Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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Doh! How did it slip my mind that they found Rickon?

I am going by Martin's words about giants that they speak the language 'After a fashion' We just hear English because for our benefit.

Clothes? So we don't see 2' willies? Or they gets some from Wildlings, I do believe the original giants are all hairy like apes and go naked.

As for running, even dogs would make tracks from the wights.


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Book giants are far more uncivilized... But the show isn't the books. These giants even use freaking longbows (with great accuracy, it seems). I doubt they couldn't understand how to use a shield.

I don't think Littlefinger would risk holding his forces in front of Sansa while her brother went to battle (LF delivering her to the Boltons makes no f%#@ing sense!)... And Davos would've acted anyway.


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I don't exactly disagree that Littlefinger showing up with the Knights of the Vale was predictable, but it's predictable ever since Littlefinger and Robyn Arryn decided to help her back in episode whichever when they didn't throw Ser Royce out the moon door. At a certain point, it's less predictability than just the way the story is plotted.

What I liked very, very much was the way Sansa was the only one who kept her head and actually out thought Ramsey. Jon lost his head and went running in to save Rickon, and it didn't work; Davos got antsy and went running in to save Jon and the Wildlings, and it didn't work; Sansa waited until Ramsey had overextended his soldiers, and decimated them with her cavalry.

So, any guesses as to whether we'll see the Stark sigil back on Winterfell in the lead in next week, or have to wait till next season?


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I think we will see the original version of Winterfell (with the Stark wolf head) in the opening credits next week since the Starks once again are in control of it.


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So that fight scene at the end was the most expensive TV fight scene ever filmed. According to the radio this morning.

And I didn't think the knights of the vale showing up was predictable. I honestly thought Ramsey was going to win because that is what this show does to us.

I wonder if we will see the Kahleesi and her dragons arrive in Westeros at the end of the finale or if we have to wait till next season. Which I already cant wait for.


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Hitdice wrote:
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Sansa didn't "wait until they had exhausted themselves". Littlefinger's knights attacked as soon as they arrived.

And my problem isn't with the knights of the Vale arrivng... But they arriving in the nick of time, when all seems lost. That a bit too convinient for my tastes.

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Lemmy wrote:
spoilery stuff

Seemed to be a running theme.

Oh noes, Mereen is being toasted and apparently has no defenses! Cue Dany returning right on time.


Set wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
spoilery stuff

Seemed to be a running theme.

Oh noes, Mereen is being toasted and apparently has no defenses! Cue Dany returning right on time.

Indeed... At least she has three excuses...

1- Dragons are apparently really fast.
2- She didn't arrive at the most crucial time... The battle had been going for a while and would probably go a while longer if she hadn't arrived.
3- Tyrion and the others were literally holding out in the pyramid to wait for her arrival.

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As for my reaction to the episode, woo, what a great first quarter, with fire and much burning!

The last quarter? Nooooo! They killed

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Wun-wun
! Those bastards!

I'm a little annoyed that

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Littlefinger actually showed up, since treachery is kind of his hat, and it would have done my cruel black heart good to see that smug look wiped off Sansa's face when this decision of hers failed as spectacularly as every other decision she's made on this show. I get enough of 'smug character is smug, and then vindicated by arbitrary events beyond their control, instead of having an ounce of common sense' from Dany. I was actually surprised that the Blackfish was where he said he was, since he's historically a lying liar guy, and her decision to lie about where she got that information seemed like an implicit admission that she didn't trust his conveniently timed information, even if she was willing to get everyone killed by relying on it. At least part of that is just me hating Littlefinger, and wanting him to *not* be useful. :)

Anywho. Dragons! And Giants (or giant, singular, but still)! Woo! They really manage to make that giant look *amazing.*


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It didn't look to me like they did arrive in the nick of time. At no point did we see LIttlefinger ride up all out of breath and say "We made it, we made it!" We saw Littlefinger and Sansa sitting on a hill like this had been their plan all along.

Reading between the lines, I think Sansa's been coordinating with Littlefinger since she and Jon were gathering their forces, and decided not to tell Jon on the eve of the battle because he just wasn't being realistic about Rickon's chances of survival, and was severely underestimating Ramsey. If the Knights of the Vale to begin with, Ramsey would have said, "Hey, they've got more people than we thought, let's just stay inside till the winter kills them."

I guess I'm saying Sansa tricked you just like she did Ramsey. :P

Edits: Oops, that was to Lemmy 19 mins ago.


Lemmy wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
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With littlefinger in charge, they were probably waiting until Ramsay was... occupied.. with his victory and maximum casualties had already been inflicted on both sides.


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There was a spoiler for this episode in the opening credits:

Opening credits spoiler:
Aidan Gillen's name appeared in the opening credits, so observant viewers would have known that Littlefinger would show up at some point in last night's episode.


Hitdice wrote:
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What we saw was Littlefinger suddenly appear beside Sansa after his forces attacked, as if he simply went to meet her while his knights charged the Boltons. Littlefinger didn't participate in the battle because 1- He isn't a warrior. 2- He's not someone who'd risk his life.

There's no reason to believe she did anything other than send a raven asking for help. She knows nothing about battles. She says it herself (and nothing in the show indicates otherwise).

Besides... Why would she risk having her brother killed just so Littlefinger can show up at the most dramatic moment? They could've just flanked the Boltons and win just the same. If she did that, she's not just an idiot, but a selfish idiot that would rather risk Jon's life than tell him reinforcements are coming. ¬¬


In other stuff, did people see the teaser for Westworld before the how? Anthony Hopkins being in it is promising.

As for Littlefinger betraying yet again, his weak spot is Cait/Sansa. If he galloped up to Ramsey, Sansa would have chugged some manticore venom since she said she isn't going to be captured alive and Littlefinger still wants Sansa.


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Lemmy wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
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I don't disagree that it looked like LF went to Sansa while the Knights of the Vale charged the phalanx, I just think they waited to attack until Ramsey had dropped his guard because the battle was over except for the mopping up, rather than riding all night to get there in the nick of time.

To be honest, I think Sansa has had already made the "selfish idiot" set of decisions about Rickon before the battle started. Throughout the series, everyone's always complained about how passive Sansa is and her lack of agency, but she's not that character anymore. That doesn't mean she's necessarily, like, a nice person. I'll be completely unsurprised if she murders Littlefinger in the season finale.

. . . And then Dany and Yara will show up at Winterfell riding Drogon, and Yara will be all like "Dayum, you're hot girl, how 'bout a three-way?" and Sansa will go, "This is HBO, not television, so I'm into it, but I just regained my throne, gimme a minute, okay?" and Dany be all, "Your throne? That's such a turn on! Hey, Yara, while we're waiting for Sansa to finish up work, why don't we fly down to King's Landing and pick up Cersei, make it a four-way? Our families are blood enemies, but she's smoking hot with the new haircut, amiright?" and then Sansa will be like, "Actually I was held in bondage (not the cool kind) by her for years, and I'm pretty sure she likes to keep it in the family, and just with guys on top of that, so . . ." and Yara will go, "By the Downed God, what a waste!"

Okay, look, I've had enough beer that it seemed entertaining to write that, so I'm gonna stop posting now; thank god for spoiler tags!


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"It's not all about you, Jon."


Hitdice wrote:
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If Littlefinger waited for the battle to be over, the series failed to show us that. Where did he hide thousands of knights for however long took the battle? Didn't anyone have scouts anywhere? Still, it's possible...

But even if that is the case, there's zero evidence that Sansa knew about the plan. In fact, she never tried to convince Jon to wait for reinforcements or anything... She knows absolutely nothing about war. How would she think of "waiting until they exhausted themselves"? Even the advice she gave Jon was vague at best "He likes to hurt others... He's treacherous... yadda yadda yadda".

There's no indication that Sansa knew when/if knights of the vale would arrive or that they were nearby. She hoped, maybe even expected Littlefinger to come to her aid... But at least so far, there's no evidence that she did any planning other than "send raven asking for help, hope for the best".

Sansa may not be as passive as she was... But she's still a kid with zero tactical and martial training... And she isn't very bright.


Lemmy wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
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Not very bright? She remembered how long it had been since Ramsey fed his dogs!

Hitdice wrote:
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Admitedly, that's more skillful than nearly everything she did in the series so far...

I think the only exception is "tricking" Joffrey into sparing the life of Sir Dontos.


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Hitdice wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
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The CC/Subtitles in Dany's throne room should have been *Sound of Dany's arousal skyrocketing*

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Honestly the battle was underwhelming.


Apparently they asked for 42 days to shoot the battle, but only got 25, so a lot the stuff that happened in the battle was actually their plan B, and not really how they had wanted to do it.


Lemmy wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
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Admitedly, that's more skillful than nearly everything she did in the series so far...

I think the only exception is "tricking" Joffrey into sparing the life of Sir Dontos.

She revealed her identity to Ser Royce and the other Lord and Lady of the Vale (back at the end of season four, I want to say?) and totally leapfrogged Littlefinger's plan for total world domination. That was pretty good.


That was her attempting to be Darth Sansa? Unfortunately, that was nixed rather quick when she was tossed to The Boltons.


BTW... Does anyone know why they changed Asha's name to Yara in the TV show? Seems so random...


Lemmy wrote:
BTW... Does anyone know why they changed Asha's name to Yara in the TV show? Seems so random...

Wasn't there another asha she could get confused with? The Wildling lady that went with bran? (One steve limit in effect)


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Yeah, it was to avoid confusion between Asha/Osha.


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Osha compliance would have avoided the whole Euron plot...

*ow ow ow ow ducks ow ow ow*


So, Jaime, hope Littlefinger lets you borrow his teleporter...

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'Cause remember when you had to kill a mad ruler who was about to burn down King's Landing and everyone in it? Yeah, about that...


shadram wrote:
Yeah, it was to avoid confusion between Asha/Osha.

What's weird is, they chose a name that sounds very similar to Arya, when they could have picked, I don't know, "Prunella, She-Devil of the Seas!" or whatever. (Yes, with the exclamation point; if you don't say it with the exclamation point, you'll learn how she earned the name.)


Hitdice wrote:
shadram wrote:
Yeah, it was to avoid confusion between Asha/Osha.
What's weird is, they chose a name that sounds very similar to Arya, when they could have picked, I don't know, "Prunella, She-Devil of the Seas!" or whatever. (Yes, with the exclamation point; if you don't say it with the exclamation point, you'll learn how she earned the name.)

its not THAT similar and ones a major character, so you're not going to confuse one with the other


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So Ghost wasn't in the show because they only had enough budget for Wun-Wun or Ghost so they went with the giant.

It was Wun or the other.


But not wun wuns tree apparently


After what happened to the giant, it's a good thing Ghost got left out or he would be dead too!

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So they had budget for Wun Wun but not for him to use a weapon?


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It's not Pathfinder, they can't just buy a huge two-handed weapon just because Jon's WBL is high enough. :P

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They can chop down a tree and wind some rope around the less thick part and lo and behold a large greatclub. They could even stick some stakes in it. And they had time.


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Hama wrote:

They can chop down a tree and wind some rope around the less thick part and lo and behold a large greatclub. They could even stick some stakes in it. And they had time.

Club building 101:

You want the rope at the ends. The reason that its there is that wood tends to check, that is crack. It starts at the ends and will quickly run the length of the entire thing, snapping a plane of it off if not in half.


I can't believe the seasons almost over. Seems like just yesterday it was waiting for the season...


BigNorseWolf wrote:

I can't believe the seasons almost over. Seems like just yesterday it was waiting for the season...

I feel the same way. With the next two seasons being 7 episodes each it's going to feel like the season is over before it starts!

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I assume HBO will have them film both seasons back to back.


Storyteller Shadow wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

I can't believe the seasons almost over. Seems like just yesterday it was waiting for the season...

I feel the same way. With the next two seasons being 7 episodes each it's going to feel like the season is over before it starts!

NoooOOOOOOoooooo.. why? CCGI eating too much budget?


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Storyteller Shadow wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

I can't believe the seasons almost over. Seems like just yesterday it was waiting for the season...

I feel the same way. With the next two seasons being 7 episodes each it's going to feel like the season is over before it starts!

NoooOOOOOOoooooo.. why? CCGI eating too much budget?

Production in general is just getting way way to costly in time and money...IIRC episodes like Battle of the Bastards and Hardhome were barely finished in time.

Given that the last few seasons are almost certainly going to have even more epic things, they might want to be able to increase the production resources for each episode

ALSO: I imagine going into season seven and eight the actors may want more time to pursue careers outside of Game of Thrones.


So I wonder if the episode 10 teaser with the Freys/Lannisters will be the Freys getting themselves killed? Don't know how it would go down but it looks suspicious.

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My theory is that Jaime and Edmure coup the freys and give the twins to Bronn.


MY theory is arya shows up there and kills Walder, than sneaks into Lannister ranks in an attempt to eventually reach Cersei.

Alternatively the Brotherhood is able to infiltrate and stages an attack? Riverrun established that the Freys kind of suck at guarding castles.


Arya? Even with the jetpacks and teleportation that would be so utterly shark jumping dumb.

If Varys is off to find allies, he might go to Dorne, but if Tyrion ever finds out they killed Mycella he is going to want blood if he had a good relationship with her.(Just what did he think of her?)


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I assume HBO will have them film both seasons back to back.

Negative. Benioff and Weiss have simply hit a wall in being able to film 10 episodes a year with the production requirements that the final two seasons will need. The two seasons will need to be shorter or one super-sized season could be filmed, but we'd have to wait 18-24 months for it, which damages HBO's income for the next financial year. Two shorter seasons is the apparent compromise.


BigNorseWolf wrote:

NoooOOOOOOoooooo.. why? CCGI eating too much budget?

Partly. Battles and dragons are expensive visuals, and more of both are coming.


MannyGoblin wrote:

Arya? Even with the jetpacks and teleportation that would be so utterly shark jumping dumb.

If Varys is off to find allies, he might go to Dorne, but if Tyrion ever finds out they killed Mycella he is going to want blood if he had a good relationship with her.(Just what did he think of her?)

The show seems pretty happy with handing teleporters off to folks, and we know SOMETHING goes down at the Freys, so it's either her or the BwB

Tyrion is aiding Dany in a hostile takeover of Westeros. He would have to be completely naive/stupid if he thought Cersei's kids would survive the conflict.

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