Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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Werthead wrote:
The aforementioned io9 article I contributed to. We talk pretty heavily about events from Books 4 and 5, so SPOILERS and definitely don't read if you're not up to date on the books.

That was a really cool article. Thanks for sharing (and contributing)!

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Just found out season 3 will be out on blu ray/ dvd on February 18 2014.


Oh man, I can’t believe I didn’t start watching GoT until this month. I just finished season 1… it’s great!


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Jason S wrote:

Oh man, I can’t believe I didn’t start watching GoT until this month. I just finished season 1… it’s great!

If you are only up to season one, you are required to wear a blindfold while reading this thread. Just saying!


CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Just found out season 3 will be out on blu ray/ dvd on February 18 2014.

Which would mean it'll show up on "free" TV in Sweden by early January. It's a good thing I've read the books or the wait would be pretty darn annoying.

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I've only seen one episode!

Course I read the books.

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I've just seen this sparkling gem. Been laughing and rewatching it for a while now.


Hama wrote:
I've just seen this sparkling gem. Been laughing and rewatching it for a while now.

That's... actually pretty funny.

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Hama wrote:
I've just seen this sparkling gem. Been laughing and rewatching it for a while now.

Worse 3 min link ever

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It's worst. And care to elaborate on that?


I found it amusing.

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I chuckled.

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"Book better than the movie" is the rustiest saw in the box and GOT jokes are so 2012. Also, music was terri-bad.

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Reminded me of Rage Against the Machine. I don't really think that the music was the point. But it was decent.
Also, yeah, books are always better then movies.


Pan wrote:
"Book better than the movie" is the rustiest saw in the box and GOT jokes are so 2012. Also, music was terri-bad.

I'm guessing you didn't read the book. :p


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This is great. There's a mod (fan-made version) for the strategy game CRUSADER KINGS II which allows you to play in Westeros rather than medieval Europe. PC GAMER magazine is running a diary of someone playing as Ned Stark and trying to do a better job than in the books. Unfortunately, it all goes a bit wrong from the very start.

Some spoilers from the first book and the first season of the TV show, although it deviates from the book/TV storyline almost immediately, so nothing further is spoiled.

Even if you have no interest in gaming, this is quite entertaining:
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.


Werthead wrote:
This is great. There's a mod (fan-made version) for the strategy game CRUSADER KINGS II which allows you to play in Westeros rather than medieval Europe. PC GAMER magazine is running a diary of someone playing as Ned Stark and trying to do a better job than in the books. Unfortunately, it all goes a bit wrong from the very start.

I've been playing that mod and I like it. A lot.

Edit: Also a hilarious read. Thanks for sharing! Whoops, poor Reeds.


Mark Gatiss has been cast in an as-yet-unconfirmed role for Season 4.

Mark Gatiss is a British writer, actor and comedian. He is best-known for his work on DOCTOR WHO, which has has guest-starred in, written for (both novels and scripts) and, most recently, wrote the docu-drama about the show's origins, starring GAME OF THRONES actor David Bradley (Walder Frey).

He is also the writer and deputy showrunner (under Steven Moffatt) on the BBC series SHERLOCK, starring Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman. Gatiss also guest-stars on that show as Mycroft Holmes.

British TV fans will also recognise him as one of the actor-writer-comedians in THE LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN.

No word yet on whom he is playing, although the strongest bet is:

Spoiler:
Mace Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden and the Reach, father of Loras and Margaery Tyrell.

Other suggestions:

Spoiler:
Coldhands or his boss, Bloodraven.
A recast Bowen Marsh (Marsh was cast in S1, but the actor was never identified as Marsh).
The Master of the House of Black and White in Braavos (likely too early for that storyline).
Aeron Greyjoy.
Randyll Tarly (again, he's more likely to appear in later seasons).

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Pan wrote:
"Book better than the movie" is the rustiest saw in the box and GOT jokes are so 2012. Also, music was terri-bad.

The point of the clip was to take two well established ideas - rage music & the rather nerdy claim that "the book is better than the movie", and combine them together to create something which is amusing, because of the contrast.

Of course no joke is funny after you explain it, but my point is that you were looking at the video the wrong way. It's not about the music and not about that old books vs. movie argument - it's just a new and surprising way to to relay that argument.

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Lord Snow wrote:
Pan wrote:
"Book better than the movie" is the rustiest saw in the box and GOT jokes are so 2012. Also, music was terri-bad.

The point of the clip was to take two well established ideas - rage music & the rather nerdy claim that "the book is better than the movie", and combine them together to create something which is amusing, because of the contrast.

Of course no joke is funny after you explain it, but my point is that you were looking at the video the wrong way. It's not about the music and not about that old books vs. movie argument - it's just a new and surprising way to to relay that argument.

Nope I got it. Still wasn't any good.

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Then you didn't get it.

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Hama wrote:
Then you didn't get it.

It's possible to 'get' a joke and still not find it funny. I watched the clip, certainly understood why it was supposed to clever, and simply did not find it funny.

Maybe we should just drop this, move on and get back to talking about the show itself .... what do you say?


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Marc Radle wrote:
Hama wrote:
Then you didn't get it.

It's possible to 'get' a joke and still not find it funny. I watched the clip, certainly understood why it was supposed to clever, and simply did not find it funny.

Maybe we should just drop this, move on and get back to talking about the show itself .... what do you say?

I think it was less about being clever and more about venting some frustration in a funny (or not so funny) way. I've been in the exact situation as the guy in the video. People, "normal" people who would die before reading a nerdy fantasy novel (which ASoIaF definitely was just a few years ago), come up to you at a party and want to discuss their new favourite show and/or book. And that's great and everything. But this is the same people who thought I was ridiculous for reading childish fantasy literature 16 years ago and looked at us funny when we were discussing Jon's true lineage or whatever.

I think it's great that the genre is reaching out like this, but it's also ancient history to me. I don't yell at people for thinking this is new, but it's funny to see someone who does. In a humorous way. The thought has definitely crossed my mind.

But hey, we got our vindication on the night that S03E09 aired. You could sustain yourself on nothing but twitter feeds for a week after that.

Aaaahh.

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Man, i remember that night. I watched it with at least ten friends in the house of a friend who had a huge plasma screen TV. Most of those friends were girls who have previously not read the book and vehemently refused to do so (for whatever stupid reason they had). Two friends and i knew what was going to happen. It was priceless.

I just regret that we didn't film that and upload it to youtube.


Now this is funny.

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Kajehase wrote:
Now this is funny.

Is this for a convention? it's so AWESOME!


Mark Gatiss interviewed at Comic-Con about his GAME OF THRONES role. He is very cagey indeed.

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The whole Game of Thrones Comic Con panel

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Hama wrote:
Also, yeah, books are always better then movies.

Absolutes are rarely true.

While I haven't read the books, from what I've heard, if the show continues to advance the plot much beyond where it has left off at the end of season 3, it will be better than the (later) books of the series, which have faced much criticism for consisting largely of GRRM treading water.


Werthead wrote:
Mark Gatiss interviewed at Comic-Con about his GAME OF THRONES role. He is very cagey indeed.

As much as I like Mr. Gatiss, this just makes me want to see Benihana Cumberbund and Andrew Scott cast in GoT as well.

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Best to do what Simon, I mean Tyrion says.

Epic, love Peter Dinklage. I see broadway in his future since now we know he can sing. :)

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Season 4 premire date

Just about 3 months away. :)


Very much looking forward to this season - it should contain some of my favorite parts of the novel series.


As long as Joffrey gets killed in horrific fashion, I'll be happy.

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Spoiler:
Will poison and excruciating pain do?

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Kthulhu wrote:
Hama wrote:
Also, yeah, books are always better then movies.

Absolutes are rarely true.

While I haven't read the books, from what I've heard, if the show continues to advance the plot much beyond where it has left off at the end of season 3, it will be better than the (later) books of the series, which have faced much criticism for consisting largely of GRRM treading water.

The series is already so much worse than the books that I find your claim questionable. Also, the series is worst when it creates it's own story line, that tend to be stupid, inconsistent and a general attempt to please short attention spans.

spoilers for season 2:

For example, the way the show handled Danny's story in the second book was sooooo bad. After watching an entire series about how darned difficult it is to conquer westeros, are we supposed to believe all the absurd power shifting that happens in Qarth? where the black dude and the sorcerers simply take control of the city by assasinating some beurocrats - meaning probably that Qarth doesn't have a standing army and a host of smaller time politicians who can take the reins of something happens to the current council? Can we believe that after Danny defeated the sorcerers at their House of the Undying, she could just march her troops into the room of the current leader of the city, capture him, throw him into that safe, grab a bunch of loot, buy a ship and sail away? again, does this city have no army? why is the barbarian tribe allowed to break into the palace?

No, the show does a TERRIBLE job of coming up with it's own plotlines. If they change what Martin did with his books (or, even worse, advance beyond the point where he's written) it will become such a bad show that even non book readers should be able to tell the difference.

Regardless of that, I have decided to stop watching the show after episode 9 of season 3 - not because of the Big Event that took place in that episode, but because there was an actual spoiler in that episode to events that didn't happen in the books yet - not only am I furious about that, but it's also enough to scare me away from viewing any more until I finish reading the books.


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Regardless of that, I have decided to stop watching the show after episode 9 of season 3 - not because of the Big Event that took place in that episode, but because there was an actual spoiler in that episode to events that didn't happen in the books yet - not only am I furious about that, but it's also enough to scare me away from viewing any more until I finish reading the books.

What event was that?

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The Melisandre/Arya meeting and the suggestion they will have future dealings? That was in an earlier episode, and IIRC, is establishing a non-book relationship that the TV show wants to explore further, not necessarily predicting something that will 100% happen in the books as well.


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Book Spoiler:
If it is the Arya and Melisandre meeting in the future, I assume it's a reference to her mixed up prophecy Dance of Dragons, when she mistakes the Karstark girl for Arya

Show Spoiler:
As far as Dany's season 2 storyline. While I love the books and think Dany's section is fine a Clash of Kings, I don't think a direct adaptation would work well for TV. It's mostly her sitting around until the very end, when she encounters the sorcerors. Who basically invited her there and she didn't have to accept their invitation. For all it's faults...At least the show plotline gave her a more proactive role.

Really...if you are ever going to watch any adaptation of any book, you have to go with the flow and accept the adaptation as it's own stand alone. What works in literature doesn't often work in TV or Movie. I can enjoy both the books and the TV show, because I can treat them as separate works.

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Werthead wrote:
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Regardless of that, I have decided to stop watching the show after episode 9 of season 3 - not because of the Big Event that took place in that episode, but because there was an actual spoiler in that episode to events that didn't happen in the books yet - not only am I furious about that, but it's also enough to scare me away from viewing any more until I finish reading the books.

What event was that?

** spoiler omitted **

This spoiler is for the show and for all five books (up to and including Dance). Given that I specify what I believe is a spoiler to book 6 (or just very well based speculation), read at your own peril.:

Not that (though there were several other spoilerific details to that event - like the fact that the show runners felt comfortable enough to drop the bastard from Storm's End and replace him with Gandrey, meaning one of the two will probably not be important for the story in the future).

I was referring to a scene with Sam and Gilly. Sam tells her some of the history of the Night's Watch, and Gilly is so impressed that she says something completely out of character:

"You know all of that just from reading book? you must be a...wizard!"

(How the heck would Gilly know the word Wizard or it's meaning?)
Anyway, as she says that, the camera lingers on her face for just a bit too long, giving me the feeling that foreshadowing is happening. Given that Sam is currently in Oldtown, mingling with wizards... I was suspecting wizardry might be in store for him anyway, and now I'm sure of it. That's the show spoilering something 3 books in advance, and it's unacceptable to me. The books are the good stuff, the show is a sweet bonus. Not the other way around.


Lord Snow wrote:


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I see, but I'm not too sure about that.

Spoiler:
Sam's clearly been set up as someone with an interest in magic. It's mentioned several times and in AFFC he goes to the Citadel to meet Marwyn 'the Mage' and, apparently planned for by Aemon, to train with him. That doesn't quite happen (due to Marwyn taking off to see Dany), but Sam's still knocking around with Marwyn's students, including that Dornish princess-in-disguise, and may pick up some stuff from them in Book 6, not to mention a chance to study the Valyrian candles and look for info on the Others in the Citadel's library.

I think this is a case of the TV show prefiguring something the characters do in later books earlier on, because they have that foreknowledge that not even GRRM had when writing the books. Melisandre's comments to Arya about her becoming an assassin and Theon boasting (even more than in the books) about his sexual prowess clearly fall into that category as well.


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I don't see that as a spoiler, so much as a throwback to the first season comment about Sam wanting to be a wizard when he grows up (Which is a well known enough reference to be pasted in memes and even T-shirts). For Sam, someone comparing him to a wizard is probably about the nicest compliment he could imagine (especially coming from a cute girl).

I also don't see that as being odd for Gilly to know about wizards...Most of the wildlings share the same ancestry, language, and ancient history as much of Westeros, so they probably have stories about wizards (although a wizard north of the wall might be imagined differently south of the Wall).

As for combining characters, I wouldn't read much about that. Nonbook reviewers get confused about minor characters as is. For an adaptation it's probably better to streamline whenever possible. In this case, combining two bastards means you can keep using a character familiar (and popular with) viewers for a longer period of time, and do away with any possible issues from having an actor sit out a season or hire extra people

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Werthead wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:


** spoiler omitted **

I see, but I'm not too sure about that.

** spoiler omitted **

[spoiler-serious book spoilers!]

The thing is that I think they are not only using knowledge from books 4 and 5 here, they are using knowledge they have from books yet unpublished because GRRM told them the general direction the story goes, and they know stuff you and I don't know yet.
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I honestly feel pretty sure right now that Sam is going to become a powerful wizard in the citadel - he is very intelligent, and now he has the environment to learn, and given the foreshadowing they did there... I think Sam is going to go through a training process similar to Arya's, and come out of it a kickass wizard. Before seeing that cursed episode, I had doubts about that.

Speaking of which, it really seems like the theme of book 6 is going to be, "all those who were once helpless are coming back with a vengeance" - that will be Bran, Arya, Tyrion, Sam, maybe even Theon. For sure Lady Stoneheart. Oh, and Sansa.

Did anybody notice that all the men in the series has pretty much killed each other off, leaving the power in the hands of women, children, crippled and otherwise dis-empowered? That's something nice to think about.


I've watched this like 20 times tonight so should probably actually post the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZY43QSx3Fk

Finally...Season 4 trailer!.


Are there wizards in the lore? I've always thought the people with magic abilities as evil clerics?

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Lord Snow wrote:
Did anybody notice that all the men in the series has pretty much killed each other off, leaving the power in the hands of women, children, crippled and otherwise dis-empowered? That's something nice to think about.

Yes. That is one of the more realistic aspect of GoT's plotline: before the 1980's wars were fought by men, leaving tons of widows and orphans behind. Also perhaps one of the reasons why in the 50's and 60's the (horrible) look of a man had nothing to do with his ability to successfully get a (hot) wife... (if you came back alive, you usually had a lady lined up)


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Are there wizards in the lore? I've always thought the people with magic abilities as evil clerics?

There aren't technically 'wizards' as such, but outside of the religious factions there are pyromancers, shadowbinders, wargs and dragon-riders (who aren't wizards as such, but have a magical subconscious affinity with dragons). The closest thing we have to traditional wizards are the Warlocks of Qarth. They're certainly not commonplace.


Ok thats what i thought. I pictured Sam being more of a possible scholar and eventually getting his chains to become a maester but theres no evidence of that. If i was comparing him to a D&D character i would say he is level 0 fighter/mage with no spells but has strong skills in knowledge especially history

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People, seriously, use spoiler tags. We are discussing things that are a couple of seasons away from where the show is now.

Werthead -

Spoiler:

There are Wizards, I believe... I mean, Maesters have a valyrian chain link to signify a study in magic, so supposedly at certain points in history some of them were capable of magic. How would you call a learned magician, if not "wizard"?


hey John Snow. I hope your spoiler theorys come true though maybe book 7 as he keeps introducing new characters.

My theory is 3 people are key based on 3 dragons

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15 minute preview of season 4

Has big spoilers from first 3 seasons.

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