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What is messed up is that currently I am not playing or running any game...other then at Conventions once or twice a year.. And I am still spending tons of money on Pathfinder, 4e *Only player relevant books since I don't like GMing 4e*, WoD books and other assorted RPGs. I most likely spend close to $300 a month on RPGs I never get to play!... Am I broken? ;-)
LOL. If you're broke, you'll find yourself in a lot of company. I have thousands in 3.x stuff, hundreds in Pathfinder, DnD, Savage World; and WoD. I have lifetimes of stuff: maybe we can game together in life #3? ;-)
The reason why I do not play 4e is not the game, which is not that bad, IMHO. It is the company. If someone said to me, did you want to play some 4e, I would say Yes. I just will not buy any more books. 4e, 3e, 1e, 2e. It is just a game. Have fun and enjoy yourselves! Stop the flame wars!!! ~GRINS~See this is also my view on things. I guess I feel like I'm screwing up with my words when I talk but I don't understand why we have to argue/fight so much. I don't punch my wife in the face because she likes chocolate ice cream better then vanilla. We just have different tastes :D
... plus if I did that she'd wipe the floor with me >_>
And I also agree that if someone offered me to play in a 4e game I might actually play it (Avengers ARE an amazing class I actually like) even though I don't care for it much. I won't buy anymore books for the system or anything but I like hanging out with people and trying to have a good time :D
~I start to list the games that I have played~ 1ed AD & D, 2nd ed, basic D & D, 3ed, 4ed, PF RPG, Traveller, GURPS, Rifts, Marvel, Champions, HERO, White Wolf games, Gamma World, Paranoa, and many more. It is just a game. Have fun! That is what games are for.
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~I start to list the games that I have played~ 1ed AD & D, 2nd ed, basic D & D, 3ed, 4ed, PF RPG, Traveller, GURPS, Rifts, Marvel, Champions, HERO, White Wolf games, Gamma World, Paranoa, and many more. It is just a game. Have fun! That is what games are for.The reason why I do not play 4e is not the game, which is not that bad, IMHO. It is the company. If someone said to me, did you want to play some 4e, I would say Yes. I just will not buy any more books. 4e, 3e, 1e, 2e. It is just a game. Have fun and enjoy yourselves! Stop the flame wars!!! ~GRINS~See this is also my view on things. I guess I feel like I'm screwing up with my words when I talk but I don't understand why we have to argue/fight so much. I don't punch my wife in the face because she likes chocolate ice cream better then vanilla. We just have different tastes :D
... plus if I did that she'd wipe the floor with me >_>
And I also agree that if someone offered me to play in a 4e game I might actually play it (Avengers ARE an amazing class I actually like) even though I don't care for it much. I won't buy anymore books for the system or anything but I like hanging out with people and trying to have a good time :D
My wife and I can't get our people to try much new stuff. I've played 1st edition, 2nd edition, 3rd, and 4th of D&D. Now it's Pathfinder. I want to try white wolf but people don't seem open. I also wanted to try Serenity but no go yet >_<
Games are fun :D
~I start to list the games that I have played~ 1ed AD & D, 2nd ed, basic D & D, 3ed, 4ed, PF RPG, Traveller, GURPS, Rifts, Marvel....Re: Marvel. Which edition? I played the one with the colored chart. Heard about Saga but never tried it.
The ooolllllddddddddd version of Marvel put out my TSR in the 1980s. ~grimaces~ My age is showing.
Darrin, will you be writing more PfRPG once the Core book's released in August?
So long as Paizo wants to keep using me, I'm at their disposal.
I have finished something that will appear in a Pathfinder AP shortly after the RPG is released in August. I'm not talking about what it is exactly, and it isn't huge, but I think it's way cool. You'll know it when you see it.
Then there's something a little bigger that I'm working on now, which I also can't talk about. I think that if it turns out the way I intend it to, it will be one of the more interesting things I've ever worked on for RPGs.
In other words, you'll probably be seeing more of me in Paizo's books, but as with all things in publishing, it's Paizo's decision as to whether they want to keep working with me.
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The ooolllllddddddddd version of Marvel put out my TSR in the 1980s. ~grimaces~ My age is showing.
~I start to list the games that I have played~ 1ed AD & D, 2nd ed, basic D & D, 3ed, 4ed, PF RPG, Traveller, GURPS, Rifts, Marvel....Re: Marvel. Which edition? I played the one with the colored chart. Heard about Saga but never tried it.
LOL. We're around the same age. Did your group fight the heroes? Our "Hellions" fought the X-men. Man, Prof X and his Unearthly mindblasts :-(
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Darrin, will you be writing more PfRPG once the Core book's released in August?So long as Paizo wants to keep using me, I'm at their disposal.
I have finished something that will appear in a Pathfinder AP shortly after the RPG is released in August. I'm not talking about what it is exactly, and it isn't huge, but I think it's way cool. You'll know it when you see it.
Then there's something a little bigger that I'm working on now, which I also can't talk about. I think that if it turns out the way I intend it to, it will be one of the more interesting things I've ever worked on for RPGs.
In other words, you'll probably be seeing more of me in Paizo's books, but as with all things in publishing, it's Paizo's decision as to whether they want to keep working with me.
Tease. Look forward to your Paizo stuff. Same with Reign of Discordia. Now that setting needs an AP.
LOL. We're around the same age. Did your group fight the heroes? Our "Hellions" fought the X-men. Man, Prof X and his Unearthly mindblasts :-(The ooolllllddddddddd version of Marvel put out my TSR in the 1980s. ~grimaces~ My age is showing.
~I start to list the games that I have played~ 1ed AD & D, 2nd ed, basic D & D, 3ed, 4ed, PF RPG, Traveller, GURPS, Rifts, Marvel....Re: Marvel. Which edition? I played the one with the colored chart. Heard about Saga but never tried it.
~grins~ No. We played heroes that rolled their powers out of the books. Since we were Mutants, we were hunted. My toon had the ability to create all types of matter. My GMs GF was a teleporter. She made a mistake of teleporting into a crowd WITHOUT her costume on. Oops! ~grins~ Good times!
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First off Scotty boy was supposed to be just a fun nick name. Not condescending and this is the internet so I didn't think about that when I posted it since my meaning and tone doesn't really roll over well. For that, if it offended, I assure it wasn't my intent. I'm just a big fan with adding Y at the end of things. I promise though it wasn't meant to be malicious T_T
And yes, some people have a hard time with things. I've seen it before with people on the other side of the fence too. ... I ignored them though. It's one of those people that aren't going to change and/or learn. You meet people like that IRL too ... and I ignore them too.
I guess I don't see why everyone has to try and be right, ya know? Why argue with someone over it? Why sink down TO argue? Some things are worth mentioning or...
I don't have a problem with people not liking 4e. I run my PbPs here in 3.5, and they will stay that way (or be converted to PFRPG) for years as the players are (at best) 4e-indifferent.
But threads like this are flame bait - I don't know why anyone is surprised that this has happened. I don't know what the OP was trying to achieve with it, but it really doesn't help when people try and pretend there is some sort of moral component to our gaming choices.
I was going to ignore this thread after flicking through it briefly but then I saw KaeYoss' post and then yours. I accept your point about not being patronising - internet and getting the wrong message. KaeYoss, on the other hand, should lay off the "martyr to 4e routine". He got called for trolling a load of threads on the 4e board - it was hard to have a rational conversation without him appearing and castigating the game and WotC. It was far from constructive, it was a sustained campaign, and it in the end earned Sebastian's ire - the rest was predictable. So he has avoided the 4e board recently but he uses his recent forebearance as an excuse to tell anyone mentioning 4e in a non-4e thread to go away and only post on the 4e board, wich I guess he considers a quid pro quo. Or, more specifically, posting anything pro-4e that might provide balance - he obviously has no problem with this thread, despite the fact it is absolutely about 4e, because the OP was anti-4e. He only has a problem with someone who like 4e posting on it. That is obviously a major double-standard.
Frankly, I would prefer it if threads like this disappeared, since they serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than to cause conflict. The OP should have known better.
My GMs GF was a teleporter. She made a mistake of teleporting into a crowd WITHOUT her costume on. Oops! ~grins~ Good times!LOL. Well, hopefully her PC had some clothes on! ;-)
She was in civvies sans mask. Needless to say, she was hunted from that point on.
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She was in civvies sans mask. Needless to say, she was hunted from that point on.My GMs GF was a teleporter. She made a mistake of teleporting into a crowd WITHOUT her costume on. Oops! ~grins~ Good times!LOL. Well, hopefully her PC had some clothes on! ;-)
Ouch. Should have sought the Morlock Masque and get a new face.
BTW, all this talk about Marvel and superheroes has me wondering: when's the next Marvel rpg coming out?
Anyone?
She was in civvies sans mask. Needless to say, she was hunted from that point on.My GMs GF was a teleporter. She made a mistake of teleporting into a crowd WITHOUT her costume on. Oops! ~grins~ Good times!LOL. Well, hopefully her PC had some clothes on! ;-)Ouch. Should have sought the Morlock Masque and get a new face.
BTW, all this talk about Marvel and superheroes has me wondering: when's the next Marvel rpg coming out?
Anyone?
`GRINS~ Who cares about the new Marvel RPG, I now want to play the old Marvel RPG. ~sighs~ Oh well.
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First off Scotty boy was supposed to be just a fun nick name. Not condescending and this is the internet so I didn't think about that when I posted it since my meaning and tone doesn't really roll over well. For that, if it offended, I assure it wasn't my intent. I'm just a big fan with adding Y at the end of things. I promise though it wasn't meant to be malicious T_T
And yes, some people have a hard time with things. I've seen it before with people on the other side of the fence too. ... I ignored them though. It's one of those people that aren't going to change and/or learn. You meet people like that IRL too ... and I ignore them too.
I guess I don't see why everyone has to try and be right, ya know? Why argue with someone over it? Why sink down TO argue? Some things are worth mentioning or...
I don't have a problem with people not liking 4e. I run my PbPs here in 3.5, and they will stay that way (or be converted to PFRPG) for years as the players are (at best) 4e-indifferent.
But threads like this are flame bait - I don't know why anyone is surprised that this has happened. I don't know what the OP was trying to achieve with it, but it really doesn't help when people try and pretend there is some sort of moral component to our gaming choices.
I was going to ignore this thread after flicking through it briefly but then I saw KaeYoss' post and then yours. I accept your point about not being patronising - internet and getting the wrong message. KaeYoss, on the other hand, should lay off the "martyr to 4e routine". He got called for trolling a load of threads on the 4e board - it was hard to have a rational conversation without him appearing and castigating the game and WotC. It was far from constructive, it was a sustained campaign, and it in the end earned Sebastian's ire - the rest was predictable. So he has avoided the 4e board recently but he uses his recent forebearance as an excuse to tell anyone mentioning 4e in a non-4e thread to go away and...
Gonna put this in spoilers so I don't consume too much space heh
Totally understood dude (sorry, I'm also a big fan of 'dude'. I've got my things but once again, not taking shots. Just how I talk).
From your point of view upon seeing it I do see why you would want to say something. Maybe two guys ganging up on someone and that's not really cool. It's lame (though once again I wasn't trying to so 'my bad'). We shouldn't pick at each other like we do on here (we being the community of paizo, not us in particular) and it sucks that it happens. I just wish it didn't happen at all. I just hate seeing it because it just makes everyone look bad.
I come on here to talk about fun times with games after all :D I also have nothing against 4th edition and often talk to my older brother and my best friends about it (they both play in a campaign with it, as well as still playing 3.5/pathfinder). I like civil debates and I understand 4th tried to do some really good things. Not my favorite thing in the world but oh well, it doesn't HAVE to be (the Avenger still rocks the house though).
My ONLY hate on 4th edition (or more wizards of the coast) is the FR thing. I hated them for that. BUT, on the plus side, I've come to love Golarion actually MORE then I did FR. It's nice getting in on it from the beginning though (which I know is why wizards said they did what they did to FR but they could have just used another setting in my opinion) and on top of that, Golarion is just a fresh look on everything. So something i didn't like lead to something I LOVED. The world is at a balance ^__^
Anyway I just wish we could all get along, long story short. I hate when anyone makes posts that outright flame or put other people down and there's no call for such things. Maybe I want the impossible ... but if you don't try for it you'll never get it heh.
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But threads like this are flame bait - I don't know why anyone is surprised that this has happened. I don't know what the OP was trying to achieve with it, but it really doesn't help when people try and pretend there is some sort of moral component to our gaming choices.
Frankly, I would prefer it if threads like this disappeared, since they serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than to cause conflict. The OP should have known better.
The only thing the OP was trying to express is that he had decided to sell the 4e books and buy PF, which coincidentally, is exactly what he posted. Nothing really hostile was posted by the majority of those who followed untill joela's post. Intentional or not his question had the appearence of snark and THAT'S where things go south. Not with the OP and not with KaeYoss.
Really 4e is fine, if you like it that's fine. But don't expect us to all ohh and ahh over it, because we have chosen a different path. It amazes me that people think that people posting on the message boards of their game company of choice are chastised by others when they are not all head over heels about another companies competing product.
And, yes. Some people like both games, that's GREAT, but some of us don't. Accept it. Deal with it. It is the way of things.
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But threads like this are flame bait - I don't know why anyone is surprised that this has happened. I don't know what the OP was trying to achieve with it, but it really doesn't help when people try and pretend there is some sort of moral component to our gaming choices.
Frankly, I would prefer it if threads like this disappeared, since they serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than to cause conflict. The OP should have known better.
The only thing the OP was trying to express is that he had decided to sell the 4e books and buy PF, which coincidentally, is exactly what he posted. Nothing really hostile was posted by the majority of those who followed until joela's post. Intentional or not his question had the appearence of snark and THAT'S where things go south. Not with the OP and not with KaeYoss.
Really 4e is fine, if you like it that's fine. But don't expect us to all ohh and ahh over it, because we have chosen a different path. It amazes me that people think that people posting on the message boards of their game company of choice are chastised by others when they are not all head over heels about another companies competing product.
And, yes. Some people like both games, that's GREAT, but some of us don't. Accept it. Deal with it. It is the way of things.
And I don't have a problem with that - I have a problem with being told to shut up and go away because I am posting in favour of 4e, on a thread about 4e. That isn't a problem with most posters who don't like 4e, but it is with a few. I frankly don't care about your gaming preferences - I wouldn't have entered this thread if I hadn't seen people being attacked or told to post elsewhere for piping up and saying that maybe 4e isn't all that bad.
I question the need to go on about it so much, though - after all, 4e players (here, anyway) don't actually sit around and set up threads specifically to go on about how crap 3.5 was, and how we sold our books to get that 4e goodness - but that's up to you, I guess. The need to vent, I guess, but, I dunno, after two years isn't it time to move on? I actually managed to accept and deal with it a long time ago, I'm not so sure about others.
What was I thinking? It's a lot more fun to have an edition tussle than to talk about spiffiness and spats.
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And I don't have a problem with that - I have a problem with being told to shut up and go away because I am posting in favour of 4e, on a thread about 4e. That isn't a problem with most posters who don't like 4e, but it is with a few. I frankly don't care about your gaming preferences - I wouldn't have entered this thread if I hadn't seen people being attacked or told to post elsewhere for piping up and saying that maybe 4e isn't all that bad.
I question the need to go on about it so much, though - after all, 4e players (here, anyway) don't actually sit around and set up threads specifically to go on about how crap 3.5 was, and how we sold our books to get that 4e goodness - but that's up to you, I guess. The need to vent, I guess, but, I dunno, after two years isn't it time to move on? I actually managed to accept and deal with it a long time ago, I'm not so sure about others.
See, that last paragraph just makes you sound bitter. Nobody here was slamming 4e. We weren't talking about how 4e came in and kicked our puppies and smothered our kittens. The conversation was simply, 'After reading and/or playing the new system we found it lacking for our preferences and have found something more to our liking'. And then we are demonized and vilified for not liking a game not published or supported by the company whose message boards we are using.
What was I thinking? It's a lot more fun to have an edition tussle than to talk about spiffiness and spats.
Troll like spats! Have spats when young, but got blood on them... then spats got burned by someone try to burn Troll. Troll ate them but spats no good. :-(
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What was I thinking? It's a lot more fun to have an edition tussle than to talk about spiffiness and spats.
We had to wear spats as part of our marching band outfits... One parade, the trombonist in front of me had a spat failue, tripped and fell flat on his face. Bloody mouthpiece and bent slide. Skinner's Blues was a shambles.
These smack of exceptions to the general rule of spat spiffiness.
Sounds perfect for 3.xers and Pathfinders.
One nice thing about spats is making up afterward.
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See, that last paragraph just makes you sound bitter. Nobody here was slamming 4e. We weren't talking about how 4e came in and kicked our puppies and smothered our kittens. The conversation was simply, 'After reading and/or playing the new system we found it lacking for our preferences and have found something more to our liking'. And then we are demonized and vilified for not liking a game not published or supported by the company whose message boards we are using.And I don't have a problem with that - I have a problem with being told to shut up and go away because I am posting in favour of 4e, on a thread about 4e. That isn't a problem with most posters who don't like 4e, but it is with a few. I frankly don't care about your gaming preferences - I wouldn't have entered this thread if I hadn't seen people being attacked or told to post elsewhere for piping up and saying that maybe 4e isn't all that bad.
I question the need to go on about it so much, though - after all, 4e players (here, anyway) don't actually sit around and set up threads specifically to go on about how crap 3.5 was, and how we sold our books to get that 4e goodness - but that's up to you, I guess. The need to vent, I guess, but, I dunno, after two years isn't it time to move on? I actually managed to accept and deal with it a long time ago, I'm not so sure about others.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
Well, that is more a comment on the bitterness I am perceiving from your (in general, rather than you specifically) end. The thread which was complaining about how 4e changed FR was interesting because, in the end, a lot of posters in the end started saying, "I get that you don't mind the 4e FR. I don't like it. Please stop posting here because we want to vent and be angry, not talk about the merits of 4e FR as such." Now, as such I don't really mind that, though I question how healthy that really is as an attitude. Especially as the glass is far from half-empty given the imminent release of PFRPG.
This thread is sort of similar, if a bit more aggressive (now). While you can say that the poster was simply saying, "I have sold my 4e books and bough PFRPG with the proceeds. Thank you and goodnight," the fact he titled it "I did it, cold turkey!" puts quite a different slant on it. The comparison of 4e to drugs or booze seems a bit wide of the mark in just about every level, but nevertheless it is a fairly negative allusion, and probably intended to be so. The fact that a series of posters lined up to say the equivalent of "Amen, brother," pretty much made it clear what the tone was.
Now, I wouldn't have bothered posting what joela did, because the FR thread made it clear to me what was going on, but that is not to say that I wasn't mildly irritated by it. But it is also worth pointing out that these forums are fairly free and open, and they do not form the exclusive preserve of any poster. A tiny minority cannot seem to tolerate pro-4e sentiment in their presence. I don't think that is just or tenable. If people post about 4e, pro-4e people will appear because they have an interest in it. Expecting otherwise is foolish. And that, pretty much, is all I am saying.
The ooolllllddddddddd version of Marvel put out my TSR in the 1980s. ~grimaces~ My age is showing.
~I start to list the games that I have played~ 1ed AD & D, 2nd ed, basic D & D, 3ed, 4ed, PF RPG, Traveller, GURPS, Rifts, Marvel....Re: Marvel. Which edition? I played the one with the colored chart. Heard about Saga but never tried it.
Dear god.
Now I feel old.
Anyway, :
Everyone please stop with that. I play lots of games. I'm happy if 4e brings more people to the hobby (that appears to be what wotc wants) and I'm happy that 3.5 is alive and improved. I'm also happy the True20 is great, and that Shadowrun 3 is a dead system that I still play. What's the huge deal here people?
We can have our cake and eat it too. There is no reason to be adversarial.
Well... unless you just plain don't like each other. In that event, carry on.
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Now, I wouldn't have bothered posting what joela did, because the FR thread made it clear to me what was going on, but that is not to say that I wasn't mildly irritated by it. But it is also worth pointing out that these forums are fairly free and open, and they do not form the exclusive preserve of any poster. A tiny minority cannot seem to tolerate pro-4e sentiment in their presence. I don't think that is just or tenable. If people post about 4e, pro-4e people will appear because they have an interest in it. Expecting otherwise is foolish. And that, pretty much, is all I am saying
But some of us DO question why you need to come in and shake the ra-ra pom-poms in a thread that a person started that he sold his 4e books.
Why you feel the need to push the pro-4e setiment in a thread like this does put into question motives, specifically picking a fight.
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I'm not actually pushing a pro-4e agenda here, I'm pushing a tolerance agenda. Why are we polarising? It's already been said above that we can all play different games and like them - I will be playing Pathfinder as well as 4e with different groups. The point is, why you should be surprised when you post about 4e and someone comes in with a different view point? Should they be told to go away (as they were here)? Why is a different point of view so upsetting in this context? This is not a private club, it is the message board for a fairly significant player in the RPG market, and you will get different points of view.
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What were you "liberated" from?I think he's saying he was liberated from having to decide which system he'd like to play each time he gets a group together. Cutting his collection down to one set of core rules, he's now free from ambivalence and fence-sitting.
That would be a dream come true for me.
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The reason why I do not play 4e is not the game, which is not that bad, IMHO. It is the company. If someone said to me, did you want to play some 4e, I would say Yes. I just will not buy any more books. 4e, 3e, 1e, 2e. It is just a game. Have fun and enjoy yourselves! Stop the flame wars!!! ~GRINS~
This about where I am as well. I don't hate the game. In fact, I find some of it very fun. Other stuff took a bit for the dislike to grow. Either way, not a terrible game.
But I don't like the behavior of WotC as of late. Others might think they are just fine. Great! We all have different tolerances. Even if they were still selling 3.5, I doubt I would be gung ho to support them. Honestly, they can run their business how they want. It just means I am a more reluctant consumer than I have been in the past.
I am also done with the edition wars. For my part, I just wish I could settle on a game and move forward. Right now, my group loves 4e and I am sort of.....okay with that. But I really like what I see with PFRPG and I want them to try it so they can understand my excitement. So there is still some lingering doubt about the future. No hate and no anger at the system. I just want to move past this point.
I most likely spend close to $300 a month on RPGs I never get to play!... Am I broken? ;-)
Yeah. And you can leave the part after RPGs out and still be broken ;-)
(By the way, love how you don't use a ' for the plural, so you're not a lost cause :))
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I'm not actually pushing a pro-4e agenda here, I'm pushing a tolerance agenda. Why are we polarising? It's already been said above that we can all play different games and like them - I will be playing Pathfinder as well as 4e with different groups. The point is, why you should be surprised when you post about 4e and someone comes in with a different view point? Should they be told to go away (as they were here)? Why is a different point of view so upsetting in this context? This is not a private club, it is the message board for a fairly significant player in the RPG market, and you will get different points of view.
Why? Because as you seem to be doing, feel strongly about 4e and what others have said about FR as per your last post.
Others? Feel strongly about 3.x or Pathfinder. Its the nature of the beast.
Why am I suprised? Because I wouldnt walk into a thread titled "Got rid of my old 3.x stuff" and the discussion was selling off the old stuff and getting ready to buy 4e and then start saying 3.x was great or its strong points.
That isnt tolerance, thats rude.
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[Sharoth wrote: `GRINS~ Who cares about the new Marvel RPG, I now want to play the old Marvel RPG. ~sighs~ Oh well.
The old rules are still currently available for free download online, Classic Marvel RPG. I found the site last month by accident, looking up some Wolverine trivia. Looks as though all of the published material is available, as well as some fan add-ons. Just an FYI from a an old dark matter wielding mutant.
What was I thinking? It's a lot more fun to have an edition tussle than to talk about spiffiness and spats.I have a spats story. But I don't think I can tell it here.
So, not so much a Fred-Astaire-type story, eh?
[Sharoth wrote: `GRINS~ Who cares about the new Marvel RPG, I now want to play the old Marvel RPG. ~sighs~ Oh well. The old rules are still currently available for free download online, Classic Marvel RPG. I found the site last month by accident, looking up some Wolverine trivia. Looks as though all of the published material is available, as well as some fan add-ons. Just an FYI from a an old dark matter wielding mutant.
Thanks for the info!
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So, not so much a Fred-Astaire-type story, eh?What was I thinking? It's a lot more fun to have an edition tussle than to talk about spiffiness and spats.I have a spats story. But I don't think I can tell it here.
You know, I made this wry little comment and I can't think of anything to back it up. :)
I keep wondering, what can I say to turn spats into something naughty? Yeah, I got nothing.
That will teach me.
My only spats story really is a Fred-Astaire-type story.
Doing a routine to "Puttin' on the Ritz"?
I have this idea for a thread where the only three posts you can make are:
But I think it would be flagged.
People probably wouldn't stick to the rules anyway.
I think it'd be a great idea if every time someone was tempted to post something they shouldn't edition-wise, or posting it somewhere they shouldn't, they instead went and posted one of those three responses in the dedicated thread as a release. Offenders would be responded to by directing them to the requisite thread.
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I'm not actually pushing a pro-4e agenda here, I'm pushing a tolerance agenda. Why are we polarising? It's already been said above that we can all play different games and like them - I will be playing Pathfinder as well as 4e with different groups. The point is, why you should be surprised when you post about 4e and someone comes in with a different view point? Should they be told to go away (as they were here)? Why is a different point of view so upsetting in this context? This is not a private club, it is the message board for a fairly significant player in the RPG market, and you will get different points of view.Why? Because as you seem to be doing, feel strongly about 4e and what others have said about FR as per your last post.
Others? Feel strongly about 3.x or Pathfinder. Its the nature of the beast.
Why am I suprised? Because I wouldnt walk into a thread titled "Got rid of my old 3.x stuff" and the discussion was selling off the old stuff and getting ready to buy 4e and then start saying 3.x was great or its strong points.
That isnt tolerance, thats rude.
It is a question of degree. I'm not actually that bothered what you think of 4e - that's old ground, you are entitled to your opinion, and me mine. If this was just about "4e's great!" "No it isn't!" "Yes it is!" I wouldn't be bothering. Funnily enough, you don't seem to be reading my post too clearly because you seem to think that is what I am saying, and I'm not. But I'll make it clear: you don't like 4e - that's fine.
I will admit that there are those on the pro-4e side who are messianic and implacable with it. I don't think they appreciate that the main issue is one of taste and that it is a personal thing, when all is said and done. However, there are also common misconceptions and when they get trolled out repeatedly some people feel the need to "enlighten". Personally, I've worked out that actually some people don't feel the need to be "enlightened" as they find it patronising. Fair enough, up to a point. Personally, I don't care what you play or why - I'm too busy with my own games, thanks.
What I do care about is "not being allowed" to post a post I consider relevant. I was on a thread about the PF cleric a few months ago, and a poster was very unhappy with the proposed changes (so it was obviously a non-4e thread). He made a comment in passing saying "And don't talk to me about the 4e cleric - that is just not something I recognise as the class I love". So up I chirped and made a single post saying "Well, in my experience of 4e, the paladin now feels very like the old cleric". Note, I didn't raise the subject and I certainly wasn't trying to "convert" him - I knew he wasn't interested from the general tone of his other posts. I just thought he might be interested in the observation. The guy then responded, cogently, about why he wasn't satisfied with the 4e cleric or paladin either. Pretty much the end of the exchange.
And then up pops KaeYoss saying "Don't post about 4e here - you have a thread of your own for that". To which I basically replied "Don't tell me what to do". That is the sort of thing which bugs me, and it happened here too. Sure, you are angry. Sure, you don't like 4e. But if the subject gets raised, I will respond if I have something to say, even on a "non-4e" thread. Especially as "anti-4e" seems to be perfectly OK. I'm not saying don't post it - just don't be surprised if someone feels differently. None of you own this messageboard. If you don't want to hear a dissenting voice, email each other or something. Because I have the right to add constructively to a conversation where I deem it relevant - that is the democracy inherent in this medium. And I seriously resent anyone telling I can't because they want to fulminate in private. Like I say, play your game as you see fit, but don't tell me where I cannot comment. Because that is rude.
Like I say, play your game as you see fit, but don't tell me where I cannot comment. Because that is rude.
But isn't that what happened to Kaeyoss when he posted to the 4e forum (please don't mistake this for me agreeing with those comments or thinking they were do anything but cause arguing). People didn't like his comments there so they were telling him that he couldn't comment there essentially.