I'm not sure if there's a written restriction on getting a mount that you can't actually ride (I don't see it in the PRD under the paladin's divine bond class feature). It does clearly state that "Once the form [of the Divine Bond] is chosen, it cannot be changed." Maybe that applies to changing mounts from one kind to another?
Either way, as a DM, I'd disallow you to pick any mount you can't actually mount -- because, by definition, it's not a mount if you can't mount it. (This is just my opinion though. . .)
However, using that ruling I suppose since dog and boar are mentioned -- because by 4th level a small character could mount them -- then I guess a small character could potentially pick a wolf. At level 7, the wolf would advance to a large mount with a small rider. Hmm, maybe I'd cut a small paladin some slack there (-;
At level 7, the wolf would advance to a large mount with a small rider.
You can exchange the size increase for +2 dex and con (if I recall correctly).
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At level 7, the wolf would advance to a large mount with a small rider.You can exchange the size increase for +2 dex and con (if I recall correctly).
Wow, I didn't catch that. That boar just got an even more awesome AC. 32 in breastplate barding or 35 in mithral fullplate barding. Nice. And that's without any additional buffs or magical equipment.
I've gotten tired of Paladin Animal Companions in my games (ie. they aren't mounts), so I house rule that it must be a mount. I'm sure a good argument could be made as to why a wolf could be a mount though (either a large wolf, or a small PC).
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I would say that so long as it could be a mount at level 5 or if it had the potential to be one at level 7 then it should be ok.
The idea of a wolf mount seems awesome. I think of a Norse style Paladin, riding his wolf into battle. Heck, wasn't one of the NPCs from the Campaign Setting basically a viking paladin? :) Perfect match!
Now if only Paizo could give us a Elk mount. ~~
At level 7, the wolf would advance to a large mount with a small rider.You can exchange the size increase for +2 dex and con (if I recall correctly).
Yep, good catch -- it's under the heading "Animal Choices" in the Druid's Animal Companion section.
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I don't know about you, but with Dragon Horse (bestiary 2) and Sleipnir (bestiary 3), aside from Griffon and Hippogriffon, i would love to have my paladin with so worthwhile mount.
But, instead, you must take the weapon enhancement and buy those options, like any other class without divine bond would do... schade.
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I am new to Pathfinder, my question is I have an Elven paladin, my question is, does the celestial mount have to be a warhorse or can I have a mount such as the dire wolverine in its place?
"..more exotic mounts, such as a boar, camel, or dog are also suitable." Ask your GM if this includes a dire wolverine. She may be less inclined to agree because the dire wolverine doesn't have an official animal companion progression.
Easiest way would be (i. e. I'd allow it in my games) to give it the looks of a e. g. wolf but keep the mechanics of a basic horse (gets tricky with the attacks, but nothing too bad, IMO) and advance it from there.
But it would have to be a land-based animal - giving the paladin the ability to fly (and smiting evil via ranged attacks!) would be too much of an advantage and give him/her the spot light in game too many times -potentially frustrating the other players.
Ruyan.
This mount is usually a heavy horse (for a Medium paladin) or a pony (for a Small paladin), although more exotic mounts, such as a boar, camel, or dog are also suitable.
You can take:
Heavy HorsePony
Boar
Camel
Dog
You can't take a wolf.
Unless there is a wondrous statue of it. Then you can take that one via the extra feat.
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This mount is usually a heavy horse (for a Medium paladin) or a pony (for a Small paladin), although more exotic mounts, such as a boar, camel, or dog are also suitable.You can take:
Heavy Horse
Pony
Boar
Camel
DogYou can't take a wolf.
Unless there is a wondrous statue of it. Then you can take that one via the extra feat.
This is true for Pathfinder Society, but "such as" allows for other options with GM discretion. So you can take a wolf, just ask your GM first.
This is true for Pathfinder Society, but "such as" allows for other options with GM discretion. So you can take a wolf, just ask your GM first.
This mount is usually a heavy horse (for a Medium paladin) or a pony (for a Small paladin), although more exotic mounts, such as a boar, camel, or dog are also suitable.You can take:
Heavy Horse
Pony
Boar
Camel
DogYou can't take a wolf.
Unless there is a wondrous statue of it. Then you can take that one via the extra feat.
Of course. But it is still a restricted list. A GM may of course expand that list according to his campaign (something fishy for underwater etc pp). But using the "such as" as a 'get out of jail' free card and saying that you can have your Big Cat or whatever as a premium animal companion is wrong.
If they had meant it that way they would just have given him the Druid list with the restriction that he must be able to ride on it.
This mount is usually a heavy horse (for a Medium paladin) or a pony (for a Small paladin), although more exotic mounts, such as a boar, camel, or dog are also suitable.You can take:
Heavy Horse
Pony
Boar
Camel
DogYou can't take a wolf.
Unless there is a wondrous statue of it. Then you can take that one via the extra feat.
When Text says "such as" they are not giving a specific, all inclusive list. They are giving examples. The choice at that point is what your GM considers Exotic.
I would agree that the text does specify mount tho so unless you can ride it, it shouldn't be allowed.
This mount is usually a heavy horse (for a Medium paladin) or a pony (for a Small paladin), although more exotic mounts, such as a boar, camel, or dog are also suitable.You can take:
Heavy Horse
Pony
Boar
Camel
DogYou can't take a wolf.
Unless there is a wondrous statue of it. Then you can take that one via the extra feat.When Text says "such as" they are not giving a specific, all inclusive list. They are giving examples. The choice at that point is what your GM considers Exotic.
Which still is my point.
It doesn't mean: Take the Druid List and cherry pick and argue that its now your EXOTIC mount.
I'd rule that anything that can be ridden at the time the ability applies could be chosen. The Druid list has a LOT of things that are way too small.
In previous versions you could "upgrade" to a hippogrif or similar over time. That option appears to have gone the way of the dodo?
I'd rule that anything that can be ridden at the time the ability applies could be chosen. The Druid list has a LOT of things that are way too small.
In previous versions you could "upgrade" to a hippogrif or similar over time. That option appears to have gone the way of the dodo?
If a monstrous cohort is what you want why not take it?
I mean people treat ACs as substitutes for it somehow. But thats plain wrong.
Get a bonded weapon and Leadership at level 7.
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And us GM's like to remind players that the more reasonable your requests and the less rules they break the more likely we won't have to deliver the flat "No". But sometimes "No" is the answer and you need to accept that.Of course. I just like to remind GMs and prospective GMs that they will have a happier game if they try to say "Yes, but" rather than a flat "No".
:)
As a GM also, I empathize. I am currently practising hesitating before I simply say "No".
That said, if someone shows up with the elephant they bought from the Adventurer's Armory, it will be a newspaper to the face.
That was always by DM approval, not part of the official rules set, even for 3.5.
In previous versions you could "upgrade" to a hippogrif or similar over time. That option appears to have gone the way of the dodo?
But I would approve Leadership for getting a mount any time of the day. You wouldn't get anything besides that (and you can only advance it via racial HD).
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And your point being.....? Other than essentially agreeing with what I said?That was always by DM approval, not part of the official rules set, even for 3.5.
In previous versions you could "upgrade" to a hippogrif or similar over time. That option appears to have gone the way of the dodo?
But I would approve Leadership for getting a mount any time of the day. You wouldn't get anything besides that (and you can only advance it via racial HD).
;)
I agreed with you :)
Giving the players options but without giving them everything.