Galdor the Great |
Multi class feats?
Quite right! I forgot to mention that I didn't include multi-classing; mainly because I haven't really paid to much attention to how it works in 4e.
If someone wants to figure out how many extra combinations multi-class feats would add, I encourage your endeavours.
Logos |
Presuming that your initial number was correct you should only have to times your number by the number of multiclass feats -1 because you can only take 1 multiclass feat (or chain of feats) and you can't multiclass into your own class.
So times 15.
That said if you want to worry about the chain of feats you can stop atwhat is it 4 different feat levels (novice power swap, adept power swap, and master power swap in addittion to the multiclass feat )in which case its more like 4 choices instead of one.
So times 60?
Did you account for multiclass paragon path substitute?
Also the bard is going to inflate it even more because they can take multible multiclass feats.
So that should be Add 15
(presuming you didn't already and just phb 1 and 2 at 16 classes total)
Readerbreeder |
...I have calculated that using only PHB1 & PHB2, there are 6580 possible race/class/paragon path/epic destiny combinations.
Anyone care to confirm or dispute?
Have the optimizers decided yet which three of these combinations are worth playing because the others are all "unfun?" :-P
Note: Poking fun here at min/maxers, not 4e. Honestly, if you enjoy that part of the game, more power to you; it's just not my thing.
Galnörag |
It is a bit of a sad indictment that we are so accustomed to being trolled on these boards that when someone posts in jest no one sees the joke.
Once burned, twice shy.
In any event, yes there are a lot of possibilities, each with its own unique feel
Jeremy Mac Donald |
It is a bit of a sad indictment that we are so accustomed to being trolled on these boards that when someone posts in jest no one sees the joke.
Well I got it and recognized the irony. What I found really odd was that you got lumped into the troll category at all - does no one recognize regular posters around here? I mean its not like the 4E forum has all that many regulars.
Aubrey the Malformed |
Aubrey the Malformed wrote:It is a bit of a sad indictment that we are so accustomed to being trolled on these boards that when someone posts in jest no one sees the joke.Well I got it and recognized the irony. What I found really odd was that you got lumped into the troll category at all - does no one recognize regular posters around here? I mean its not like the 4E forum has all that many regulars.
Well, I had hoped that someone would remember me. Obviously I'm not that memorable.
Celestial Healer |
Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:Well, I had hoped that someone would remember me. Obviously I'm not that memorable.Aubrey the Malformed wrote:It is a bit of a sad indictment that we are so accustomed to being trolled on these boards that when someone posts in jest no one sees the joke.Well I got it and recognized the irony. What I found really odd was that you got lumped into the troll category at all - does no one recognize regular posters around here? I mean its not like the 4E forum has all that many regulars.
It's the melty face. We try to suppress it from our consciousness.
Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
...I have calculated that using only PHB1 & PHB2, there are 6580 possible race/class/paragon path/epic destiny combinations.
Anyone care to confirm or dispute?
I DISPUTE IT!!!
Wait...did you want some evidence or math to back up the dispute? Because I don't have any of that. Just contrarianess...
Aubrey the Malformed |
Galdor the Great wrote:...I have calculated that using only PHB1 & PHB2, there are 6580 possible race/class/paragon path/epic destiny combinations.
Anyone care to confirm or dispute?
I DISPUTE IT!!!
Wait...did you want some evidence or math to back up the dispute? Because I don't have any of that. Just contrarianess...
Another f~&$ing troll.
Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
Sebastian wrote:Another f*~~ing troll.Galdor the Great wrote:...I have calculated that using only PHB1 & PHB2, there are 6580 possible race/class/paragon path/epic destiny combinations.
Anyone care to confirm or dispute?
I DISPUTE IT!!!
Wait...did you want some evidence or math to back up the dispute? Because I don't have any of that. Just contrarianess...
Awesome! Welcome to the club. Just as long as your not a Brit, we should get along swimmingly. I hate those limey bastards.
Galdor the Great |
14 Races (shifter counts as 2)
16 Classes
5 Paragon Paths for each race/class combination
11 Epic Destinies - though not all characters can qualify for all Destinies (some are open only to one class or one power source)
Add in some (not-so)fancy calculations and you get 6580 combinations.
Why did I re-post this total? Because I have nothing better to do on Thursday afternoon.
Celestial Healer |
How did you get 5 paragon paths? Clerics, I believe, are up to 14 or so...
And don't forget the racial paragon paths which can be matched with any class. And paragon paths that can be taken by "any divine class" and so forth.
And there's way more than 11 epic destinies.
Really, the calculations are a lot more complex, and I discourage anyone from actually doing them, because I guarantee there are better things one could be doing with those hours.
Galdor the Great |
How did you get 5 paragon paths? Clerics, I believe, are up to 14 or so...
And don't forget the racial paragon paths which can be matched with any class. And paragon paths that can be taken by "any divine class" and so forth.
And there's way more than 11 epic destinies.
Really, the calculations are a lot more complex, and I discourage anyone from actually doing them, because I guarantee there are better things one could be doing with those hours.
I am only counting material from PHB1 & PHB2 as I don't have access to any other sources for races, classes, paths, or destinies.
Each class in the PHBs have 4 paragon paths, add in the racial path, and that give 5 path options at 11th level for each race/class combo.
I don't think the calculations are that complex. Here are my reasons for thinking so:
1. The calculations are easy and anyone can do them.
2. The calculations are difficult but I'm extremely intelligent so it's very easy for me to get the right answer.
3. The calculations are difficult and I'm not smart enough to realize how wrong my calculations are.
4. I'm sure there are more reasons I could add but I don't have enough time to calculate them all.
5. I don't have time to do #4 above but I have time to calculate the other stuff?
6. One sided conversations with yourself on the internet probably indicates an imminent onset of insanity.
7. C is for cookie, that's good enough for me.
Scott Betts |
Ahh, if you are just using PHB1 and 2, then that is easier, although the racial paragon paths are in PHB2...
It's the ones in the Power series books (not even mentioning Dragon articles) that start to make things more complicated. Not to mention those books contain a large number of epic destinies.
I grabbed all the races, classes, paragon paths, and epic destinies from the Compendium and came up with a number of potential combinations in excess of 22 million. It should be more, actually, since I didn't bother calculating hybrid classes against each other (since you pick a combination of two), though I didn't limit paragon paths based on class or race (it's a huge hassle for the handful of race-specific paragon paths out there, and pretty much anyone can qualify for any class-specific paragon path through multiclass feats).
Either way, it's a very very very large number.
Galdor the Great |
Celestial Healer wrote:Ahh, if you are just using PHB1 and 2, then that is easier, although the racial paragon paths are in PHB2...
It's the ones in the Power series books (not even mentioning Dragon articles) that start to make things more complicated. Not to mention those books contain a large number of epic destinies.
I grabbed all the races, classes, paragon paths, and epic destinies from the Compendium and came up with a number of potential combinations in excess of 22 million. It should be more, actually, since I didn't bother calculating hybrid classes against each other (since you pick a combination of two), though I didn't limit paragon paths based on class or race (it's a huge hassle for the handful of race-specific paragon paths out there, and pretty much anyone can qualify for any class-specific paragon path through multiclass feats).
Either way, it's a very very very large number.
An infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters will eventually create all 22 million+ combinations...