Dungeons & Dragons—Player's Handbook Heroes: Arcane Heroes 1


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Liberty's Edge

$10 for 3 plastic minis?!?

Are you f*ing kidding me?!?


Looks like you're paying for alot of packaging. I have a feeling that this marketing strategy will fail...

Liberty's Edge

You're right--looking at the box and figure size in the PX and I'd say you could fit 15-20 of these in a single package. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn it costs Hasbro more to box three figures than the figures themselves.

Liberty's Edge

WotC could learn a few things from Reaper when it comes to packaging minis; the amount of packaging to these minis is just ridiculous. At $10 for three (plastic) pre-painted minis I think I'm personally better off going with buying un-painted pewter miniatures and painting them in the future should the urge strike me.

Scarab Sages

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

I tend to agree that $10 for three minis seems high. Also some of the minis are recycled from the earlier DDM sets. The Half-elf Bard used to be Aramil, half-elf adventurer in the GoL set.

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If they ever hope to sell 3 minis for 10 bucks to me, they better:

1. Be some kick-ass figures.

2. Have much better paint jobs.

3. See one above. If you're going to recycle, it better be some of the great rares of the past...don't think Aramil qualifies. Sure, I might pay 10 if Elminster (for example) were among the heroes...

It goes without saying that a pack full of 4e frou-frou is not going to make the price right for non-4ers like myself.

The Exchange

But...but... you get EXCLUSIVE power cards too! That's worth at least $10 by itself! Am I right? Guys?

/sarcasm


Four-frou.

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
If they ever hope to sell 3 minis for 10 bucks to me, they better:

be lifesized.


Unfortunately, my Woodland Empathy allows me to know exactly which minis TD wants life-sized...

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Unfortunately, my Woodland Empathy allows me to know exactly which minis TD wants life-sized...

Seoni...

Paizo Employee Franchise Manager

Will Paizo be selling these individually as you do with the older, random sets or will they only be available as a full set in original packaging?

Dark Archive

TwiceBorn wrote:
Looks like you're paying for alot of packaging.

That's spot on, and true of all recent WotC product. It was one of my main beef with the recent Alara Intro-Packs for M:tG in a review I wrote. The price went up a lot, but the packaging only looks fine in the store. It's basically useless to keep your minis/cards/whatever.

It's the same catch everywhere. You pay more for packaging and get less of actual gaming content. True for DDM 2.0, now for D&D minis, true for M:tG (the Intro-Packs only contain 40 playable cards and 1 random booster), true of 4E modules - the folder sucks up on pricing, and isn't that useful. I like to have one folder for the maps, at best, but not one folder per module (H1, H2, H3, P1, P2, P3, E1, E2, E3).

TwiceBorn wrote:
I have a feeling that this marketing strategy will fail...

Unfortunately, no. WotC is just (if somewhat late on) picking up a trend here that's been pretty pervasive and successful in the toy industry. The aforementioned re-packaging of M:tG is simply copying Yu-Gi-Oh. It's oriented to get product off the shelves, and on that note I think it really succeeds. Not for enlightened grown ups like you and me, to be sure, but if I was an 8-year old in a toy store, I think my eyes would glaze over and I'd hassle my mum to get me a pack.

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I guess the irony I find is that for an 'internet savy' game (as evidenced by the push for DDI) these products will only succeed with people who are unaware of the secondary mini market on e-bay/max-minis, or heck here.


Wow, they're even more expensive than when I bought my last D&D minis. But, to be fair, they look even worse, too, so it all evens out.

Liberty's Edge Contributor

Well, I've just been cured of my D&D mini addiction. It certainly doesn't help that the painting quality for their minis took a sharp nosedive about a year ago.

Mediocre plastic minis are supposed to be the cheaper alternative to lead, but now they're comparably priced to the more-durable and better-sculpted Reaper minis.


mattdroz wrote:

$10 for 3 plastic minis?!?

Are you f*ing kidding me?!?

They are; it is actually $11...

:P

The Exchange

Immora wrote:

Well, I've just been cured of my D&D mini addiction. It certainly doesn't help that the painting quality for their minis took a sharp nosedive about a year ago.

Mediocre plastic minis are supposed to be the cheaper alternative to lead, but now they're comparably priced to the more-durable and better-sculpted Reaper minis.

Yep, clearly they're now aiming squarely at the "too lazy to paint" crowd.

Sovereign Court

Fiendish Dire Weasel wrote:


Yep, clearly they're now aiming squarely at the "too lazy to paint" crowd.

This too lazy to paint buyer can go onto the internet and buy a pretty okay painted Mage Knight mini for, on average, 12 cents. With the right seller, it's not even 3 bucks for the miniature when I factor SHIPPING into the price.

Liberty's Edge

So, folks complained when the minis were random, so they make them not random, and folks are still complaining! ;-)

It's not really funny, and I can see it, especially with the over-packaging and all. Looking at the above product, what would be a good price for this pack? $6.99 maybe?

No, I have no interest in these, I have too many PC minis to count. On the other hand, when the monster sets come out later in the year I'll take a good look. I'd avoid the packs that have monsters I already have. Looking forward to that.

-DM Jeff


DM Jeff wrote:

So, folks complained when the minis were random, so they make them not random, and folks are still complaining! ;-)

It's not really funny, and I can see it, especially with the over-packaging and all. Looking at the above product, what would be a good price for this pack? $6.99 maybe?

No, I have no interest in these, I have too many PC minis to count. On the other hand, when the monster sets come out later in the year I'll take a good look. I'd avoid the packs that have monsters I already have. Looking forward to that.

-DM Jeff

I actually liked the randomness...if there was a particular Mini that I was looking for, and that I didn't end up getting, then I would look for that one mini at either my FLGS or on-line.

The ideal situation, from my point of view, would be a mix of random and non-random. As a DM, I would definately buy a package of 6-8 related monster sets (skeletons, orcs, gnolls, etc). Gone would be the day of using the incorrect mini's to represent what the party is currently fighting! :)


So I called my FLGS to see if they had the product in, and they do. They are going for 14.99 (Cdn), while the old mini products went for $16.99 (Cdn).

So I can now get 3 mini's for approx. $5 each, when I used to get 8 mini's for approx. $2.12 each.

So obviously, WoTC must attribute the problem with the Mini's market purely to the randomness of the product, because they aren't a better deal (financially) and they are not a better product (I still can't believe that they have recycled one of the old mini's in this new venture!).

Sovereign Court

DM Jeff wrote:

Looking at the above product, what would be a good price for this pack? $6.99 maybe?

Wardrums, a 3rd edition box, was US$13 for 8 miniature, nothing huge or larger. That's US$1.62 a miniature.

A Demonweb booster, 4th edition I think, containing 8 miniatures, nothing Huge or larger, is US$15. That's US$1.87 a miniature - 4th edition is apparently 20 cents better than 3rd.

These new sets are US$10 for 3 miniatures. US$3.33 a miniature. Apparently, being able to get a specific miniature (note I didn't say the one I want, since I might want, say, a Male Eladrin Bard or a Female Dwarf Cleric) is worth approximately a buck fifty. To make these new sets match previous miniature sets for value without the non-random surcharge, these sets would need to cost around US$5.25, add in the 4th edition surcharge, throw in a "paying for the brand name" fee, and US$5.99 feels comfortable.

Liberty's Edge

Gene wrote:
WotC could learn a few things from Reaper when it comes to packaging minis; the amount of packaging to these minis is just ridiculous. At $10 for three (plastic) pre-painted minis I think I'm personally better off going with buying un-painted pewter miniatures and painting them in the future should the urge strike me.

Especially when Reaper offers pre-painted METAL minis for $5 a mini...

Liberty's Edge

mattdroz wrote:
Especially when Reaper offers pre-painted METAL minis for $5 a mini...

I actually didn't know they had a pre-painted metal line, I knew that they had a pre-painted plastic line that was fairly decent (albeit a little slow on the updates...); mind throwing out a link to those interested?

Paizo Employee CEO

yoda8myhead wrote:
Will Paizo be selling these individually as you do with the older, random sets or will they only be available as a full set in original packaging?

There is really no reason to sell these as singles, since they are non-randomized. Add that we would have to charge $3/mini minimum to get our money back, and it just doesn't make sense. Perhaps once they are out of print and we start buying them from collections, but not until then.

However, we will be offering the monster packs in singles once they come out in May.

-Lisa

Paizo Employee CEO

Gene wrote:
mattdroz wrote:
Especially when Reaper offers pre-painted METAL minis for $5 a mini...
I actually didn't know they had a pre-painted metal line, I knew that they had a pre-painted plastic line that was fairly decent (albeit a little slow on the updates...); mind throwing out a link to those interested?

I don't think that Reaper has prepainted metal minis—just the prepainted plastic ones. If I somehow missed a whole line of prepainted metal minis, please point me in that direction too!

-Lisa


Only ones I can find is the plastic one, not bad looking mind you but they are plastic

Liberty's Edge

DM Jeff wrote:

.... Looking at the above product, what would be a good price for this pack? $6.99 maybe?...

-DM Jeff

$4.99 seems a good price based on what I saw in the store. I'd also expect a 4-for-3 deal from Amazon.

My complaints are--
-repackaging minis from three years ago and calling it new (at a new price, too)
-poorly-painted minis being called high-quality
-a really big box for just three figures and cards
-too expensive (to me the price looks immediately too high)


Immora wrote:
It certainly doesn't help that the painting quality for their minis took a sharp nosedive about a year ago.

Is that in addition to the plummet they took a year or so before that?

DM Jeff wrote:
So, folks complained when the minis were random, so they make them not random, and folks are still complaining! ;-)

Yeah. Those punks requiring decent quality and reasonable prices - there's no way pleasing them!

Larry Latourneau wrote:

I still can't believe that they have recycled one of the old mini's in this new venture!

And that's not really the punchline. The punchline is that the new version looks worse than the old one (and that was from a fairly early set when the minis weren't that great yet)

All reaper has to do now is get their problems with their Legendary Encounters line solved and advertise their stuff, and they can dominate the plastic fantasy minis market.

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KaeYoss wrote:
All reaper has to do now is get their problems with their Legendary Encounters line solved and advertise their stuff, and they can dominate the plastic fantasy minis market.

Or strike a deal with Paizo. That'd be a killer combination...

Of course, I just want Prepainted, Palstic Paizo minis!

Scarab Sages

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber
Larry Latourneau wrote:

(I still can't believe that they have recycled one of the old mini's in this new venture!).

Aramil isn't the only recycled mini. The Cleric of St. Cuthbert returns as a younger looking Male Human Cleric.

And the Drow Sergeant returns as the Female Eladrin Fighter.

Scarab Sages

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

Um, I don't want to say what the Snake Swarm looks like to me.

The Medusa Archer from the same preview looks pretty good, though. I'm not feelin that Unicorn. Sorry.

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Boerngrim wrote:
Um, I don't want to say what the Snake Swarm looks like to me.

heh heh heh

All these new paint jobs are absolutely abhorent!!! 8O


wow in the promo pics they look very shody


I have not yet seen the WOTC images (I will have to check when I get home), but I know from experience that even a mini with a really good paint job can look horrible if photographed wrong. Still, you would think that WOTC would want a good promo image.

Regardless of appearances, the price is no longer right for me.

Scarab Sages

I've seen the product in my FLGS and they look crappy, the promo photo makes the mini's look a best as they are ever going to look unless you paint them yourself.

Dark Archive

Boerngrim wrote:

Um, I don't want to say what the Snake Swarm looks like to me.

The Medusa Archer from the same preview looks pretty good, though. I'm not feelin that Unicorn. Sorry.

Yeah, I'm not feeling these, either.


Have to say, I checked all these sets out in my FLGS today and couldn't find a single one that looked good enough for me to want to shuck out the $10 for one. I really cannot see anyone who has something else to spend their money on like food or rent, spending any of it on these. I know a few kids who might spend their allowance money on it, but even my 14 year old looked at these and went "Naw..that's too much". This from a kid who spends the $15 he got from grandma on pizza and some candy; not a discerning consumer.

Yeah, as was said before "this is a marketing strategy that will likely fail"

Low quality + high price = FAIL

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Sornyth the Dark wrote:

Have to say, I checked all these sets out in my FLGS today and couldn't find a single one that looked good enough for me to want to shuck out the $10 for one. I really cannot see anyone who has something else to spend their money on like food or rent, spending any of it on these. I know a few kids who might spend their allowance money on it, but even my 14 year old looked at these and went "Naw..that's too much". This from a kid who spends the $15 he got from grandma on pizza and some candy; not a discerning consumer.

Yeah, as was said before "this is a marketing strategy that will likely fail"

Low quality + high price = FAIL

I understand, I was looking at a new Thrawn or an Asako on E-bay (sorry, I actually like the little padawan and will feel bad when she's slaughtered by clones) but the quality is so poor... the latest batch of jedi suffer 'lightsabre overcompensation' and the new Thrawn looks like Frankenstein. These minis almost make them look good.

That said, I loved the Imperial Knights a few sets ago. They look cool.

Sovereign Court

I would have to concur on the price as you can but eight ramdom minis in an average pack, i.e. Darklands, and you can usually get a store discount on top of that.


$10 isn't that much for the exact minis I want (considering I would likely have to pay shipping and more than $10 to get a character single), but having seen them in the store, the paint-job looks so shoddy I can't even consider it.

Grand Lodge

Is it just me or is anyone else tired of the repaint re-release D & D miniature? Several of the hero sets have a miniature that was previously released. This is too lame.

Grand Lodge

Actually all these cards are avalible though D & D Insider.

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