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mach1.9pants wrote:
Did any of you guys see the MythBusters episode where they interleaved 2 800 page phone books and 2 cars could not pull them apart? I wonder how 2 Core Books would go.....Mmmmmmmmm

Would be a terrible waste of $100. I would think that the higher quality paper would be slicker, with a lower coefficient of friction, and so you wouldn't need as much force to pry them apart, but as I said, a terrible waste of 2 books that would much better be left in the hands of gamers to use for their intended purpose.


I just wish the video had a higher resolution so I could try and read everything in the book.


I would like the next preview to be the name and stats of the new commoner iconic and his pig companion.

I can wait another week for the Barbarian.


I want to see one of these things go through the HERO test ; )

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I just watched the preview video... Twice! :D
Very impressive and such a great achievment!
Once again... WELL DONE!
I can't wait to drool over my own copy in a few weeks time!

Now i'm gonna watch the preview again! :P


Cyrino wrote:
Now i'm gonna watch the preview again! :P

Me too.

Come on you video techy geeks (me I am a PC hardware and gaming geek) get your 'bladerunner' stylez video enhancement skillz going and give us the details!

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Dance of Ruin wrote:
Also, some of the art is familiar because (I think) it first appeared in the Beta PDF.

ALL of the art in the Beta was reused. Every piece had previously appeared in modules, Pathfinder, or supplements.

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Mikaze wrote:
Kvantum wrote:
Chronicler was in there, but only briefly.

Yep, I see her now. I actually got that iconic mixed up with the Loremaster somehow.

And let me just say that it is downright surreal to see a real, in-motion Beta book in mint condition.

Just thought about this: Can we assume that any critters that show up in the PFRPG rule book will be in the Bestiary? Because I do believe I saw that froghemoth pic...

FROGHEMOTH!!!!! GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL!!! (a certain dwarf samurai from a certain AoW campaign is now having nightmares of being swallowed)

Scarab Sages

If it keeps the overall cost down and helps make the game more accessible to new players I am all for the recycling of good art. But I also noticed plenty of new stuff in there also. I hope the prestige iconics get statted up as well.

Tam

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Matthew Morris wrote:
WelbyBumpus wrote:
I'm glad to have basically the PHB and DMG in one tome, but my back groans at the thought of hauling this around to conventions, friends' houses, etc. along with all my other gaming books. I guess I'll just have to convince them all to get one!
Your back? Pity my poor postal worker. He'll be delivering 4(four!) of these things to my doorstep (hopefully on 8/13).

Ha ha ha! your puny postal worker is nothing against my mighty Thor-like Canadian gone-postal Mail Hauler! (tm) [Mail Hauler (tm) is strong enough to serve as Prestige Class]

My Mail Hauler will bring no less than 3 PRPGs, 3 Bestiaries, my monthly AP, Companion, Chronicle subs, PLUS Gods and Magic PLUS Guide to Absalom (and maybe more, if the Paizo sidecart is a-wheelin' that day... :P)


Lisa Stevens wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:
Good looking book although a lot of the art seemed to be re-used art from adventure paths and the like (of course that could just be from the way they chose whatever pages to flick to in the book) So I am curious how much of the book is new art (Including the coloured artwork of the Prestige Iconics?)

I don't have an exact percentage or whatnot, but we did reuse some art in the book. Basically, we went through the book, thought about what art should be there, and if we already had a piece that we liked alot and it fit, it went into the book. If we didn't, we had a new piece created.

I have mentioned this a few times in various threads, but the main reason we did this was to keep the cost of the core rulebook down so we could keep it under $50. Originally, if we had new art throughout, we would have had to sell the book at $69.99! That was just too high to get any penetration with new customers (or old for that matter), so some art got reused to keep the cost down. Besides, it will be all new art for a lot of the people buying the book. And on top of that, we all really LIKE a lot of the artwork that we've already done. No sense in not showing off your best pieces!

-Lisa

Makes sense, and I appreciate the explanation and the predicament. But this is something that's starting to bug me about the RPG industry in general, I guess. I scoff at all the 4.0 books I've been seeing, because they're reusing 3.5 art. WotC's "new" minis line is reusing figures from the old sets. And now the PFRPG is reusing a fairly healthy amount of art from older books, if the flip through is to be taken as presenting a decent variety of art. There's a lot of good art in there, and I love WAR's stuff a great deal, but I had hoped we'd see more new art. I'd hoped we'd see all new art, honestly. I can understand costs, but I guess it's just getting too expensive to commission brand new art for a flagship book anymore. And it's a sad thing, because eventually you reach saturation with an image, and I've always loved flipping through books for the art that's in there.

*sigh* I've still got mine on pre-order from my FLBS, but I won't be flipping through it oohing and aahing at the illos as much.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
WelbyBumpus wrote:
I'm glad to have basically the PHB and DMG in one tome, but my back groans at the thought of hauling this around to conventions, friends' houses, etc. along with all my other gaming books. I guess I'll just have to convince them all to get one!
Your back? Pity my poor postal worker. He'll be delivering 4(four!) of these things to my doorstep (hopefully on 8/13).

Ha ha ha! your puny postal worker is nothing against my mighty Thor-like Canadian gone-postal Mail Hauler! (tm) [Mail Hauler (tm) is strong enough to serve as Prestige Class]

My Mail Hauler will bring no less than 3 PRPGs, 3 Bestiaries, my monthly AP, Companion, Chronicle subs, PLUS Gods and Magic PLUS Guide to Absalom (and maybe more, if the Paizo sidecart is a-wheelin' that day... :P)

Naw, 'cause the Bestiary doesn't come out until the following month, so it shouldn't be in the same delivery...


Ashkecker wrote:
[...]I can wait another week for the Barbarian.

No need to. I will be up today. One Icon every Wednesday :-)

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Matthew Morris wrote:
WelbyBumpus wrote:
I'm glad to have basically the PHB and DMG in one tome, but my back groans at the thought of hauling this around to conventions, friends' houses, etc. along with all my other gaming books. I guess I'll just have to convince them all to get one!
Your back? Pity my poor postal worker. He'll be delivering 4(four!) of these things to my doorstep (hopefully on 8/13).

Don't worry about the postman, worry about your postbox or porch! ::cracking sound as a box is dumped on the landing::

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Disciple of Sakura wrote:
*sigh* I've still got mine on pre-order from my FLBS, but I won't be flipping through it oohing and aahing at the illos as much.

Oh, there's a lot more new art in the book than you think, I assure you.

Silver Crusade

Erik Mona wrote:
Disciple of Sakura wrote:
*sigh* I've still got mine on pre-order from my FLBS, but I won't be flipping through it oohing and aahing at the illos as much.

Oh, there's a lot more new art in the book than you think, I assure you.

Speaking of which, I noticed what seemed to be you catching yourself before showing whatever art lay between the aristocrat and commoner pieces. ;)

Grand Lodge

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I have a quick question and I don't know if this is where to ask but here it goes. Will the First Councel of Theives AP be out by Aug 13th? I have my subs to ship with the AP's and I will really hate to wait a week after the 13th before I can even look at the PDF. Or worst my AP ships before the 13th and I have to wait until the second AP comes in to get the Big Book.


Dreamweaver wrote:
I have a quick question and I don't know if this is where to ask but here it goes. Will the First Councel of Theives AP be out by Aug 13th? I have my subs to ship with the AP's and I will really hate to wait a week after the 13th before I can even look at the PDF. Or worst my AP ships before the 13th and I have to wait until the second AP comes in to get the Big Book.

Good question. If you have your shipping options set to Ship When my Pathfinder AP comes in, then it should ship with that. However, I will let teh big wigs answer that.

Edit - Also, since this stuff needs to be available to Paizo BEFORE Gen Con, my guess is that you should be getting everything around the same time.

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WelbyBumpus wrote:
I'm glad to have basically the PHB and DMG in one tome, but my back groans at the thought of hauling this around to conventions, friends' houses, etc. along with all my other gaming books. I guess I'll just have to convince them all to get one!

Just beat them with it once and they'll get their own to defend themselves the next time you show up! ;-)


Dance of Ruin wrote:
Also, some of the art is familiar because (I think) it first appeared in the Beta PDF.

The beta had virtually no original art. Would have been way too expensive for a book that is sold at cost.


*snort* Groink ?

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Commoner's Pig wrote:
*snort* Groink ?

I wonder if the final book has rules for Blood Pig...

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Nice preview, it made me want to organize a ninja mission on the paizo offices, just so I can get my hands on it.

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Commoner's Pig wrote:
*snort* Groink ?

Where's Charlotte?

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Did I really see the Blackguard there... or was it only my imagination?


Commoner's Pig wrote:
*snort* Groink ?

How bout stats for a DIRE Commoner's Pig....


mach1.9pants wrote:
Commoner's Pig wrote:
*snort* Groink ?
How bout stats for a DIRE Commoner's Pig....

*SNORT* You talkin' to me, biped ?


Dire Celestial Advanced Pig wrote:
mach1.9pants wrote:
Commoner's Pig wrote:
*snort* Groink ?
How bout stats for a DIRE Commoner's Pig....
*SNORT* You talkin' to me, biped ?

AAhhhhhh Dire Celestial Advanced (Commoner's) Pigs!

Run away run to the hills....

(but, my Lord, they are coming from the hills)

Run away from the hills, when ever you see a hill, run the other way....

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Dire Celestial Advanced Pig wrote:
mach1.9pants wrote:
Commoner's Pig wrote:
*snort* Groink ?
How bout stats for a DIRE Commoner's Pig....
*SNORT* You talkin' to me, biped ?

~glares~ You are NOT making me sqeal like a pig! Do you hear me? ~casts "lullably" on the pig and then slowly backs away~


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Vic Wertz wrote:


The binding is smyth-sewn.

Hurray! \o/


Commoner's Pig wrote:
*snort* Groink ?

Grabs pig, tumbles past a couple of thugs, and slam dunks it into the wolverine pit

HE GRABS! HE RUNS HE SCOOOOORES!

AND THE CROWDS GO WIIIILD!

[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!]

Look at him do his victory dance!

(tada tada ta-da tada tada ta-da!)


Every time I see that commoner, I want to start shooting his head until some tentacles come out and then kill him with a flesh grenade.

And no, I did not play too much RE4.

And don't get me started on The Aristocrat! I just hope the rules for that class aren't modelled after a certain joke ;-)

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KaeYoss wrote:
Every time I see that commoner, I want to start shooting his head until some tentacles come out and then kill him with a flesh grenade...

Kinky or gross?

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KaeYoss wrote:
Commoner's Pig wrote:
*snort* Groink ?

Grabs pig, tumbles past a couple of thugs, and slam dunks it into the wolverine pit

HE GRABS! HE RUNS HE SCOOOOORES!

AND THE CROWDS GO WIIIILD!

[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!]

Look at him do his victory dance!

(tada tada ta-da tada tada ta-da!)

I agree that was an excellent encounter. Great Job Richard Pett and whoever pushed him into making that mini-game!

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The book looks great. I personally dont mind the reused art. This will be the Paizo bible, the word according to Jason. I can just see a passage in the beginning saying...

and Jason said "let there be light, no, let there be dim light, and let there be penalties for fighting in said dim light!"

It is more important the book has the meat/rules and less fluff to carry the company to the next level. Insuring the price will float with the common gamer. Lets face it, the majority gamers don't have a lot of disposable cash in this economy and this may be the one Paizo product they will buy.

The new art I am assuming will be mostly in the Bestiary where it is needed.

The most impressive thing to me about this project is the openess to listen to your customers (player feedback on the boards). Lisa had mentioned this is instrumental to a successful company and I feel it has been the demise other game companies "the game that must not be named, but is the world's most popular role playing game" I just love how you guys never mention the name of the RPG on your products.

Anyway, I hope you use the feedback in other core books, I myself would not mind buying beta versions of other rulesets as time goes on just to ensure the quality of product.

Great Job!!

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Gamer Girrl wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
WelbyBumpus wrote:
I'm glad to have basically the PHB and DMG in one tome, but my back groans at the thought of hauling this around to conventions, friends' houses, etc. along with all my other gaming books. I guess I'll just have to convince them all to get one!
Your back? Pity my poor postal worker. He'll be delivering 4(four!) of these things to my doorstep (hopefully on 8/13).
Don't worry about the postman, worry about your postbox or porch! ::cracking sound as a box is dumped on the landing::

Hope it does crack the porch. Been on the association to replace it anyway. ;-)

Silver Crusade

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AngrySpirit wrote:

Lisa had mentioned this is instrumental to a successful company and I feel it has been the demise other game companies "the game that must not be named, but is the world's most popular role playing game" I just love how you guys never mention the name of the RPG on your products.

I don't think that OGL even permits one to mention D&D on the product.

However one thing I noticed is that the "world's most popular role playing game" phrase is gone and replaced with "world's oldest role playing game".

Ah Lisa, you're such a bravado :)


GeraintElberion wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Every time I see that commoner, I want to start shooting his head until some tentacles come out and then kill him with a flesh grenade...
Kinky or gross?

Whatever you get when you use stone to flesh on a rock...

Think about it. What happens if you use it on something that wasn't flesh to begin with? What kind of flesh do you get? Would you cook and eat it?

Gives me the creeps.

Scarab Sages

I said it before and I'll say it again...

SO! MUCH! WANT!!!

Paizo Employee CEO

AngrySpirit wrote:

The most impressive thing to me about this project is the openess to listen to your customers (player feedback on the boards). Lisa had mentioned this is instrumental to a successful company and I feel it has been the demise other game companies "the game that must not be named, but is the world's most popular role playing game" I just love how you guys never mention the name of the RPG on your products.

Interestingly enough, we aren't being "snarky" when we say that. The OGL doesn't allow us to mention Dungeons and Dragons by name, only the d20 license does that and it has been cancelled. So we had to resort to the "compatible with the 3.5 edition of the world's most popular role playing game" tag as a way to say "compatible with D&D 3.5" as a necessity, not a jab or snarky comment.

-Lisa

Paizo Employee CEO

Gorbacz wrote:

However one thing I noticed is that the "world's most popular role playing game" phrase is gone and replaced with "world's oldest role playing game".

Ah Lisa, you're such a bravado :)

Not me. That is a Monaism. :)

-Lisa


Gorbacz wrote:
However one thing I noticed is that the "world's most popular role playing game" phrase is gone and replaced with "world's oldest role playing game".

Pathfinder is compatible with faking orgasms?

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However one thing I noticed is that the "world's most popular role playing game" phrase is gone and replaced with "world's oldest role playing game".

While it would be cool to hear the reasoning behind that, I would guess that "oldest" is more accurate these days. Pathfinder is not compatible with D&D 4th edition, which is now the world's most popular role-playing game. It is, however, compatible with previous editions of D&D, which is the world's oldest role-playing game.

I'm probably thinking about the change in phrasing a bit too much, though.


What I would have loved to see in this video that I'm sure couldn't have been done would have been the book set next to the PHB and DMG on top of each other. Just to see how large it is next to the two books it's replacing. I imagine it stacks up very well, especially once you factor in the double-cover of the other two.

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Charlie Brooks wrote:
...4th edition, which is now the world's most popular role-playing game.

Hardly. World of Warcraft is the world's most popular role-playing game by several orders of magnitude.

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I want that book!

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Epic Meepo wrote:
Charlie Brooks wrote:
...4th edition, which is now the world's most popular role-playing game.
Hardly. World of Warcraft is the world's most popular role-playing game by several orders of magnitude.

To my knowledge, computer games are not considered to be in the same industry. Otherwise, D&D hasn't been the world's most popular role-playing game since the first couple of Final Fantasy games came out.


As a former player of WoW, I would assert that calling it an RPG is like calling football an RPG. :-)

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I suggest that we go ahead and start organizing a support group for Pathfinder fans who blow their backs out carrying their group's copies of the Core Rules...

Porter's Anonymous? The Nodwick Foundation? Helping Hands for Hirelings?

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Lisa Stevens wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:

However one thing I noticed is that the "world's most popular role playing game" phrase is gone and replaced with "world's oldest role playing game".

Ah Lisa, you're such a bravado :)

Not me. That is a Monaism. :)

-Lisa

Love it. Erik's got it when it counts. Nice preview, nice book, the culmination of so much hope, risk, and reward!

Many thanks, and a joyous celebration from the hearts of many - - - to YOU, the keepers of good customer service, great customer listening skill, fantastic design crew, marvelous PAIZO staff, talented writers, brilliant artist, and the rest.... who hold precious the sake of integrity, openness, transparency, and tradition.

The Golem's heart beats even stronger today, more resolute and sure-footed, because a chance taken and timed well has restored and mended what was broken, and ushers in the next chapter of our community's history... one that is beautifully linked with the oldest role playing game, yet so honorably refreshed with the great minds and hearts of PAIZONIANS the world over.

Thank you abundantly.
And I declare August 13th... PAIZO-DAY !!! (or PATHFINDER RPG DAY)

In any case, a great day to play Pathfinder RPG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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