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Scarab Sages

The trailer for the Wolfman is up now.

Wow, just wow! Okay, I cannot wait for this movie. Awesome cast and I am a huge fan of werewolves so its nice to see a movie with one in it that actually looks good!

The Exchange

Oh, hell yes! Partial to werewolves myself (suprise!) and this looks like it could be a excelent addition to a genre with far too few good movies.

happy wolf dance

Liberty's Edge

this looks like a well done movie about werewolves

i am really really forward to seeing it :D

Scarab Sages

I was blown away by this trailer. Great actors, a kick ass special effects master, an awesome story - This movie is going to rock!

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The trailer is impressive. I was expecting to see something along the lines of Van Helsing, and instead saw something that seems more akin to Lon Chaney Jr's original classic.

Liberty's Edge

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.

Scarab Sages

Charlie Brooks wrote:
The trailer is impressive. I was expecting to see something along the lines of Van Helsing, and instead saw something that seems more akin to Lon Chaney Jr's original classic.

That's because it is. Del Toro is such a fan of the original Wolfman that he fought to keep it as close to the original as possible. He did give up some concessions on the film and he and the studio finally agreed on a script. As well as the original Chaney version, there are some plot elements from The Werewolf of London and The Curse of the Werewolf.

Right now, I'm kinda worried because the studio has stepped in and made some changes to the werewolves. And once that happens...


I'm excited!


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
I'm excited!

Are you 'so excited'?

And you just can't hide it?


I'm not about to lose control, if that's your concern.


If you did, do you think you'd like it?


Just saw it, thought it was fantastic! A little slow at the beginning, but once it gets going, it doesn't let up. Fantastic acting, the four major roles played by Blunt, Del Toro, Hopkins and Weaving are flawless. Incredible sets, it's hard to believe 95 minutes went by so fast. The transformation scenes are amazing and the movement of the wolfman through the city alleyways is very realistic. Going to be hard to top this one, waiting patiently for Clash of the Titans.


Once this is a confirmed hit you can expect the other classic horror movies (Dracula, Frankenstien and the Mummy) getting a remake.


Xabulba wrote:

Once this is a confirmed hit you can expect the other classic horror movies (Dracula, Frankenstien and the Mummy) getting a remake.

Dracula is already in the process, with, guess? Sam Worthington (who would have thought it?) in the lead role.

The Exchange

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Yep, the new Russel Crowe.

Wondering how Robin Hood could ever come close to Gladiator. They always end up in that silly forest.


Zuxius wrote:

Yep, the new Russel Crowe.

Wondering how Robin Hood could ever come close to Gladiator. They always end up in that silly forest.

The question really is how it will ever come close to the greatest Robin Hood interpretation?

Liberty's Edge

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Xabulba wrote:
Once this is a confirmed hit you can expect the other classic horror movies (Dracula, Frankenstien and the Mummy) getting a remake.

Technically, The Wolf Man is the fifth such remake in what was originally imagined to be the great revival of the classic Universal monster series of movies. Coppola's Dracula (while not a Universal production) was supposed to be the fuse on the powder keg, followed by Tri Star's Frankenstein (1994) and Universal's The Mummy (1999,) The Mummy Returns (1994) (filling in for 1944's The Mummy's Ghost) and, now, The Wolfman. The fuse went out sometime around The Mummy Returns so they relit it with Van Helsing (really more of an homage to Universal's monster teamups like The House of Frankenstein) in 2004. A remake of The Creature From The Black Lagoon (probably my favorite Universal monster) is in the development stages, but may be released in 2011.

pres man wrote:
The question really is how it will ever come close to the greatest Robin Hood interpretation?

I'm going to have to disagree.


I saw Wolfman today. Frankestein said it best:

GOOD...GOOD!

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

I saw Wolfman today. Frankestein said it best:

GOOD...GOOD!

I enjoyed the movie, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wasn't also a fan of Universal monsters or creepy Victoriana. Lovecraft fans will probably also dig the atmosphere. I love the lunatic angle, but I wish they'd hired a good writer to do one more pass on the screenplay, especially the dialogue.

That said, I'm super excited at the prospect of a sequel for reasons those who see the movie will immediately understand.


Yeah, the set up was obvious.

Honestly, I wasn't paying that much attention to the dialogue: give me gaslight, and I go all woozy and giddy. But my memory says it was uneven. Visually it was a feast, and I also liked

Spoiler:
the elements of human psychology/lunacy and the playing off of humanity/bestiality. I was actually surprised that they stuck as closely to the classic universal look as they did. My bigger criticism might be that it needed another plot element: another monster movie where the girl has to kill him. Isn't that pretty close to the film Bram Stoker's Dracula? At the least, there was something about the way they handled her part in the denouement that wasn't completely satisfactory. Oh, the Freudian elements fit the early psychology angle together perfectly with the evil father/oedipal angle.

There are people who aren't suckers for Universal monsters? I have no resistance. I'll even watch Van Helsing again...

Dark Archive

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

Yeah, the set up was obvious.

Honestly, I wasn't paying that much attention to the dialogue: give me gaslight, and I go all woozy and giddy. But my memory says it was uneven. Visually it was a feast, and I also liked ** spoiler omitted **

There are people who aren't suckers for Universal monsters? I have no resistance. I'll even watch Van Helsing again...

Wait, you like the taste of sh!t in your cereal?


As I said, I'm a sucker for Universal monsters. Maybe I should have added, and Kate Beckinsale in leather?

Dark Archive

Ah, but Kate Beckinsale in leathers does not a good movie make. A predictable movie, though.


It's not great film; it's good spectacle.

Dark Archive

It was alot more ah, titillating in blu-ray.

Liberty's Edge

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I just got back from this and, I have to say, a sequel would be ill-advised. I really liked the movie, but I think a sequel would actually hurt the groundwork setup concerning the nature of werewolves in this film.

Here's why:
By the end of the film, pretty much all of London and all of Blackmoor knows that werewolves exist, how they're created and how to kill them. There are also a dozen or so witnesses who could figure out or already know Abberline was bitten by a werewolf. Judging from how quick everybody was to cast silver bullets, there's really only one way for people to respond to that. Bang. He's dead if they don't let him bleed to death from his wounds. Alternately, British scientists study him and send him after the Germans when World War I breaks out. Cool, but hardly a fitting sequel for this movie. The other problem comes from the whole "he can only be killed by someone who loves him" thing. We don't know anything about Abberline. Does anybody love this guy? If not, does that mean he can't die? Will he have to die at the hands of another werewolf? There just wasn't really enough back-story for him to lead into a worthy sequel and, if just anybody with a silver weapon can kill him, it discounts the love thing and just turns into another cliche werewolf flick.

I say leave well enough alone unless they can come up with a script that blows this away. The Wolfman is a great monster movie all by itself.

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I saw it last night with the gf. The Gaffer and Best Boy did an awesome job with it.


Velcro Zipper wrote:

I just got back from this and, I have to say, a sequel would be ill-advised. I really liked the movie, but I think a sequel would actually hurt the groundwork setup concerning the nature of werewolves in this film.

** spoiler omitted **

I say leave well enough alone unless they can come up with a script that blows this away. The Wolfman is a great monster movie all by itself.

Good points, VZ.

Spoiler:
And the more I think about the whole "He can only be redeeemed by one who loves him" thing, the more I see it makes absofreakinlutely no sense.
The Exchange

I saw a weapon show once where the dudes actually made real silver bullets and fired them into ballistics gel to see how they behaved and they figured out that silver bullets are extremely inaccurate and they do very little actual damage. The bullets don't 'mushroom' because they are much harder than lead so they tend to go straight through the target leaving a very thin hole and would rarely be stopped in the person hit and anything beyond 20' distant is as likely to miss as hit.
Just a notation...

Dark Archive Contributor

VZ makes good, reasonable points, but ...

Spoiler:
... those are some of the reasons why I think a sequel could be so much more interesting. Addressing those issues challenge the obstacles that, overcome by a good writer, could make the plot so much more interesting than the one in this film.

I also would like a new spin on the "one who loves him" element. One obvious rebuttal to it is that it's true only because confronting someone who loves him, or whom he loves, is the surest way to put him off his defense and thus make him vulnerable to that silver bullet in the heart.

Likewise, the idea that everyone knows about silver bullets and want to put down Abberline heightens the danger to the werewolf immensely. The rooftop chase scene had no tension for me exactly because we already knew Talbot couldn't be killed by the police.


Heh. No tension: I should have known that a guy with Nosferatu as his avvy would have no sympathy for the denizens of London. ;)

I agree about the writer challenge: great challenges can pull the best out of good writer, but my concern would be Hollywood's penchant for mediocre writers that would tend to be crushed under the load.

EDIT:

Spoiler:
Yeah, I can look at the love angle that way, thanks DG. I don't think the exposition was clear in that regard, but that's definitely how I'm going to try to spin it when I watch it the second time, unless I see something I missed the first time.

Liberty's Edge

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Thinking on it a little more...:
Ending the story where they did also gives more weight to the morality question posed by Gwen and Maleva: Where does one end and the other begin? The audience and the characters in the film are left to ponder whether it would be a sin to kill Abberline, a man who is probably a decent, law-abiding and noble servant of The Crown, before he actually becomes a werewolf.


Fake Healer wrote:

The bullets don't 'mushroom' because they are much harder than lead so they tend to go straight through the target leaving a very thin hole and would rarely be stopped in the person hit and anything beyond 20' distant is as likely to miss as hit.

Just a notation...

Yeah the ballistics would be all over the shop.

That said, the notion of silver bullets being used on a werewolf harkens back to an age of using ball shot which is nothing more than a lump of metal (where silver would be fine), a point that most modern storywriters haven't apparently cottoned on to when using more modern ballistics in their stories :p

Anyhow, still enjoyed this movie.
It was like Hammer House done 2010.

I am also one of those people who like Lovecraft and Victorian settings - so it was a win for me. YES it could have done with a bit of script revision. I also had little empathy with the lead actor, and Hopkins was Anthonty Hopkins playing Anthony Hopkins...


That's Sir Anthony Hopkins...

Shadow Lodge

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For those of you interested in what it takes to cast modern silver bullets there is this article by author Patricia Briggs.


Balodek wrote:
For those of you interested in what it takes to cast modern silver bullets there is this article by author Patricia Briggs.

Geez what a nightmare!

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Pawns Subscriber
Fake Healer wrote:

I saw a weapon show once where the dudes actually made real silver bullets and fired them into ballistics gel to see how they behaved and they figured out that silver bullets are extremely inaccurate and they do very little actual damage. The bullets don't 'mushroom' because they are much harder than lead so they tend to go straight through the target leaving a very thin hole and would rarely be stopped in the person hit and anything beyond 20' distant is as likely to miss as hit.

Just a notation...

Ah! but a monster with Damage Reduction can only be put down by non-mushrooming bullets (otherwise they don't pierce the skin!)

:P

Sovereign Court

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Balodek wrote:
For those of you interested in what it takes to cast modern silver bullets there is this article by author Patricia Briggs.

Thanks for the article Balodek... this is awesome stuff! :)


I thought Wolfman was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I love genre movies, don't mind camp, but this was just awful.

The cheesy wolf howls, and del Toro's weird, flat enunciation...

The plot made absolutely no sense, which would be okay if it worked as spectacle or horror or humor or...anything.

I put this in my "Hulk" file as one of those incredibly earnest remakes that just never lifts off.

The way the animal mounts sort of growled a little whenever the camera trailed over them? Yeesh.

American Werewolf in London gets at all the camp and fear and goofiness of the werewolf myth without being so leaden.

-Marsh


Shifty wrote:
.....and Hopkins was Anthonty Hopkins playing Anthony Hopkins...

One of my favorite sayings is:

"The difference between and Actor and a Movie Star is that, an Actor pretends that he is someone else, while a Movie Star pretends that someone else is him."

Lantern Lodge

Interesting Post Wolfman & Twilight


Santiago Mendez wrote:
Interesting Post Wolfman & Twilight

Wow! That really is a whole new level of ignorant :p


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Santiago Mendez wrote:
Interesting Post Wolfman & Twilight

That rumbling noise you hear is Lon Chaney, Jr. spinning in his grave at the sheer ignorance of that post.

Liberty's Edge

Is it good?
Does it suck in some way?
Might see it this weekend; I don't want to see it if it sucks.
If some smells like teen spirit hated it, it's good, right?
That HAD to be a joke letter, right?

The Exchange

The wife wanted so bad to this movie, but then she found out it wasn't about Heathy. :P


Heathansson wrote:

Is it good?

Does it suck in some way?
Might see it this weekend; I don't want to see it if it sucks.
If some smells like teen spirit hated it, it's good, right?
That HAD to be a joke letter, right?

It is what it is Heath - a Universal remake of old Universal movies.

Aside from the fact that I didn't like the main actor (just didn't - can't define why) the movie itself was quite a lot of fun.

Don't expect loads of depth, don't expect to get caught up in psychoanalysis of the duality of man over a latte afterward - just go enjoy some lycanthropic smack down.

Liberty's Edge

Shifty wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

Is it good?

Does it suck in some way?
Might see it this weekend; I don't want to see it if it sucks.
If some smells like teen spirit hated it, it's good, right?
That HAD to be a joke letter, right?

It is what it is Heath - a Universal remake of old Universal movies.

Aside from the fact that I didn't like the main actor (just didn't - can't define why) the movie itself was quite a lot of fun.

Don't expect loads of depth, don't expect to get caught up in psychoanalysis of the duality of man over a latte afterward - just go enjoy some lycanthropic smack down.

Right on.

I don't go all analyzing stuff.


Heathansson wrote:
Shifty wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

Is it good?

Does it suck in some way?
Might see it this weekend; I don't want to see it if it sucks.
If some smells like teen spirit hated it, it's good, right?
That HAD to be a joke letter, right?

It is what it is Heath - a Universal remake of old Universal movies.

Aside from the fact that I didn't like the main actor (just didn't - can't define why) the movie itself was quite a lot of fun.

Don't expect loads of depth, don't expect to get caught up in psychoanalysis of the duality of man over a latte afterward - just go enjoy some lycanthropic smack down.

Right on.

I don't go all analyzing stuff.

I liked it. I'm not really sure why, but I did. I wasn't particular interested in the main characters, though Hugo Weaving was pretty good. But it was fun. The London part was probably the best part of the movie, IMO. The romance thing was a bit weird and forced, as a guy behind me said,

Spoiler:
"Dude, don't kiss her, she was your brother's fiance. What is the matter with you?"

So, don't have high hopes for a ground breaking movie. But if you want to see something with were-wolves, some homages to the old movies, and can turn off your brain for 90 minutes, I say go for it.


Is it all just due to my being both a sucker for Universal monsters and period pieces? I don't think so: the reviews have been unreasonably harsh. Maybe some of these people just had their expectations set to high.

And actually, there were some parts of it I enjoyed analyzing over coffee later...but not a latte. (Got to tighten up the budget to still have money for important things, like Wolfman and Winter Witch and such...)


Yes I will agree that Hugo Weaving was the best actor in this, and I quite liked his performance.

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