Monk Speed Enhancement - adds to base speed?

[Adrian Marks]

Would this then provide the monk with an increase on Acrobatics(jump) checks of +4/10ft speed over 30 as according to the rules? Or as due to being an enhancement bonus would not provide said increase to jump.

[GeraintElberion]

Adrian Marks wrote:

Would this then provide the monk with an increase on Acrobatics(jump) checks of +4/10ft speed over 30 as according to the rules? Or as due to being an enhancement bonus would not provide said increase to jump.

Yes, monks are incredible leapers.

[TriOmegaZero]

Any enhancement bonus to speed does this, no matter if it is a class feature or magical effect.

[Adrian Marks]

Thanks, emailing my GM now... now he gets to have his headaches about my springing all over the place again after ruling against the speed/jump a while ago

[The Grandfather]

Adrian Marks wrote:

Thanks, emailing my GM now... now he gets to have his headaches about my springing all over the place again after ruling against the speed/jump a while ago

As already stated, any increase/reduction in speed affects jumping.

However, the new rules for monks state that the increase is an enhancement bonus to speed, and does therefore not stack with most other speed increasing effects.

[Traxium]

The Grandfather wrote:

Adrian Marks wrote:

Thanks, emailing my GM now... now he gets to have his headaches about my springing all over the place again after ruling against the speed/jump a while ago

As already stated, any increase/reduction in speed affects jumping.

However, the new rules for monks state that the increase is an enhancement bonus to speed, and does therefore not stack with most other speed increasing effects.

Okay, but just to be clear, this is a totally separate thing from the 5th level High Jump ability, yes?

If High Jump is its own thing, and the +4/10 ft. is also its own thing, then a 6th level human monk should have a total of +14 to Acrobatics to jump. Right?

Also, I hate to be the wet blanket, but is this ruling backed up anywhere by Paizo? I just want to make sure that we're following the true rules, not just an interpretation from a friendly discussion. Thanks!

[James Risner]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Any enhancement bonus to speed does this, no matter if it is a class feature or magical effect.

+1 the rules add the bonus based on your land speed and make no restrictions on how you come to be at that speed

Adrian Marks wrote:

Thanks, emailing my GM now... now he gets to have his headaches about my springing all over the place again after ruling against the speed/jump a while ago

But to be clear, in his game this bonus does not apply to you (because he apparently said it didn't)

In other words, Rule Zero is in force and you shouldn't be sending him a link to this thread as a "see you are wrong" kind of action. Just my opinion as a player and a GM.

[addy grete]

Adrian Marks wrote:

Would this then provide the monk with an increase on Acrobatics(jump) checks of +4/10ft speed over 30 as according to the rules? Or as due to being an enhancement bonus would not provide said increase to jump.

Some DMs think that per RAW, an enhancement bonus to speed isn't part of a base speed. However, that's a misunderstanding of what "base speed" is, because the name itself is ambiguous. Spells such as expeditious retreat and longstrider increase base speed by giving it an enhancement bonus. That's the important point in the wording:

"This spell increases your base land speed by 30 feet."
"This spell gives you a +10 foot enhancement bonus to your base
speed. " (not just to your final speed)

So base speed includes enhancement bonuses, it doesn't mean your character's speed before enhancements. The monk speed is an enhancement bonus, that counts as part of the base speed. So the monk gets +4/10ft speed over 30 on jump checks as a racial bonus.

It's worth discussing with your DM, who is probably under the impression that an enhancement bonus to speed isn't part of a base speed. If the DM already knew and willfully decided that the rules in your campaign were different, that's another matter. But I bet it's not intended as a change, and it's just a misunderstanding of RAW.