in that you have yours already. Grrr. Amazon better ship before the November 12th date on their site.Oh no, I just have the PDF. The book won't be here for another few days.
Since you have the PDF book, what're the new linnorms might I ask?
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Don't forget the size bonus/penalty to Fly.
He's got that, and since the griffon is average maneuverability, that's no change either. I can't find anything else that would explain it, but it does seem that the Griffon is missing 1 skill point.
Assuming that this is an error, I'd add an extra point to fly.
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Since you have the PDF book, what're the new linnorms might I ask?clever way to rub in that you have yours already. Grrr. Amazon better ship before the November 12th date on their site.Oh no, I just have the PDF. The book won't be here for another few days.
As per the index in the preview: Crag, Ice, and Tarn. None of the standard ones, but at least they're in there.
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As per the index in the preview: Crag, Ice, and Tarn. None of the standard ones, but at least they're in there.Since you have the PDF book, what're the new linnorms might I ask?clever way to rub in that you have yours already. Grrr. Amazon better ship before the November 12th date on their site.Oh no, I just have the PDF. The book won't be here for another few days.
Actually.. they ARE the standard ones for Pathfinder. The linnorms from Monster Manual II are not open content, but the idea of a linnorm as a serpentine dragon comes from real-world mythology. We were able to do new linnorms from the ground up, but weren't able to grandfather in the MM2 versions.
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Actually.. they ARE the standard ones for Pathfinder. The linnorms from Monster Manual II are not open content, but the idea of a linnorm as a serpentine dragon comes from real-world mythology. We were able to do new linnorms from the ground up, but weren't able to grandfather in the MM2 versions.As per the index in the preview: Crag, Ice, and Tarn. None of the standard ones, but at least they're in there.Since you have the PDF book, what're the new linnorms might I ask?clever way to rub in that you have yours already. Grrr. Amazon better ship before the November 12th date on their site.Oh no, I just have the PDF. The book won't be here for another few days.
Ah, you are correct.
So, any idea on the Griffon skill points issue?
Actually.. they ARE the standard ones for Pathfinder. The linnorms from Monster Manual II are not open content, but the idea of a linnorm as a serpentine dragon comes from real-world mythology. We were able to do new linnorms from the ground up, but weren't able to grandfather in the MM2 versions.As per the index in the preview: Crag, Ice, and Tarn. None of the standard ones, but at least they're in there.Since you have the PDF book, what're the new linnorms might I ask?clever way to rub in that you have yours already. Grrr. Amazon better ship before the November 12th date on their site.Oh no, I just have the PDF. The book won't be here for another few days.
Does WotC have copyright over a two-headed linnorm, a gray one and corpse tearer? Maybe the corpse tearer, but I mean do they really have copyright of linnorms based on geographical areas like sea, swamp, flame, forest, etc.? An exact copy of it is copyright infringement I can see that, but what if you made the dread or gray linnorm but twisted it enough to make it Pathfinder's? They can't take any legal action against that right? It's like developing Mickey Rat instead of Mickey Mouse.
Not that we can't simply use the MM2 ones for Pathfinder, but it's strange to think they can lock you out altogether from developing your own version of those types of linnorms?
I've been looking over the new Bestiary, and have some concerns. While trying to understand the new rules for advancement, I got into the question of how many skill points creatures get per level. So, with no table, I went to break down skills for a few monsters and see what was what. That's where I ran into a problem. Below is a monster that I've broken down skill points on, and it didn't add up. If someone can find the mistake please let me know. I've reverse engineered the creature, and came up short.
Acrobatics +10
Fly +5
Perception +125HD creature
+4 bonus to Acrobatics and Perception
Skill Focus (Perception)
Size Large
Ability ModifiersSo,
Acrobatics +10 (-4 for racial bonus) (-2 for Dex) = +4
Perception +12 (-4 for racial bonus) (-3 for Feat) (-1 for Wis) = +4
Fly +5 (+2 for size) (-2 for Dex) = +5Assuming each skill is a “class skill” that means -3 to each.
Acrobatics +1
Perception +1
Fly +2That’s only 4 skill points. A creature gets a minimum of 1 per level no matter now dumb they are. So, what happened to the last skill point?
I did the cloaker and bulette as well, and they added up.
Did I miss something with the Griffon? And, as per my original search, do we assume that the skills listed on the initial creature are all class skills?
I can't get the crocodile to work out. Perception +8, Stealth +5 (+13 in water), Swim +12
He has 3 HD so 3 skill points, Skill Focus in Perception and Stealth, and a STR of 19. Perception: +3 for Skill focus, +3 for class skill, +1 for Wis bonus =1 skill point. Stealth: +3 for Skill Focus -4 for Large size, +3 for class skill, +1 Dex=3 not 5, Swim: +3 for class skill, +4 Str, + the 2 remaining skill points=9 not 12I dont mind..I think thats pretty spot on..except when you are trying to build your own critters..then its a nightmare. Anything I am missing?