Well according to Erik, they have just decided on what the next 4 'core' classes for PFRPG are to be and they will be announced at Gen Con.....
...so you guys going make sure you post them as soon as you have them!
Here's a tidbit unrevealed elsewhere.
We decided the next four core classes for Pathfinder today. As in the whole staff agreed on the conceptual and mechanical niches and we've officially green-lit development.
And we'll announce which ones at Gen Con!
My guesses: Warlock, Swashbuckler, Scout and Assassin..why? 'cos that's what I want to see ;)
My guesses: Warlock, Swashbuckler, Scout and Assassin..why? 'cos that's what I want to see ;)
I would guess that Blackguard is among the base classes, since they've stated elsewhere that they think it should be a base class and not a PrC.
I would guess that Blackguard is among the base classes, since they've stated elsewhere that they think it should be a base class and not a PrC.
Cool I love BGuards, I am a DM :-)
I like warlocks, blackguards are fine I guess, but I am deathly afraid of prestige or indeed core class bloat so the idea that these are the 'next' 4 core classes and the possible implication that there will be more and more core classes fills me with dread.
My hope:
Norn, Ulfen Berserker, Northman Raider & Viking Thane
[I jest of course]
My fear:
Gnome Pest, Elf Branchdancer, Dwarf Beardfellow & Jazz Bard
[I again jest... ahem]
My gut:
Blackguard, Warlock??? Artificer??? Gorum knows to be honest...
BD
My money is on: Swashbuckler, Marshall (or similar), Hexblade, and Favored Soul.
Or they're developing psionics and are releasing 4 Psi classes.
I hope they will add the class-types that we are still missing.
As above already mentioned:
* A spontaneous divine caster-type
* An arcane warrior type
And perhaps
* An arcane rogue type
* An arcane or divine monk type
I'd bet my house on blackguard if I had one yet.
Beyond that, some guesses/hopes:
One interesting thing though... Erik says that they will reveal the next 4 core classes, and not the next 4 core base classes. Unless he just missed to write "base" this might indicate that the 4 classes are both base and prestige classes. If we also assume that the term "core" is used correctly this would also indicate that these four classes would be included under the PRPG license and thus can be used by 3rd party publishers.
My money is on: Swashbuckler, Marshall (or similar), Hexblade, and Favored Soul.
Or they're developing psionics and are releasing 4 Psi classes.
Psionics! That would be great.
The rest?... Swashbuckler or Scout I'd like to see. Though maybe the Swashbuckler is now redundant with the better Bard.
not to be the grumpy one, but do we need 4 new classes yet?
we've not had the PFRPG base classes yet.
Wishlist: Artificer, Factotum, Psion, Swordsage.
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Artificer, Knight, Priest, Shaman, Spellblade, Swashbuckler, Warlock and Warlord.
That's not my wishlist, that's the list of classes in The Tome of Secrets. I really hope we don't get too much overlap.
This too! Although as there's only four classes being talked about, at least 4 of them should be safe. ;-)
My guess is : Blackgaurd,psion, soulknife, and psychic warrior
One interesting thing though... Erik says that they will reveal the next 4 core classes, and not the next 4 core base classes. Unless he just missed to write "base" this might indicate that the 4 classes are both base and prestige classes. If we also assume that the term "core" is used correctly this would also indicate that these four classes would be included under the PRPG license and thus can be used by 3rd party publishers.
Actually, core means it has to be in the core rules. That means PFRPG and Bestiary.
All the Paizo rules are open content, anyway, so thid parties can already use them. I think the only company who had a lot of closed content was wizards, everyone else shares.
I think they meant base classes. We get PrCs all the time. Well, not quite all the time, and not the flood of bland PrCs a lot of D&D and d20 books have, but they're not that rare.
New Pathfinder base classes are. So far, not a single Pathfinder product had any new base classes (I'm not counting the 13 core base classes from the PHB/PFRPG).
So knowing the next PrCs might be sort of nice, but knowing the next base classes would be a big thing.
Artificer, Knight, Priest, Shaman, Spellblade, Swashbuckler, Warlock and Warlord.
That's not my wishlist, that's the list of classes in The Tome of Secrets. I really hope we don't get too much overlap.
I'm quite sure they won't do a warlock. Not a warlord, either.
My guesses: Warlock, Swashbuckler, Scout and Assassin..why? 'cos that's what I want to see ;)
I agree with the swashbuckler, that concept is probably a good one.
The rest, though: No.
The Warlock is a one trick pony. "look, I get to cast everything all day". I'd rather not have that. Casters now have a number of powers they can use several times a day (and it's said that you can make them use at will without making anything overpowered). The sorcerer can absorb the flavour, anyway.
The scout was just there to test the waters for "move and still get to do something a lot like full attacks", something I guess PFRPG fixed with feats. As for the role of scout, we already have rangers, rogues, maybe even monks.
Assassin: Nah. We have the rogue. He can be an assassin. We also have the assassin PrC. And there's the fact that everyone can kill for money. I don't think the concept needs its own base class.
I think the best way to go about this is quality over quantity: Instead of churning out base classes for every possible character concept ("new necromancer who isn't too keen on undead but likes negative energy" base class or "bard who uses motivational speeches and fights with bludgeoning weapons" base class), cover the cases that benefit from its own base class the most, and concentrate on make those base classes good.
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The thing about the Swashbuckler, Favoured Soul, Warlock, etc. is that they aren't OGL material. Any pathfinderized version couldn't just be an update of the classes, it would need to be a complete rewrite from the ground up.
My guess would be the next 4 classes will be the Psion, Wilder, Soulknife (hopefully with some interesting new idea to make them worthwhile,) and Psychic Warrior.
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I'd like to NOT see a lot of the base classes that ended up in 3.5 existing in the Pathfinder RPG.
Warlock most of all I think. We've got plenty of magic classes and magic type classes and they don't deserve to complicate things up further. Classes that exist around magic items should go too. I'm looking at you Artificer! :P
Oriental player classes belong in an Oriental Adventures book.
We certainly don't need several different flavors of fighter, ranger or rogue when you can use the base classes to be all those types in how you role play or what weapons you use.
I wouldn't be opposed to the Marshal I suppose, though that'd take a lot of work. The suggestions of Assassin and Black Guard seem fitting for the world, though Assassin wasn't in the 2nd edition D&D PhB for valid reasons.
A class that mingles a lot of different abilities would easily be done just with multi-classing...hrm.. It'd have to actually be different, something that focuses on something that's in the game but only barely without drawing attention away from the base classes that do exist. Cavalier would be nice to see come back, but that's close to the realm of the Paladin. Heck, Unearth Arcana moved Paladin as a subset of Cavalier. Beast master perhaps? Or does that trample on the Druids and Rangers. Time Lord? Too powerful...
Ahhh! Perhaps some of the older edition Pathfinder PrCs will be coming back as full fledged classes. That might be interesting to see, definitely.
I imagine they'll do the next four classes from the SRD: Psion, Psychic Warrior, Soulknife, and Wilder.
There are more than four oriental-themed classes so I doubt it'll be them. As for others like the warlock...they obviously can't make anything that in any way duplicates or borrows from WotC intellectual property so I wouldn't hold out for any of those.
But they have said they want to do the Blackguard as a full class. Other possiblities in the direction of omitted prestige classes that could be developed this way include Dwarven defender, Hierophant, and Thaumaturge.
Given that one of the iconics is a wizard/fighter, I would image one of the classes would be a gish type class. Something like Duskblade or a more effective hexblade.
There are more than four oriental-themed classes
Well, which ones will they use?
I guess the "core 4" - a warrior (Samurai), an expert (Ninja), a priest (Shugenja) and an arcanist (Wu Jen). Everything else is optional.
I would like to see a decent Swashbuckler and Psion-type. Maybe instead of a Warlock, a Witch?
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I would like to see a decent Swashbuckler and Psion-type. Maybe instead of a Warlock, a Witch?
I seem to recall a Paizonian saying that if they were going to do psionics at all, then they would want to redo them from scratch, properly. If my memory isn't betraying me (and it often does) then I think the chances of these being psionic classes is small.
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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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My guess:
Cavalier (I think it was mentioned by someone on the boards (Erik?)
Blackguard
Some Fighter mage hybrid, maybe Paladin/Ranger level in casting strength.
Spontanious divine caster.
Edit: Psionics are fine, just take the ideas from Untapped Potential to fix the holes.
My guess:
Cavalier (I think it was mentioned by someone on the boards (Erik?)
Blackguard
Some Fighter mage hybrid, maybe Paladin/Ranger level in casting strength.
Spontanious divine caster.
Those would be my guesses, too. Or at least something along very similar lines. (Note that three of those are basically "fighter, but a little different".)
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I'm hoping it's the Psionic classes. Barring that, my prefrences would be something new, something different, something original and something fresh.
Really, as far as PF versions of existing non-SRD classes, let third parties and fans take care of them. Paizo has plenty of creative minds available, hopefully they can forge in new directions instead of rehashing the old.
Any hints as to how they'll be delivering these new classes?
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Tome of Secrets has a spellblade, warlord, warlock, swashbuckler, shaman, artificer, priest, and knight, so I think we can safely rule those out as well as any classes that are very similar to them. I think that a blackguard base class is very likely. The other three may be a psionic class (or two), a hexblade done right?, and maybe an asian themed class such as a ninja or samurai.
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Paizo staff have intimated that we will eventually get a new psionics book, so psionic classes seems unlikely.
Unless they want to release classes that use SRD psionics rules but are otherwise PF compatible.
Similarly the talk about delaying the Jade Regent AP centred around not being ready for an Oriental campaign, so presumably we will have to wait for an Oriental Adventures-esque book which would include Oriental character archetypes.
Blackguard seems to have potential and swashbuckler is a natural fit (combinations of fighter, fighter/rogue, fighter/bard etc. never seems to quite catch that Alexander Dumas vibe).
Beyond that whimsy compels me to pure specualtion (rather than educated guesses): I could imagine some kind of gunslinger (ranger variant?) from ALkenstar, a gadget class of some kind, a mystic warrior or a summoner.
Cavalier (I think it was mentioned by someone on the boards (Erik?)
Blackguard
Some Fighter mage hybrid, maybe Paladin/Ranger level in casting strength.
Spontanious divine caster.
I think the last three are very likely, since they fill a gap. I'm not so sure about the Cavalier though, since you can do something along those lines with the Fighter and/or Paladin. Instead I think that one of the classes will be some sort of social/skill class as an alternative to the bard and rogue, maybe a Noble or something like that.
As for psionic classes I think they will save those for a psionic book in the future. The only reason I can see for the four classes to be psionics is if they are planning to release a psionic book during the spring next year and are doing an open playtest for that as well.
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umm to reiterate a question from above... Do we really need more classes?
It was said that yes, because there are niches left out there.
If we are creating core classes to fill every niche then the multiclassing rules should just be eliminated all together. Most niches can be filled with multiclassing.
And why does this fill me with dread? Because it smells of 4E with new "core classes" and "core this" and "core that" coming out all the time until the game is bloated with "every crappy core thing you can imagine."
If it isn't in the PHB, if it isn't in the PFRPG, no matter how "core" you call it, it isn't core. You can call it applsauce and it won't change that it is not in the core books.
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umm to reiterate a question from above... Do we really need more classes?
It was said that yes, because there are niches left out there.
If we are creating core classes to fill every niche then the multiclassing rules should just be eliminated all together. Most niches can be filled with multiclassing.
And why does this fill me with dread? Because it smells of 4E with new "core classes" and "core this" and "core that" coming out all the time until the game is bloated with "every crappy core thing you can imagine."
If it isn't in the PHB, if it isn't in the PFRPG, no matter how "core" you call it, it isn't core. You can call it applsauce and it won't change that it is not in the core books.
Krome - you are a crusty, curmudgeonous, old dwarf - - - and I agree with you.
Um, was there something about the last two years.... that.... prevented these classes from being included in the book? Everyone knows I am a PAIZO cheerleader.... but... 4 seperate pages announced at GEN CON? Hmmmmmn? So... somehow I'm supposed to be excited about 4 new pages that didn't get included in the book I was already so excited about?
If we're throwing in mud-flaps that's one thing, but I'm not thrilled with hearing that we've just decided which additional gear we're adding to the transmission.
This doesn't add up. Please help me understand!?
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umm to reiterate a question from above... Do we really need more classes?
It was said that yes, because there are niches left out there.
If we are creating core classes to fill every niche then the multiclassing rules should just be eliminated all together. Most niches can be filled with multiclassing.
And why does this fill me with dread? Because it smells of 4E with new "core classes" and "core this" and "core that" coming out all the time until the game is bloated with "every crappy core thing you can imagine."
If it isn't in the PHB, if it isn't in the PFRPG, no matter how "core" you call it, it isn't core. You can call it applsauce and it won't change that it is not in the core books.
Ok. Please tell me the best way to make the following characters with multiclassing:
An anti-paladin?
A spontaneous divine caster?
An artificer?
A psionic character?
I'm quite happy to wait but I'm pretty sure at least two of those will be impossible and the others will be rather poor substitutes.
Blackguard, ninja, pirate,... ;)
Well, it seems to me that they've been querying us along these lines for a while, so that together with their own feel for things would be a pretty solid base for development. I am surprised, however, but there should be some surprises with the big roll out. I'm not particularly worried, it'll be interesting to see what they are and it seems a little early to worry about bloat.
What in the hell am I talking about?!?
Nyquil? Or is it the Nyquil talking?
New Pathfinder base classes are. So far, not a single Pathfinder product had any new base classes (I'm not counting the 13 core base classes from the PHB/PFRPG).
Isn't there just 11 core base classes? I know that's the number in the 3.5 PHB and the Pathfinder Beta.
Could you properly use the quote system, please?
And yes, it's 11 core classes. Mea culpa.
Paizo staff have intimated that we will eventually get a new psionics book, so psionic classes seems unlikely.
Maybe eventually has come and they'll be announcing the Pathfinder Psionics Handbook.
Ok. Please tell me the best way to make the following characters with multiclassing:
An anti-paladin?
A spontaneous divine caster?
An artificer?
A psionic character?
1) cleric/fighter
2) bard (with the flavour changed)3) wizard (with the flavour changed)
4) sorcerer (with the flavour changed)
Don't get me wrong; I like more options. But to say that I need new base classes to make those character types is not true.
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New Pathfinder base classes are. So far, not a single Pathfinder product had any new base classes (I'm not counting the 13 core base classes from the PHB/PFRPG).
Isn't there just 11 core base classes? I know that's the number in the 3.5 PHB and the Pathfinder Beta.
Could you properly use the quote system, please?
And yes, it's 11 core classes. Mea culpa.
Even improperly using the quote system would be a step above that confusing post. I thought he was argueing with himself.
What in the hell am I talking about?!?Nyquil? Or is it the Nyquil talking?
Are you talking to me, my friend?
Psionicist and psychic warrior; soulknife folded into psychic warrior.
There is a lot of demand for psionics, and a long history of players arguing that psionics should be "core" or at least "supplemental core". Creating psionics classes would allow them to explicate the status of psionics in Golarion: we know it's there somewhere.
Killing soulknife would be a little ironic in backwards-compatibility terms: the main 3e Dungeon adventure with significant psionics content had a bunch of soulknives, aha.
The release of these psionics classes in Core Rulebook II would be a good occasion for a "Voyage to Vudra" module.
Some good points made for blackguard as well.
Hey, aren't you making the Avatar movie?