paizo.com Recent Posts in Rules Questionpaizo.com Recent Posts in Rules Question2012-11-15T22:07:42Z2012-11-15T22:07:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionSevered Roninhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#202012-09-15T04:58:15Z2012-09-15T02:29:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mystic Lemur wrote:</div><blockquote> Not to be a Robert's Rules-Lawyer, but that doesn't even make sense. :P </blockquote><p>Why's it got to be MY Rules-Lawyer? I am against this motion! I vote we make it Chris' Rules-Lawyer.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Benrislove wrote:</div><blockquote>I want to make a thread simply named "thread" and link chris's quote.</blockquote><p>If it didn't take up space and/or annoy me, I would second this motion. I may second it anyways as long as it annoys Chris.Mystic Lemur wrote:Not to be a Robert's Rules-Lawyer, but that doesn't even make sense. :P
Why's it got to be MY Rules-Lawyer? I am against this motion! I vote we make it Chris' Rules-Lawyer. Benrislove wrote:I want to make a thread simply named "thread" and link chris's quote.
If it didn't take up space and/or annoy me, I would second this motion. I may second it anyways as long as it annoys Chris.Severed Ronin2012-09-15T02:29:06ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionBenrislovehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#192012-09-15T02:15:30Z2012-09-15T02:15:30Z<p>I want to make a thread simply named "thread" and link chris's quote.</p>I want to make a thread simply named "thread" and link chris's quote.Benrislove2012-09-15T02:15:30ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionMystic Lemurhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#182012-09-15T00:28:48Z2012-09-15T00:28:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Odea wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Mortika wrote:</div><blockquote>Incidentally, I'd like to nominate this thread for "least useful title."</blockquote>Third! Motion passes!</blockquote><p>Not to be a Robert's Rules-Lawyer, but that doesn't even make sense. :POdea wrote:Chris Mortika wrote:Incidentally, I'd like to nominate this thread for "least useful title."
Third! Motion passes!Not to be a Robert's Rules-Lawyer, but that doesn't even make sense. :PMystic Lemur2012-09-15T00:28:48ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionOdeahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#172012-09-14T13:01:33Z2012-09-14T13:01:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Mortika wrote:</div><blockquote>Incidentally, I'd like to nominate this thread for "least useful title."</blockquote><p>Third! Motion passes!
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bearded Ben wrote:</div><blockquote> The OP is probably long gone, but I'd like to point out that dual-wielding shields does nothing since shield bonuses don't stack. </blockquote><p>Well, technically you could have two different enchantments on the shields, say, Ghost Touch (+3!) on one so it counts against incorporeals and the other might be a +1 Light Fortification (total +2) or something... but if you're going to be in melee where those shields are useful you probably want a weapon or attack of some sort, and Synthesists are gone now so no 4-armed, 2-sheilded, 2-weapon bearing creatures are around...
<p>And I'm pretty sure that the <a href="http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz56vc?12th-level-Dual-Shield-damage-dealer-36d6-80" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">dual-shield ranger</a> is frowned upon as stupid/badwrongfun even if legal by raw, so there you go. </p>
<p>(Yes, I've read the forum debates with JJ regarding dual-shields and real-world examples, but I don't recall any PFS officials (i.e. Joshua Frost previously or Mark Moreland/Mike Brock currently) calling out the dual-shield ranger as not legal by RAW/RAI in PFS. Please feel free to PM me a link if that is the case just so I'll know.)</p>Chris Mortika wrote:Incidentally, I'd like to nominate this thread for "least useful title."
Third! Motion passes! Bearded Ben wrote:The OP is probably long gone, but I'd like to point out that dual-wielding shields does nothing since shield bonuses don't stack.
Well, technically you could have two different enchantments on the shields, say, Ghost Touch (+3!) on one so it counts against incorporeals and the other might be a +1 Light Fortification (total +2) or something... but if you're...Odea2012-09-14T13:01:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionBearded Benhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#162012-09-14T04:38:49Z2012-09-14T04:38:49Z<p>The OP is probably long gone, but I'd like to point out that dual-wielding shields does nothing since shield bonuses don't stack.</p>The OP is probably long gone, but I'd like to point out that dual-wielding shields does nothing since shield bonuses don't stack.Bearded Ben2012-09-14T04:38:49ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionSevered Roninhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#152012-09-13T13:03:48Z2012-09-13T13:03:48Z<p>See, I knew I liked you for a good reason. I was just being sort of vague, but answering something I had a little bit of knowledge on.</p>
<p>I second the motion, though, I am in support of players who aren't sure of asking either their GMs, VOs, or the community. I will admit that I'm not keen on a lot of things rules-wise (though I'm a lot better than I used to be).</p>
<p>I will admit that I sometimes find it embarassing now to ask certain rules questions now that I'm a Venture-Lieutenant because I feel as if its expected of me to 'know everything'.</p>
<p>This is why I am an advocate for 'ATYDK' which is an acronym that I just made up which stands Asking Things You Don't Know. In fact, I may start a non-profit for it.</p>See, I knew I liked you for a good reason. I was just being sort of vague, but answering something I had a little bit of knowledge on.
I second the motion, though, I am in support of players who aren't sure of asking either their GMs, VOs, or the community. I will admit that I'm not keen on a lot of things rules-wise (though I'm a lot better than I used to be).
I will admit that I sometimes find it embarassing now to ask certain rules questions now that I'm a Venture-Lieutenant because I...Severed Ronin2012-09-13T13:03:48ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionChris Mortika (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#142012-09-13T12:21:45Z2012-09-13T12:21:45Z<p>Robert,</p>
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<p>Incidentally, I'd like to nominate this thread for "least useful title."</p>Robert,
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Incidentally, I'd like to nominate this thread for "least useful title."Chris Mortika (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)2012-09-13T12:21:45ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionSevered Roninhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#132012-09-13T10:59:54Z2012-09-13T10:59:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Mortika wrote:</div><blockquote> If you're imagining something like the 18"-long things that pop out of Wolverine (how do they fit in his forearm??) ... </blockquote><p>The claws are actually his bones coated in the adamantium, so they are simply an extension of his knucklebones that grow and extend when he chooses.
<p>And yes, I'm stalking you.</p>
<p>And yes, I'm a comic book geek as well though I own none.</p>Chris Mortika wrote:If you're imagining something like the 18"-long things that pop out of Wolverine (how do they fit in his forearm??) ...
The claws are actually his bones coated in the adamantium, so they are simply an extension of his knucklebones that grow and extend when he chooses. And yes, I'm stalking you.
And yes, I'm a comic book geek as well though I own none.Severed Ronin2012-09-13T10:59:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionAlexander_Damocleshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#122012-09-14T06:43:51Z2012-09-13T05:19:24Z<p>Bad necromancer....</p>Bad necromancer....Alexander_Damocles2012-09-13T05:19:24ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionTheCrashNinjahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#112012-09-13T05:10:33Z2012-09-13T05:10:33Z<p>In some of the games i have played in the past ( not just DnD ) there have been claw weapons available that had a migshift buckler attached to be part that is attached to either your forearm or to the back of your hand, mind you these are only about 8in in diameter and only offer a +1 deflection bonus for the both of them ( if you are dual wielding them.</p>In some of the games i have played in the past ( not just DnD ) there have been claw weapons available that had a migshift buckler attached to be part that is attached to either your forearm or to the back of your hand, mind you these are only about 8in in diameter and only offer a +1 deflection bonus for the both of them ( if you are dual wielding them.TheCrashNinja2012-09-13T05:10:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionSir Hexen Ineptushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#102009-08-20T22:12:52Z2009-08-20T22:12:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Joshua J. Frost wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To answer #4: nope.</p>
<p>Hopefully the other posters have addressed the other points. Let me know if they haven't. </blockquote><p>OK thank you.Joshua J. Frost wrote:To answer #4: nope.
Hopefully the other posters have addressed the other points. Let me know if they haven't.
OK thank you.Sir Hexen Ineptus2009-08-20T22:12:52ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionJoshua J. Frosthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#92009-08-20T18:18:40Z2009-08-20T18:18:40Z<p>To answer #4: nope.</p>
<p>Hopefully the other posters have addressed the other points. Let me know if they haven't.</p>To answer #4: nope.
Hopefully the other posters have addressed the other points. Let me know if they haven't.Joshua J. Frost2009-08-20T18:18:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionSir Hexen Ineptushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#82009-08-20T15:26:23Z2009-08-20T15:26:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Mortika wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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It just seems like if you could hold a weapon in the hand a light shield is in, but not use it, why couldn't you (perhaps with a minus) use a claw attack? </blockquote><p>I guess it depends on what you think of by "claws". If you're imagining something like the 18"-long things that pop out of Wolverine (how do they fit in his forearm??) then it's reasonable to ask why you can't use them behind a shield.
<p>But if you're imagining things like long fingernails, the answer is simple and based in the real world: you're holding the shield grip. Your hand is in a loose fist. The claws aren't available to slash at anybody, even if there weren't a hunk of wood attached to the back of your hand. </blockquote><p>Well obviously it would need to be natural, as I don't see any sort of mutant here.
<p>Not that I really care, it just seems odd to me that if you have the mobility to grab a item, as you apparently don't have to hold the handle, why would you not have the mobility to scratch in a grabbing motion or poke with the same hand with long nails. The simplest answer is game balance and I am fine with that, because then you get into grapples and combat maneuvers with the same hand hat you have a shield on. Especially being a simple version game I understan.</p>Chris Mortika wrote:Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
It just seems like if you could hold a weapon in the hand a light shield is in, but not use it, why couldn't you (perhaps with a minus) use a claw attack?
I guess it depends on what you think of by "claws". If you're imagining something like the 18"-long things that pop out of Wolverine (how do they fit in his forearm??) then it's reasonable to ask why you can't use them behind a shield. But if you're imagining things like long fingernails, the...Sir Hexen Ineptus2009-08-20T15:26:23ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionChris Mortika (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#72009-08-20T15:16:51Z2009-08-20T15:16:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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It just seems like if you could hold a weapon in the hand a light shield is in, but not use it, why couldn't you (perhaps with a minus) use a claw attack? </blockquote><p>I guess it depends on what you think of by "claws". If you're imagining something like the 18"-long things that pop out of Wolverine (how do they fit in his forearm??) then it's reasonable to ask why you can't use them behind a shield.
<p>But if you're imagining things like long fingernails, the answer is simple and based in the real world: you're holding the shield grip. Your hand is in a loose fist. The claws aren't available to slash at anybody, even if there weren't a hunk of wood attached to the back of your hand.</p>Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:It just seems like if you could hold a weapon in the hand a light shield is in, but not use it, why couldn't you (perhaps with a minus) use a claw attack?
I guess it depends on what you think of by "claws". If you're imagining something like the 18"-long things that pop out of Wolverine (how do they fit in his forearm??) then it's reasonable to ask why you can't use them behind a shield. But if you're imagining things like long fingernails, the answer is simple and...Chris Mortika (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)2009-08-20T15:16:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionSir Hexen Ineptushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#62009-08-20T14:07:51Z2009-08-20T14:07:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Derek Poppink wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:</div><blockquote><p> This is a question about the pathfinder rules that is a bit hazy and not addressed in game play. I am thinking about doing this with my society play so I thought an official ruling would be needed.</p>
<p>Say I am playing a with two light shields.
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1. Could I use claw attacks with out removing a light shield?
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2. What would be the minuses for doing such if any (such as TWF minuses sense you still have two shields strapped to your arms)?
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3. What Weapon Training categories would claws and bits fall under, if any?
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4. Can a GM make new weapon training categories in pathfinder society?</p>
<p>Thank you. </blockquote><p>The description of a light shield says "you cannot use weapons with it". Unlike a buckler which protects part of the forearm (and allows attacks at a -1 penalty), my understanding of a light shield is that it provides cover around the entire forearm, so a weapon (or claw) would not be able to effectively make contact with an enemy. Inasmuch as a natural weapon is a weapon, I'd rule that you cannot make claw attacks without removing a light shield.
<p>There is a weapon training category for natural weapons in the Fighter class description. </blockquote><p>OK, that about answers all by #4. I can't believe I missed that weapon group for the fighter.
<p>However while I will run with it, the logic of #1's answer seems odd, but it is a game.</p>
<p>It just seems like if you could hold a weapon in the hand a light shield is in, but not use it, why couldn't you (perhaps with a minus) use a claw attack. Any way, this does make it simple and that is how the game goes. Thanks</p>Derek Poppink wrote:Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:This is a question about the pathfinder rules that is a bit hazy and not addressed in game play. I am thinking about doing this with my society play so I thought an official ruling would be needed.
Say I am playing a with two light shields.
1. Could I use claw attacks with out removing a light shield?
2. What would be the minuses for doing such if any (such as TWF minuses sense you still have two shields strapped to your arms)?
3. What Weapon...Sir Hexen Ineptus2009-08-20T14:07:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionDerek Poppinkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#52009-08-20T12:51:12Z2009-08-20T12:51:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:</div><blockquote><p> This is a question about the pathfinder rules that is a bit hazy and not addressed in game play. I am thinking about doing this with my society play so I thought an official ruling would be needed.</p>
<p>Say I am playing a with two light shields.
<br />
1. Could I use claw attacks with out removing a light shield?
<br />
2. What would be the minuses for doing such if any (such as TWF minuses sense you still have two shields strapped to your arms)?
<br />
3. What Weapon Training categories would claws and bits fall under, if any?
<br />
4. Can a GM make new weapon training categories in pathfinder society?</p>
<p>Thank you. </blockquote><p>The description of a light shield says "you cannot use weapons with it". Unlike a buckler which protects part of the forearm (and allows attacks at a -1 penalty), my understanding of a light shield is that it provides cover around the entire forearm, so a weapon (or claw) would not be able to effectively make contact with an enemy. Inasmuch as a natural weapon is a weapon, I'd rule that you cannot make claw attacks without removing a light shield.
<p>There is a weapon training category for natural weapons in the Fighter class description.</p>Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:This is a question about the pathfinder rules that is a bit hazy and not addressed in game play. I am thinking about doing this with my society play so I thought an official ruling would be needed.
Say I am playing a with two light shields.
1. Could I use claw attacks with out removing a light shield?
2. What would be the minuses for doing such if any (such as TWF minuses sense you still have two shields strapped to your arms)?
3. What Weapon Training categories would...Derek Poppink2009-08-20T12:51:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#42010-08-14T03:36:39Z2009-08-20T04:39:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Joshua J. Frost wrote:</div><blockquote> Where are you getting the claw and bite attacks from? </blockquote><p>A Barbarian Draconic Sorcerer?
<p>Edit: Yup I was right</p>Joshua J. Frost wrote:Where are you getting the claw and bite attacks from?
A Barbarian Draconic Sorcerer? Edit: Yup I was rightDragnmoon2009-08-20T04:39:39ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionSir Hexen Ineptushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#32009-08-20T04:38:45Z2009-08-20T04:38:45Z<p>I am getting the claws from the sorcerer blood line effect, since the barbarain got that stripped from them, and the bit from the barbarian rage power.</p>I am getting the claws from the sorcerer blood line effect, since the barbarain got that stripped from them, and the bit from the barbarian rage power.Sir Hexen Ineptus2009-08-20T04:38:45ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionJoshua J. Frosthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#22012-11-15T22:07:42Z2009-08-20T04:16:08Z<p>Where are you getting the claw and bite attacks from?</p>Where are you getting the claw and bite attacks from?Joshua J. Frost2009-08-20T04:16:08ZForums: Pathfinder Society: Rules QuestionSir Hexen Ineptushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv97?Rules-Question#12012-11-15T22:07:42Z2009-08-20T01:19:00Z<p>This is a question about the pathfinder rules that is a bit hazy and not addressed in game play. I am thinking about doing this with my society play so I thought an official ruling would be needed.</p>
<p>Say I am playing a with two light shields.
<br />
1. Could I use claw attacks with out removing a light shield?
<br />
2. What would be the minuses for doing such if any (such as TWF minuses sense you still have two shields strapped to your arms)?
<br />
3. What Weapon Training categories would claws and bits fall under, if any?
<br />
4. Can a GM make new weapon training categories in pathfinder society?</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>This is a question about the pathfinder rules that is a bit hazy and not addressed in game play. I am thinking about doing this with my society play so I thought an official ruling would be needed.
Say I am playing a with two light shields.
1. Could I use claw attacks with out removing a light shield?
2. What would be the minuses for doing such if any (such as TWF minuses sense you still have two shields strapped to your arms)?
3. What Weapon Training categories would claws and bits fall...Sir Hexen Ineptus2009-08-20T01:19:00Z