Yep,
But you won't be happy, my Kobold lover in my game was unhappy. Not much changed between 3.5 and 3.P. Pretty much the same.
Not unhappy.
VERY unhappy!
They could have at least have included the claw/claw/bite natural attack, or a bonus to CHA for the best kobold spellcasting class (aka sorcerer).
As it is, I think they are the only race / monster with a total negative modifier. I'll know more when I order my copy of the pdf.
Orix the Kobold Marshal of Dooooooooom.
Yep,
But you won't be happy, my Kobold lover in my game was unhappy. Not much changed between 3.5 and 3.P. Pretty much the same.Not unhappy.
VERY unhappy!
They could have at least have included the claw/claw/bite natural attack, or a bonus to CHA for the best kobold spellcasting class (aka sorcerer).
As it is, I think they are the only race / monster with a total negative modifier. I'll know more when I order my copy of the pdf.
Orix the Kobold Marshal of Dooooooooom.
LOL,
Nice to see you J. Sorry Orix isn't getting any Paizo love.
Creative Director
|
Kobolds, like the rest of the Bestiary's contents, were designed to fill a monster role. In the kobold's case, that's "A monster that you can fight a LOT of even at 1st level." That means that, yes, they're pretty wimpy. They're not the wimpiest though... that award probably goes to the lowly mite.
You guys are still stalking?
So boring.
I'm practising metastalking these days. That's where you stalk a stalker. Very rewarding.
Kobolds, like the rest of the Bestiary's contents, were designed to fill a monster role. In the kobold's case, that's "A monster that you can fight a LOT of even at 1st level." That means that, yes, they're pretty wimpy.
Plus, they're Kobolds.
|
Kobolds, like the rest of the Bestiary's contents, were designed to fill a monster role. In the kobold's case, that's "A monster that you can fight a LOT of even at 1st level." That means that, yes, they're pretty wimpy. They're not the wimpiest though... that award probably goes to the lowly mite.
Can they still choose the bloodlines from Classic Monsters?
|
Director of Brand Strategy
|
Kobolds, like the rest of the Bestiary's contents, were designed to fill a monster role. In the kobold's case, that's "A monster that you can fight a LOT of even at 1st level." That means that, yes, they're pretty wimpy. They're not the wimpiest though... that award probably goes to the lowly mite.Can they still choose the bloodlines from Classic Monsters?
Why couldn't they? Including Golarion-specific content in the Bestiary might be unwelcome to those players and GMs looking to use the rules but not the setting. I don't see anything mechanics-wise about the PFRPG kobold that would prevent any setting material from Classic Monsters or any other sourcebook to be applied to them.
You want New Jersey? I don't think anyone's going to fight you for that one. Have fun!
I for one welcome our new Kobold overlords.
...
What? Jersey could benefit from Kobold rule, I think.
Give Newark and the tollway to the kobolds, but leave its many bucolic scenes to the fey and other good creatures.
The truth ain't hate.
[slight threadjack]
Hey, if you guys all live in New Jersey, send me an email at "dale c mccoy jr AT hotmail DOT com" (without the spaces) and lets see if we can get a game together.[/slight threadjack]
last time i ran into kobolds in a game they chewed our 8th level part to pieces
How did they ever get to level 8?
How did they ever get to level 8?
last time i ran into kobolds in a game they chewed our 8th level part to pieces
Not encountering well-organized kobolds, would be my guess.
Not encountering well-organized kobolds, would be my guess.How did they ever get to level 8?
last time i ran into kobolds in a game they chewed our 8th level part to pieces
Or anything else.
How often can you just kill tied-up enemies before the GM decrees that you don't get any more XP for it?
And the only thing more pathetic than kobolds are tied-up prisoners. And even then, not very powerful tied-up prisoners. Let's say, young goblin commoners.
Shooting fish in a barrel is harder than fighting kobolds.
Not encountering well-organized kobolds, would be my guess.How did they ever get to level 8?
last time i ran into kobolds in a game they chewed our 8th level part to pieces
Or anything else.
How often can you just kill tied-up enemies before the GM decrees that you don't get any more XP for it?
And the only thing more pathetic than kobolds are tied-up prisoners. And even then, not very powerful tied-up prisoners. Let's say, young goblin commoners.
Shooting fish in a barrel is harder than fighting kobolds.
Be nice. You don't know the circumstances. No, I don't either, but am willing to give the benefit of doubt.
A swarm of kobolds, using aid another, can do a fair bit of damage to a party.
Not encountering well-organized kobolds, would be my guess.How did they ever get to level 8?
last time i ran into kobolds in a game they chewed our 8th level part to pieces
Or anything else.
How often can you just kill tied-up enemies before the GM decrees that you don't get any more XP for it?
And the only thing more pathetic than kobolds are tied-up prisoners. And even then, not very powerful tied-up prisoners. Let's say, young goblin commoners.
Shooting fish in a barrel is harder than fighting kobolds.
You say that now... however I've got this little kobold friend of mine I'd like to introduce to you. See... he is small, even for a kobold but the other kobolds keep him chained with adamantine chains and muzzle and roll him around on a little dolly for a reason. (He likes livers but skip the fava beans.)
You've not seen player fear until you throw a Kobold Frenzy Berserker against your PC's. My group happened to be high enough level and big enough that I felt absolutely no remorse in giving that little kobold deathless frenzy. I built the little fella with elite array but heck if he still didn't have a strength stat in the high 30's butt naked with only a bull's strength spell slapped on him as his keepers ran away in terror after poking him with a stick before locking the door on the party. Little fella had nothing but a loin cloth and a great pick.
Over 500 hp worth of damage later (my group was blaster heavy with a warforged juggernaut) his rage timer ticked down and he fell over dead. He damaged the PC's badly and I made sure to share out the punishment. He even dropped the juggernaut with only his claws. Party never did look at a kobold the same way twice. :)
Over 500 hp worth of damage later (my group was blaster heavy with a warforged juggernaut) his rage timer ticked down and he fell over dead. He damaged the PC's badly and I made sure to share out the punishment. He even dropped the juggernaut with only his claws. Party never did look at a kobold the same way twice. :)
LOL
Gotta remember that for my own games. Maybe a Goblin Frenzy Berzerker. :)
LOL
Gotta remember that for my own games. Maybe a Goblin Frenzy Berzerker. :)
MDT, do you REALLY want me to twink out my next kobold? LOL
I tone down my optimization for that game to keep things fun for other people besides me. LOL
LOL
Gotta remember that for my own games. Maybe a Goblin Frenzy Berzerker. :)
MDT, do you REALLY want me to twink out my next kobold? LOL
I tone down my optimization for that game to keep things fun for other people besides me. LOL
Twink out all you want. Just remember, as the GM, I have unlimited resources, so I can out-twink any character you come up with. :)
Any updates for those of us subscribers still pending?
I'm not in the screaming crowd, but I am surprised to find myself still waiting, and curious for an update.
Thanks
Yeah well a GM can make any monster super tough, but getting defeated by kobolds RAW means your group sucks a$$ LOL Except maybe LVL 1. At that point even giant rats might cause problems.
|
|
Not unhappy.VERY unhappy!
They could have at least have included the claw/claw/bite natural attack, or a bonus to CHA for the best kobold spellcasting class (aka sorcerer).
As it is, I think they are the only race / monster with a total negative modifier. I'll know more when I order my copy of the pdf.
Orix the Kobold Marshal of Dooooooooom.
If you want a quick way to bring the PF kobold up to equal with a PF Core character, you can add the Draconic Creature template for RotD/Draconomicon. The stats go up to net +2 and none of the added abilities are redonkulous. Given than the baseline kobold is really an LA -1 critter, adding the +1 LA template cancels out (more or less IMO).
Any updates for those of us subscribers still pending?
I'm not in the screaming crowd, but I am surprised to find myself still waiting, and curious for an update.
Thanks
and..... Behold the power of Murphy!!!
email arrives right after asking....|
CEO
|
Any updates for those of us subscribers still pending?
I'm not in the screaming crowd, but I am surprised to find myself still waiting, and curious for an update.
Thanks
and..... Behold the power of Murphy!!!
email arrives right after asking....
We expect the rest of the subscriptions waiting for Seekers of Secrets to start going out on Wednesday. Almost there.
-Lisa
We expect the rest of the subscriptions waiting for Seekers of Secrets to start going out on Wednesday. Almost there.
-Lisa
[obligatory Star Wars quote]Stay on target...[/obligatory Star Wars quote]
We expect the rest of the subscriptions waiting for Seekers of Secrets to start going out on Wednesday. Almost there.
-Lisa
Actually, Seeker was not included.
Rumor has it that the bestiary PDF should be out "about" today. :-) Does it look like it will be today afterall, or no? I am waiting on Amazon, and willing to fork out an extra $10 to be able to use it sooner. :DToday is the street date, so it should be available today
Yup! It's available and I got me one!
The owner of my local game store told me yesterday that the book will be officially available today (21st) which is also what I'm reading here. He does his ordering from his distributors on Thursdays. So even though he's reserved 4 of them he won't officially "ask" for it until tomorrow. He says they'll be delivered the next day on Friday.
I get off work at 3. I have a one hour commute. I expect to have one in my hands by 4:02pm on Friday. I will be back home and in geek bliss by 4:20pm
heh heh heh. I can't wait.
*chuckles at Lilith*
*twitching with anticipation of a shipment notification*
Any updates for those of us subscribers still pending?
I'm not in the screaming crowd, but I am surprised to find myself still waiting, and curious for an update.
Thanks
and..... Behold the power of Murphy!!!
email arrives right after asking....We expect the rest of the subscriptions waiting for Seekers of Secrets to start going out on Wednesday. Almost there.
-Lisa
Lisa,
On another thread you mentioned that an email went out asking if us subscribers wanted to wait for Seekers or ship the bestiary separately. Did you find out if that email went out? I know I didn't receive it if it did, because I really don't feel like being the last to receive the book is right.
Lisa,
On another thread you mentioned that an email went out asking if us subscribers wanted to wait for Seekers or ship the bestiary separately. Did you find out if that email went out? I know I didn't receive it if it did, because I really don't feel like being the last to receive the book is right.
I can vouch for never receiving an email about the problem. I wouldn't have changed my shipping options, but I never got an email about doing so either.
*wonders whether it's worth paying the US$9.95 to finally get the Bestiary PDF rather than waiting longer for the subscription copy*
Be nice. You don't know the circumstances.
But I do. There were kobolds!
|
Chief Technical Officer
|
Lisa,
On another thread you mentioned that an email went out asking if us subscribers wanted to wait for Seekers or ship the bestiary separately. Did you find out if that email went out? I know I didn't receive it if it did, because I really don't feel like being the last to receive the book is right.
To be clear, that e-mail was directed only to people who had their subscriptions set to ship *separately*, and were—contrary to their stated preference—having their shipment held up by the unexpected last-minute delay on Seekers. The (few dozen) people in that situation have been sent another e-mail today.
People who had set their combined subs to ship out *monthly* were never supposed to get an email, as their subs were processed exactly as specified. "Hold for monthly" means that we hold anything that comes in early in the month until *everything* due that month has arrived, and then we ship it all at once to decrease shipping fees. Everything we're expecting this month has now arrived, and the "hold for monthly" shipments are now going out.
Lisa,
On another thread you mentioned that an email went out asking if us subscribers wanted to wait for Seekers or ship the bestiary separately. Did you find out if that email went out? I know I didn't receive it if it did, because I really don't feel like being the last to receive the book is right.To be clear, that e-mail was directed only to people who had their subscriptions set to ship *separately*, and were—contrary to their stated preference—having their shipment held up by the unexpected last-minute delay on Seekers. The (few dozen) people in that situation have been sent another e-mail today.
People who had set their combined subs to ship out *monthly* were never supposed to get an email, as their subs were processed exactly as specified. "Hold for monthly" means that we hold anything that comes in early in the month until *everything* due that month has arrived, and then we ship it all at once to decrease shipping fees. Everything we're expecting this month has now arrived, and the "hold for monthly" shipments are now going out.
As I mentioned in the other thread about this situation, I was one of those "dozen or so" who had never hold anything, and did get the email today. I complained enough when I didn't know when I would ever get the books sent, and now that I have the email I'll thank you all. We all make mistakes and your kind email, and bonus were an example of your exemplary customer service. I'd be willing to bet this won't happen again.
To be clear, that e-mail was directed only to people who had their subscriptions set to ship *separately*, ...People who had set their combined subs to ship out *monthly* were never supposed to get an email, as their subs were processed exactly as specified. "Hold for monthly" means that we hold anything that comes in early in the month until *everything* due that month has arrived, and then we ship it all at once to decrease shipping fees. Everything we're expecting this month has now arrived, and the "hold for monthly" shipments are now going out.
This is fine, except for the issue that the 'coming in a week or so' email was sent to the subscribers in this second group (including myself) over two weeks ago. (I received the email it on 7th Oct).
The email begins
"Thank you for your continuing support of Paizo Publishing!
In the next week or so, we're expecting to ship the next product of your subscription."
Unfortunately this thread gives the impression that Paizo take this to mean:
This order may ship in a week or so, or some indeterminate time in the future once delayed parts of the shipment are in stock. You will not be informed about these delays.
I think that, if the product is delayed AFTER this email is sent, customer service and common curtsy would be a follow up email informing these customers of the delay.
One of the following should have occurred to keep these subscribers up to date:
* A follow-up email with a notification of the delay.
* A message on the order itself to indicate the delay - unfortunately, in my opinion the line "Expected October 2009" status seeker does not adequately convey this message.
* An announcement in the blog that there is a delay.
None of these occurred, leaving subscribers to hunt through message board discussions to find out why there subscription has not shipped.
I happily accept that delays occur and are unavoidable, I do not accept that subscribers are not informed about those delays.
In summary, I beleive that this issue can be described as "A Failure To Communicate".
As of this posting, my order is STILL pending
Has Classic Monster: Revisited been folded into the new Bestiary?
No, the Bestiary is the Bestiary. It is basic info on the critters, but has many of them.
Classic Monsters Revisited is a critters revisited book. They give you the extra long treatment for about 10 critters.
|
I find it odd being a subscriber I figured I would have recieved an email by now saying "we are charging you X amount and you will get the book in a week or two", but I havent heard word one yet. Not a peep. Is it possible I was skipped?
I wonder if they are feeding the shipping kobolds or are they rebelling again.
I find it odd being a subscriber I figured I would have recieved an email by now saying "we are charging you X amount and you will get the book in a week or two", but I havent heard word one yet. Not a peep. Is it possible I was skipped?
I wonder if they are feeding the shipping kobolds or are they rebelling again.
It could be an error, or it could depend on how you've got your account set up to ship. If you're set to ship your subscriptions with the Adventure Path, you'll miss out this month unless you change your shipping settings because this month's AP has been delayed until next month.
|
|
...or it could depend on how you've got your account set up to ship. If you're set to ship your subscriptions with the Adventure Path, you'll miss out this month unless you change your shipping settings because this month's AP has been delayed until next month.
Problem fixed. Thanks!! My players may escape yet another session without the updated monsters but you can not run forever :)
Has Classic Monster: Revisited been folded into the new Bestiary?
Some of the stuff from classic monsters is in there, certainly a lot of the spirit of classic monsters is imbued in the flavor. They are in no way redundant though.
...or it could depend on how you've got your account set up to ship. If you're set to ship your subscriptions with the Adventure Path, you'll miss out this month unless you change your shipping settings because this month's AP has been delayed until next month.Problem fixed. Thanks!! My players may escape yet another session without the updated monsters but you can not run forever :)
Don't let them get away with it! Get the monsters online.
Sadly, my suspicions are correct. The noble hippogriff has been excluded from the Bestiary, and isn't even in the Bonus Bestiary. It's a travesty! I love the hippogriff as a monster, and I'm saddened to see it not there. To quote Movies in 15 Minutes: "OMGWTF Horseybird?!!"
|
Director of Game Development
|
Sadly, my suspicions are correct. The noble hippogriff has been excluded from the Bestiary, and isn't even in the Bonus Bestiary. It's a travesty! I love the hippogriff as a monster, and I'm saddened to see it not there. To quote Movies in 15 Minutes: "OMGWTF Horseybird?!!"
In time, the horseybird may soar yet again!
|
Sadly, my suspicions are correct. The noble hippogriff has been excluded from the Bestiary, and isn't even in the Bonus Bestiary. It's a travesty! I love the hippogriff as a monster, and I'm saddened to see it not there. To quote Movies in 15 Minutes: "OMGWTF Horseybird?!!"In time, the horseybird may soar yet again!
But we'll never see the mighty beholder, the sly mindflayer, or the creepy carrior crawler...