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GRRM has announced the next book will not be published in 2015. So, even if we get it in time for season 6, that would give him one year to write book 7. Not gonna happen. The showrunners and Martin have both indicated that he's told them the outline for the rest of the story. The show is definitely going to finish before the books. I can only imagine that will impact book sales of the last book.
I know I'll be unlikely to pay hardcover price once the show tells me how the story ends.
Actually the book's publisher said it wouldn't be published in 2015...GRRM sadly no longer gives any status updates on the book.
Does the man hate writing?
Also, regarding that preview, for book readers...
Martin's publisher merely said it wasn't on the schedule and people went ape for no reason. If the book was finished tomorrow (unlikely but not impossible), it would then go on the schedule and be out in 3 months, so it doesn't mean anything at all.
And yes, HBO now have a roadmap to the end to the series. GRRM sat down with the producers at his house over a year ago and they mapped out a path from the end of ASoS to the end of the series as a whole. He told them how it ends, what happens to the major characters, who lives and who dies, and they banged out an alternate which will in some respects mirror what happens in Books 4 and 5 (and later) and in others will go differently. According to the producers, there's no way they can tie this up in 6 seasons, but it can be done in either 7 or 8, and HBO seems to favour 7 at the moment. They can't do everything even in just the fourth and fifth books in seven seasons, so they're taking a different, more concise path.
Right now, it's looking like:
It also looks like the Oldtown subplot is going to be cut altogether. Word on the street is that Jaqen H'Ghar will meet Arya in Braavos and tutor her there. With no Jaqen in Oldtown, no casting for Sam's father and with it not looking Sam is going there either, that whole story is looking dead in the water at the moment.
It also looks like Quentyn, the Golden Company, and the Griffs are all gone as well.
On the basis, I think it's more likely that Tyrion (and Varys?) will go straight to Dany in Meereen and light a fire under her to get her back to Westeros in Season 6, possibly with Dorne simply supporting her from the get-go (I suspect Quentyn's death in the books will push Dorne into supporting the Golden Company, which will backfire badly and likely leave Dorne in a bad state when Dany does show up).
It also looks like Stoneheart is also gone, which leaves where Brienne and Pod's story goes next up in the air, along with Sansa and Littlefinger's.
OTOH, the stories of Jon, Stannis (with the addition of Davos), Cersei, Dany, the High Sparrow and his followers and so on are all going to go down at least somewhat similar to the books. The Dornish story is also going to be similar, but with Jaime on hand (so to speak) and the Sand Snakes and Ellaria standing in for Darkstar and Arianne.
Ok, like most of you trying to get to watch this tonight.
Could someone please explain to me how hbo now works? I don't get the current design paradigm of having apps that don't actually exist anywhere on the computer for me to interact with.
I bit the bullet and got an I tunes account
I downloaded I tunes
I have the hbo now ap.
I can't make it do anything.
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I know with HBO now, its a subscription service, maybe you have to link your itunes to an HBO account or something. its for people that don't have HBO on there cable service, so they can watch HBO.
HBO go is different, that is for people that have HBO with there cable service, just sign in with your cable account infor and good to go.
Hope that helps.
Solid first episode. They are starting to go away more from the books.
Is anyone else still watching?
Very much so. A little slow to start off , but i'm not surprised because it was a slow book . I love how they're merging a few of the more extraneous plotlines together.
As of last season I've realised the show just works so much better when you watch it all in two-three sittings, so I'm waiting for the DVD to come out.
yeah I am still watching. I am okay with the merger of plotlines, but still scratching my head over some of the changes, which require characters to be holding the idiot ball as regards decision-making.
Still watching still enjoying it.
yeah I am still watching. I am okay with the merger of plotlines, but still scratching my head over some of the changes, which require characters to be holding the idiot ball as regards decision-making.
I think Jamies trying to hold the honor ball (one handed) which often looks the same. That at least got some lampshading.
Who else is being an especially big idiot?
Littlefinger's master plan....doesn't seem terribly well worked out
Littlefinger's master plan....doesn't seem terribly well worked out
Step One - Steal underpants.
Step Three - Make profit.
What could possibly go wrong with his plan?
Littlefinger's master plan....doesn't seem terribly well worked out
Well, I wouldn't assume that the plan he gave Sansa is actually the plan.
He wants to be king, and he wants Cat. Cat being dead... he probably wants her daughter.
Stanis comes in, kills bolton. heads south, kills the lanisters. He maries sansa, kills a weakened stannis, and nothing is left to oppose him.
Because he probably doesn't know how well Danerys is doing.
That plans requires way more luck than a solid plan does...
What would a solid plan look like?
Okay, so here are the issues I see with the current plan:
One, this requires Sansa to emerge from the scenario alive. First, she is marrying a Bolton, a family with a thousand year reputation of flaying people for sport, and whose heir is already earning a reputation for barbarity. It also requires Sansa to survive any siege from Stannis...she could just as easily be killed in the fighting, or slain by the Boltons in a "if we can't have the North neither can you".
Second it involves Stannis winning. I guess on the show this maybe isn't a big concern, but still the Boltons have a home field advantage. (In the books the odds are very much NOT in Stannis' favor, at least not at the outset)
Third, it involves Stannis making her warden of the North and not just marrying her off to some lordling in his army as a reward, or marrying her to another Northman to shore up his alliance. Either way she is out of reach of Littlefinger's influence.
Fourth, it involves Stannis being able to retake the South. I don't think that is a sure thing. The Tyrells and Lanisters are currently at each other throats, and I don't think a fixed outcome is in place. It's all predicated on Cersei screwing things up in such a way that she weakens not only the Lannisters but also the Tyrells. Stannis is fair but stern, and the show does follow the books in that he would not be the type of ruler who can easily win the love of the people.
What would a solid plan look like?Okay, so here are the issues I see with the current plan:
One, this requires Sansa to emerge from the scenario alive. First, she is marrying a Bolton, a family with a thousand year reputation of flaying people for sport, and whose heir is already earning a reputation for barbarity. It also requires Sansa to survive any siege from Stannis...she could just as easily be killed in the fighting, or slain by the Boltons in a "if we can't have the North neither can you".
If they try that, she can have her loyal northern peasants go let them eat cake on the boltons.
Second it involves Stannis winning. I guess on the show this maybe isn't a big concern, but still the Boltons have a home field advantage. (In the books the odds are very much NOT in Stannis' favor, at least not at the outset)
The boltons are stuck in castle where everyone within a thousand miles HATES them. There's an army out AND inside the walls just waiting for sansa's "ATTACK THEM MY PEASANT MINIONS!"
Third, it involves Stannis making her warden of the North and not just marrying her off to some lordling in his army as a reward, or marrying her to another Northman to shore up his alliance. Either way she is out of reach of Littlefinger's influence.
Littlefinger is the master of the smith and weason divorce. He's done it twice so far, and once for THAT bride.
Fourth, it involves Stannis being able to retake the South. I don't think that is a sure thing. The Tyrells and Lanisters are currently at each other throats, and I don't think a fixed outcome is in place. It's all predicated on Cersei screwing things up in such a way that she weakens not only the Lannisters but also the Tyrells. Stannis is fair but stern, and the show does follow the books in that he would not be the type of ruler who can easily win the love of the people.
He doesn't need stanis to win, just weaken the tryells and lanisters enough to swoop on them with the north.
Agreed BNW.
vallor mughulis.
vallor mughulis.
Hah! Well, true as that is, still a let down.
Does the man hate writing?
Also, regarding that preview, for book readers...
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Apparently yes.
Stannis: "Fewer."
Agreed BNW. ** spoiler omitted **
I think they intend to give all of Barristan's stuff from later in Dance to Tyrion. We know from the trailers/on set pics that Tyrion meets up Dany this season, which so far has not happened in the books
Stupid sexy Ramsey.
I dunno about the servant army, might be a lure set by Roose.
Guess Bran is sitting out this season.
Bad. Bad goblin.
New episode
Tyrion has certainly maxed out Bluff
Dorne section was meh
Arya at last. Bran seems to be taking the season off.
Winterfall, ugh.
Winterfall was tough to watch, but for those last 5 minutes, I was all "Jeyne Poole had it worse in the books!"
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I'm not saying that made it a fun viewing experience or anything.
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yeah....there was a bit of the table flipping from me and my friends on that scene.
Yeah I am not a big fan of the Dorne plotline this year. It doesn't seem to make much sense really.
The only good thing watching Cersei is knowing what's coming for her...
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The only good thing watching Cersei is knowing what's coming for her...
Agreed :-)
Granted, that's what happens in the books. They may change it up a bit for the HBO show.
Also, who is Jeyne Poole? I like the show but I've never read the books, so new or lesser character's names can be very tough to keep track of!
I haven't read the books, but a look at book-related wikis suggests very serious deviations between print and TV here. Jeyne Poole is the daughter of the steward of Winterfell, and Sansa Stark's best friend. A series of events has Jeyne being sent to Winterfell claiming to be Arya Stark, where she (as Arya) is married off to Ramsay Bolton. Theon knows she's not Arya but warns her to maintain the masquerade. Her marriage to Ramsay is, predictably, very unpleasant. After escaping Winterfell she continues to be "Arya", lying to Stannis Baratheon about her identity.
2 or so seasons left? With us on episode 6 right now I dunno how they can do it unless they do 1 hour specials. Such as Tyrion and Dany meeting up and heading back to Westros in 1, the siege of Winterfell and Sansa in 1 and so on The fight(if there is one) with the Walkers is most certainly more than 1 episode to deal with
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Also, who is Jeyne Poole? I like the show but I've never read the books, so new or lesser character's names can be very tough to keep track of!I haven't read the books, but a look at book-related wikis suggests very serious deviations between print and TV here. Jeyne Poole is the daughter of the steward of Winterfell, and Sansa Stark's best friend. A series of events has Jeyne being sent to Winterfell claiming to be Arya Stark, where she (as Arya) is married off to Ramsay Bolton. Theon knows she's not Arya but warns her to maintain the masquerade. Her marriage to Ramsay is, predictably, very unpleasant. After escaping Winterfell she continues to be "Arya", lying to Stannis Baratheon about her identity.
Oh, ok! She's the girl who is Bolton's current 'girlfriend' (the one he was saying was jealous of Sansa) and was giving Sansa a bath? I was thinking she was not to be trusted and was only getting close to Sansa to try and kill her or something, not honestly trying to befriend her ...
Oh, ok! She's the girl who is Bolton's current 'girlfriend' (the one he was saying was jealous of Sansa) and was giving Sansa a bath? I was thinking she was not to be trusted and was only getting close to Sansa to try and kill her or something, not honestly trying to befriend her ...Also, who is Jeyne Poole? I like the show but I've never read the books, so new or lesser character's names can be very tough to keep track of!I haven't read the books, but a look at book-related wikis suggests very serious deviations between print and TV here. Jeyne Poole is the daughter of the steward of Winterfell, and Sansa Stark's best friend. A series of events has Jeyne being sent to Winterfell claiming to be Arya Stark, where she (as Arya) is married off to Ramsay Bolton. Theon knows she's not Arya but warns her to maintain the masquerade. Her marriage to Ramsay is, predictably, very unpleasant. After escaping Winterfell she continues to be "Arya", lying to Stannis Baratheon about her identity.
No, Jayne isn't in the show at all. They are just basically giving all of her stuff to Sansa it seems. In the books, Sansa all but is unheard of in the events happening here in the show. We would not have seen her at all.
As to Bran, the show runners have said that they will keep it the way the books are, and we won't be seeing Bran this year.
Hope that helps!!
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Oh, ok! She's the girl who is Bolton's current 'girlfriend' (the one he was saying was jealous of Sansa) and was giving Sansa a bath? I was thinking she was not to be trusted and was only getting close to Sansa to try and kill her or something, not honestly trying to befriend her ...Also, who is Jeyne Poole? I like the show but I've never read the books, so new or lesser character's names can be very tough to keep track of!I haven't read the books, but a look at book-related wikis suggests very serious deviations between print and TV here. Jeyne Poole is the daughter of the steward of Winterfell, and Sansa Stark's best friend. A series of events has Jeyne being sent to Winterfell claiming to be Arya Stark, where she (as Arya) is married off to Ramsay Bolton. Theon knows she's not Arya but warns her to maintain the masquerade. Her marriage to Ramsay is, predictably, very unpleasant. After escaping Winterfell she continues to be "Arya", lying to Stannis Baratheon about her identity.No, Jayne isn't in the show at all. They are just basically giving all of her stuff to Sansa it seems. In the books, Sansa all but is unheard of in the events happening here in the show. We would not have seen her at all.
As to Bran, the show runners have said that they will keep it the way the books are, and we won't be seeing Bran this year.
Hope that helps!!
Got it!
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Cersei spoiler for show:
I'll just leave this here. The man for all seasons.
Epic and worthy of the mic drop.
Once it was confirmed that the wedding was going to happen, there was no way for it to be anything but terrible for Sansa. Barring a last second appearance from Brienne(which would be out of character for the show), that scene would happen. Attempting to do what she did with Tyrion(saying that she isn't ready.) would have been even more painful for her.
Oh, ok! She's the girl who is Bolton's current 'girlfriend' (the one he was saying was jealous of Sansa) and was giving Sansa a bath? I was thinking she was not to be trusted and was only getting close to Sansa to try and kill her or something, not honestly trying to befriend her ...Also, who is Jeyne Poole? I like the show but I've never read the books, so new or lesser character's names can be very tough to keep track of!I haven't read the books, but a look at book-related wikis suggests very serious deviations between print and TV here. Jeyne Poole is the daughter of the steward of Winterfell, and Sansa Stark's best friend. A series of events has Jeyne being sent to Winterfell claiming to be Arya Stark, where she (as Arya) is married off to Ramsay Bolton. Theon knows she's not Arya but warns her to maintain the masquerade. Her marriage to Ramsay is, predictably, very unpleasant. After escaping Winterfell she continues to be "Arya", lying to Stannis Baratheon about her identity.No, Jayne isn't in the show at all. They are just basically giving all of her stuff to Sansa it seems. In the books, Sansa all but is unheard of in the events happening here in the show. We would not have seen her at all.
As to Bran, the show runners have said that they will keep it the way the books are, and we won't be seeing Bran this year.
Hope that helps!!
Jeyne actually appeared briefly in the first episode of the first season. She's the one Sansa is chatting with at the banquet in
Winterfell.
I've been kinda wondering if Kevin is gonna show up again at some point. There are things that happen with him that I am curious to see if they do.
Kevin Lannister is actually in the first episode or so. He is at the small council meeting but storms out when it's obvious Cersei intends to keep Tommen a puppet
Oh, ok! She's the girl who is Bolton's current 'girlfriend' (the one he was saying was jealous of Sansa) and was giving Sansa a bath? I was thinking she was not to be trusted and was only getting close to Sansa to try and kill her or something, not honestly trying to befriend her ...Also, who is Jeyne Poole? I like the show but I've never read the books, so new or lesser character's names can be very tough to keep track of!I haven't read the books, but a look at book-related wikis suggests very serious deviations between print and TV here. Jeyne Poole is the daughter of the steward of Winterfell, and Sansa Stark's best friend. A series of events has Jeyne being sent to Winterfell claiming to be Arya Stark, where she (as Arya) is married off to Ramsay Bolton. Theon knows she's not Arya but warns her to maintain the masquerade. Her marriage to Ramsay is, predictably, very unpleasant. After escaping Winterfell she continues to be "Arya", lying to Stannis Baratheon about her identity.No, Jayne isn't in the show at all. They are just basically giving all of her stuff to Sansa it seems. In the books, Sansa all but is unheard of in the events happening here in the show. We would not have seen her at all.
As to Bran, the show runners have said that they will keep it the way the books are, and we won't be seeing Bran this year.
Hope that helps!!
Jeyne actually appeared briefly in the first episode of the first season. She's the one Sansa is chatting with at the banquet in
Winterfell.
True. I'd forgotten that. They probably didn't want to keep her around and active enough for everyone to remember her.
Over on the rpg.net forum, someone posted the crazy and scary thought that Cersi might win the game of thrones because everyone else is either dead or too weak to challenge her. *eek*