Can a Dex 17 monk take Two-Weapon Rend as a feat?


Rules Questions


Seeing as a monk already has Double Slice (in effect), and Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (for fists) by the time the monk gets a BAB of +11, why not rend? It would apply only to fists of course. I suppose not since a monk doesn't have off-hand attacks per se? I'm not saying the monk needs it, I'm just curious. One could argue that the increased damage/level sort of represents a "rend".

How about Two-Weapon Defense?


I agree that it wouldn't be overpowered, but it's not allowed under the rules; they don't really have TWF, after all.

Scarab Sages

Add a class ability that emulates a rend as a class ability substitution option.

Eagle Strike. When you strike with two unarmed attacks you deal an additional 1d10+STR dmg.


...or take the TWF feats.


Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:

Add a class ability that emulates a rend as a class ability substitution option.

Eagle Strike. When you strike with two unarmed attacks you deal an additional 1d10+STR dmg.

thanks, that's an interesting idea. Thanks also to others who responded.


Hey, what about a Fighter-7/Monk-4/Templar-1 with two weapon fighting feat using a great sword in both hands and making an off-hand attack with his feet, head, knees or elbows as Monks use thier whole body and can make unarmed attacks with thier hands full. Or even having a Longsword in one hand, a Heavy shield in the other and making an off-hand unarmed attack with TWF? I am having a difference of opinion with my DM as he does'nt think that this is possible and should have one hand free to make an off-hand unarmed strike even though I'm a Monk. Anybody have any ideas?


dudeda wrote:
I am having a difference of opinion with my DM as he does'nt think that this is possible and should have one hand free to make an off-hand unarmed strike even though I'm a Monk. Anybody have any ideas?

Easily corrected by referencing the Unarmed Strike class ability of the monk:

PRD wrote:
A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed.


I actually did that earlier today and he either didn't get it or just doesn't want to alow it. He is trying to stay with the core rules and I think he is a little confused. I may need to get a FAQ ruling on it, any other Ideas? BTW thx for the help.


dudeda wrote:
I actually did that earlier today and he either didn't get it or just doesn't want to alow it. He is trying to stay with the core rules and I think he is a little confused. I may need to get a FAQ ruling on it, any other Ideas? BTW thx for the help.

Your welcome! I'm not sure how it could possibly be more clear than what's printed in the class ability, so I doubt a FAQ would help. The core rules clearly state (1) monks can attack with both hands full and (2) monks don't even have an off-hand attack for unarmed strikes. Maybe point him this way and we could try to figure out his reasoning?


I'll give it a whirl, Thx for the Help. I'll post with what I find and I am thinking of giving Paizo customer service a call tommorrow to keep it a core ruling for my DM.


Actually He found a relevant ruling in the 3.5 DND FAQ which supports what the core rules echo. I hope all you guys have DM's that are as concieincus as mine is.

Thx
Dave

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