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David Fryer wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:
Give Escaflowne a try (yes I know it has giant robots)
Just don't confuse it with Evangelion.

I'm not really sure how anyone could.


Gaahhh:
I'm surprised anyone else watched Dominion: Tank Police (it's been a long time for me even).

Wicht:
Bebop is probably one of my favorite shows. The same person that worked on it worked on Trigun and Samurai Champloo as well (two other favorites).

DSXMachina:
I'm not big on Excel Saga... although it does succeed in being a parody of everything, it's just very... odd for my tastes.

If you can find them, Venus Wars and Barefoot Gen/Barefooted Gen (I've seen it both ways) are both good. B-Gen really made me think over what I thought about the nuclear bombs in WW2 (It's a historical movie, as well as a Manga), but I'd warn you not to let anyone under 14-15 years old watch it (I did at 12, when TBS would run late-night Anime... I regret that I watched it then). Vampire Hunter D (the original) was very good, but as the trope wore on I got less entertainment out of it.

Mind you, I'm a fan of Gundam 0083 (the Universal Century series), and Gundam Wing. Gundam Seed and Mobile Fighter don't really do it for me. I'm also a fan of earlier seasons of InuYasha and Full Metal Alchemist. I also enjoy Tactics, which is a pretty nice take on demon hunting.

I'll also go with the Miyazaki movies. Those things are works of art within themselves. They are probably the highest quality I've seen in the US.


IMO Hellsing: ultimate is very good and true to the Hellsing manga. Nothing against Hellsing but I like Ultimate more, better story arc. Even though it does have a well endowed female character who can't help but love a cocky vampire that knows he is the s$@t.

Scarab Sages

Don't forget these:

The Melancholoy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Watch out for the dance!!

Lucky Star - The anime is great, and yes there is another dance!!

Scrapped Princess - Great Fantasy, if a little old.

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time - Beautiful film.

Death Note - Hyped to death by the emo/goth kids, but actually rather good.

Mai-HiME - School girls with big talents... at fighting. I actually rather enjoyed this.

Cheers! :D


Darkmeer: Dominion was one of the first anime OVAs I'd ever seen, that with Robot Carnival, Lensman, Venus Wars, Lily Cat, and pretty much anything that ran on Saturday Anime on Sci-Fi back in the mid-90s. I've been hooked ever since (still trying to find Lensman on DVD, or praying that they make it one day).

Macross Do You Remember Love is awesome, and I throw it in the DVD player every once in a while. Macross Frontier is the first series in several years that has sparked that nostalgic feeling I used to get from Macross and Macross Plus. I really didn't want it to conclude, but later decided it was for the best (no sense to drag on and dilute the plot of a really good series).

Glad to meet a fellow Gundam UC fan, and I wish Bandai/Sunrise would make another UC series (I'd really like to see Advance of Zeta fill that niche, since it seems to be the best candidate). I can't really get into the alternate universe series. I watched SEED, which was decent, then SEED Destiny, which felt like a poor imitation of Zeta Gundam. I heard 00 was actually pretty good, but I might a few more reviews before I decide to follow it.

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Kevin Mack wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:
Give Escaflowne a try (yes I know it has giant robots)
Just don't confuse it with Evangelion.
I'm not really sure how anyone could.

Actually I did once, when I went to Blockbuster. I thought I was grabbing the next disk of Escaflone, but instead grabbed Evangelion. It was the saddest day of my life. From that point I made sure to get all my anime from the president of the local anime club.

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Which brings up another good point. Find out if there is an anime club in your area. Most clubs that I have visited have a lending library and can recommend anime based on your specific tastes. They also usually have a monthly meeting where they watch a wide array of anime from multiple genres. That will help you get a feel for what is out there, above and beyond what MTV and Cartoon Network show. You might even find little gems that you never would have tried watching on your own, like Angelic Layer.

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ComicJam wrote:

Don't forget these:

The Melancholoy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Watch out for the dance!!

Lucky Star - The anime is great, and yes there is another dance!!

Scrapped Princess - Great Fantasy, if a little old.

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time - Beautiful film.

Death Note - Hyped to death by the emo/goth kids, but actually rather good.

Mai-HiME - School girls with big talents... at fighting. I actually rather enjoyed this.

Cheers! :D

Also try:

Lucky Star

Maburaho

Sister Princess

Pumpkin Scissors

Angelic Layer

Chobits

Please Teacher!

Please Twins!


KaeYoss wrote:
Your ignorance is staggering.

So said my wife when I mistook Christina Aguelera for Britney Spears. To a person who doesn't listen to a lot of modern "pop tarts," believe me, they all sound alike.

If I show you a chunk of sandy limestone, and a chunk of graywacke, you'd no doubt look at them both and say, "so what, two pieces of rocks." Unless you're a fellow rock nut, you don't want me, in all likelihood, to explain how they're actually different kinds of rock, indicative of different depositional environments and histories. And it is astonishing to me that anyone could mistake calcite for halite! But for people not into that stuff, they neither know the difference nor really care enough about it to learn.

Similarly, to a person who's not actually into Anime... well, the fact is, they all look alike.


Kirth Gersen wrote:


If I show you a chunk of sandy limestone, and a chunk of graywacke, you'd no doubt look at them both and say, "so what, two pieces of rocks." Unless you're a fellow rock nut, you don't want me, in all likelihood, to explain how they're actually different kinds of rock, indicative of different depositional environments and histories. And it is astonishing to me that anyone could mistake calcite for halite! But for people not into that stuff, they neither know the difference nor really care enough about it to learn.

Similarly, to a person who's not actually into Anime... well, the fact is, they all look alike.

Agreed about the anime point.

As to being a rock nut... I used to work in a small jewelry store, and I've seen some amazing things done with "just rocks." The variety and, yes, the geological information that's out there is staggering.

/d

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The OP makes me assume that s/he only watches anime on an american network.

I support both Death Note and Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya mentions. Besides those, it depends on what you're looking for. To mention 3 anime of very different genres as a quick example:

Samurai Champloo
Yakitate!! Japan (1st season only unless you speak japanese, the second season is filled with japanese-based puns).
Hellsing


Sturmvogel wrote:

Darkmeer: Dominion was one of the first anime OVAs I'd ever seen, that with Robot Carnival, Lensman, Venus Wars, Lily Cat, and pretty much anything that ran on Saturday Anime on Sci-Fi back in the mid-90s. I've been hooked ever since (still trying to find Lensman on DVD, or praying that they make it one day).

Macross Do You Remember Love is awesome, and I throw it in the DVD player every once in a while. Macross Frontier is the first series in several years that has sparked that nostalgic feeling I used to get from Macross and Macross Plus. I really didn't want it to conclude, but later decided it was for the best (no sense to drag on and dilute the plot of a really good series).

Glad to meet a fellow Gundam UC fan, and I wish Bandai/Sunrise would make another UC series (I'd really like to see Advance of Zeta fill that niche, since it seems to be the best candidate). I can't really get into the alternate universe series. I watched SEED, which was decent, then SEED Destiny, which felt like a poor imitation of Zeta Gundam. I heard 00 was actually pretty good, but I might a few more reviews before I decide to follow it.

FINALLY other UC Gundam fans!!! We have to have a party of some kind.

For my fellow UC afficionadoes, check out MS IGLOO and its sequel. Both tell the story of the One Year War from the Zeon and Federation perspective WITHOUT mentioning the word Newtype even once. My personal favorite from this series is "Shoot At That Death!" which tells the sad story of how the Federation fought mobile suit technology before they had mobile suits.


David Fryer wrote:
ComicJam wrote:

Don't forget these:

The Melancholoy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Watch out for the dance!!

Lucky Star - The anime is great, and yes there is another dance!!

Scrapped Princess - Great Fantasy, if a little old.

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time - Beautiful film.

Death Note - Hyped to death by the emo/goth kids, but actually rather good.

Mai-HiME - School girls with big talents... at fighting. I actually rather enjoyed this.

Cheers! :D

Also try:

Lucky Star

Maburaho

Sister Princess

Pumpkin Scissors

Angelic Layer

Chobits

Please Teacher!

Please Twins!

Ah, CLAMP, my secret forbidden love....how I have missed you, let us run off and hide and draw pictures of cute little wings together...*cough and trys to sound manly* I mean, 'ha, that girls stuff, boring!!!!!'

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Zombieneighbours wrote:


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Princess mononoke is both beautiful and a brilliant lesson in how to do a morality play with an ecologicial subject.

The many of the other studio gibli films will be the films my children grow up watching that than the s@!# that comes out of disney.

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That's a fine idea, and it worked out well for us. Some friends got my daughter a VHS copy of My Neighbor Totoro for her second birthday. We have a great picture of her watching the opening credits with her mouth wide open (she was imitating the little critters that morph into the title). She eventually wore it out, and I think we may have gone through a second tape copy before we got the older DVD version; we recently got the Disney-dub version DVD. (Even though the picture quality on the Disney dub is much better, we're kind of partial to the older translation.)


Cool :)

Scarab Sages

I would second the Miyazaki films.
My daughter thinks Spirited Away is hysterical, especially when the slime monster comes for a bath.

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Jared Ouimette wrote:

Top Ten Reasons:

1. ITS THE SAME. Bleach, Naruto, Pokemon, you name it, the concept is basically the same. Boy vs. Bad things. Sometimes they switch it up with...a Girl! And she has Magic Powers! Lame.

try other ones...

my recomendation could be:

Coyote Ragtime Show
Devil May Cry
Ergo Proxy
Claymore
Tsukihime

don't blame Anime in general... blame marketting... since many people like long series like that, they mess like that... I prefer shorter, darker more serious animes... so I get more decent stories. still if you want fun:

School Rumble (pardies)
Mai Hime (yes.. magic girls... but watch till episode 7... if you can stop watching you I can do nothing for you... but oh... goodness... it gets serous and gritty... i loved it)

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Snorter wrote:

I would second the Miyazaki films.

My daughter thinks Spirited Away is hysterical, especially when the slime monster comes for a bath.

My kids also have been raised on Studio Ghibli (and Pixar) instead of Disney. They have seen just about all of them released in this country but Princess Mononoke and Grave of the Fireflies (oh and Lupin III).


Wicht wrote:
Snorter wrote:

I would second the Miyazaki films.

My daughter thinks Spirited Away is hysterical, especially when the slime monster comes for a bath.
My kids also have been raised on Studio Ghibli (and Pixar) instead of Disney. They have seen just about all of them released in this country but Princess Mononoke and Grave of the Fireflies (oh and Lupin III).

Princess Mononoke is definately worth showing to them. Such a good story.

Scarab Sages

Zombieneighbours wrote:
Wicht wrote:
Snorter wrote:

I would second the Miyazaki films.

My daughter thinks Spirited Away is hysterical, especially when the slime monster comes for a bath.
My kids also have been raised on Studio Ghibli (and Pixar) instead of Disney. They have seen just about all of them released in this country but Princess Mononoke and Grave of the Fireflies (oh and Lupin III).
Princess Mononoke is definately worth showing to them. Such a good story.

Princess Monoke is a great movie but some of the issues and language are a little too much for us to approve of it as a kids movie. We're pretty strict on what we let them watch.


Bunch a no good lucky Studio Ghibli watchin kids...I bet their parents make them fantasy costumes too...


Lucky Star is great. Kind of like if the Paizo boards were suddenly turned into high schoolers. Wait....

And another vote for Mai-Hime. Sure, its a combo magical girl/monster summoner show, but man, the emotional rollercoaster was intense at the end. My anime watching buddy was actually shook up by it, and he's rarely emotionally affected by anything. Good stuff.

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The Black Bard wrote:

Lucky Star is great. Kind of like if the Paizo boards were suddenly turned into high schoolers. Wait....

And another vote for Mai-Hime. Sure, its a combo magical girl/monster summoner show, but man, the emotional rollercoaster was intense at the end. My anime watching buddy was actually shook up by it, and he's rarely emotionally affected by anything. Good stuff.

ohh yeah

in the end you are hitting your head against a wall the way things are going all the way to the drain... shocking, strong... I loved it.

Scarab Sages

Record of Lodoss War
Samurai Seven
Full Metal Alchemist

Those are my favorites...

I hate DragonballZ
I HATE INUYASHA
I REALLY HATE AKIRA!!!!

Oh yeah, and my kids love Studio Ghibli films...

They just watched Totoro last week heh.

Shadow Lodge

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Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:

Record of Lodoss War

Samurai Seven
Full Metal Alchemist

Those are my favorites...

I hate DragonballZ
I HATE INUYASHA
I REALLY HATE AKIRA!!!!

Oh yeah, and my kids love Studio Ghibli films...

They just watched Totoro last week heh.

Notices Fullmetal... Have you seen the first or second episode of Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood?


A few I really like that I haven't seen listed:

Revolutionary Girl Utena:
It seems really saccharin at first, but the depth of symbolism in it is staggering. Pay attention to recurring themes and symbols and there's a whole other show below what is readily apparent.

Mushishi:
Another very deep anime that has no real plot other than exploring the main character's personality and past.

Guren Lagan:
So over the top it's hilarious, takes most of the anime cliches and enlarges them to ridiculous proportions. Funny for the sheer exaggeration of so many "mech anime" tropes and cliches. It's a parody of itself.

Gankutsuo:
Count of Monte Cristo... in space

Peacemaker:
Yeah, the protagonist has a tragic past, but the entire show is about exploring his humanity. Furthermore, he has no incredible powers or skill and his prepubescence is a regular detriment to him and his ambitions.

Fullmetal Alchemist:
Conforms to many cliches but is amazing despite this. Excellent character development and plot.


OK, I think we are now safely to the point where we ignore whatever this thread was originally about, and proceed to list our favorite anime.
No exact order:
Full Metal Alchemist
Samurai Champloo
Ghost in the Shell (any)
Gankutsuo: The Count of Monte Cristo

(Did I leave any out?)

In spite of its weaknesses, I'd sure like to at least finish Inuyasha.

Add: Chevalier D'eon, Saiyuki (first season only), Akashi Samurai Horror Stories, Gilgameash

I need to finish Last Exile.


oops, yeah... definitely samurai champloo should be on there as well

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GAAAHHHH wrote:

Also check out:

Dominion: Tank Police
Project A-ko, Ranma1/2
Akira
Gunsmith Cats
Dirty Pair
Ninja Scroll

Ok. Those are all old anime, but they are still good (IMHO).

Old ones are the best ones. They just keep getting stupidder and more childish as time ogoes on.

Give me:
Akira (Nowhere near the same depth as the 6 Volume Manga, but still better than most of today's crap)
Ghost in the Shell
Ninja Scroll
Patlabor (the original)
Wicked City
any day. Those are my favourites, but your list is good.
Ranma 1/2 is so funny you better be wearing plastic undies 'cause you're gonna piss yourself laughing!
Dominion: Tank Police is good, as was Gunsmith Cats.

I gave up even trying to watch a lot of recent stuff, but one I definately did enjoy was Cowboy Bebop. Brilliant!

Liberty's Edge

Results of this thread?

Anime fans will go to obscene lengths to tell someone why their opinion is wrong.

For a second there, I thought this was a 4e thread...


Nah...I just waited until the thread was about what I wanted it to be about, I didn't say anybody was wrong. I didn't even disagree with people whose shows I think suck.

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I'm just saying, yeah, there's some ok anime, but it's an entertainment media. It isn't "better" or "deeper" than anything else, in general, some of it is "deep" (I guess) and "good" (I enjoyed Vampire Hunter "D" and Akira, watched the hell out of Battle of the Planets when I was a kid), but it's just another story telling medium.


I didn't look...were you the OP? Would you feel better if I told you how wrong you were?

Yeah, I loved Battle of the Planets and Star Blazers...but when I was super small, it was Speed Racer. I'm convinced I was being affected by some kind of fumes when I was little.

Liberty's Edge

I liked Star Blazers, the Captain and I shared a name, after all :)

No, I wasn't the OP, and I'm ambivalent towards anime in general, I just like pointing out that fanboys and girls are all the same, if you say anything negative about their favorite things.

I'd also like to point out the delicious irony that some of the above posters were quite put out during the edition wars when 4e fanboys would call them "wrong" about their opinions of 4e.

I'm not going to name names, but the archives are there, and they know who they are.

:)

Scarab Sages

Prepare for a shock: I didn't think Full Metal Alchemist was that great.
Though I did enjoy something with a similar name, Full Metal Panic! Fumoffu.

Here comes a really stereotypical anime, that's fun if you need to switch off:
Code Geass
There are two seasons and my wife and I enjoyed the ridiculous fan-service in the second season!

Cheers! :D


Some good Fantasy Anime:
Record of Loddos Wars - best version of D&D on the screen.
Slayers - rollercoaster from slapstick to serious to emotional and back.

Some good Science Fiction Anime:
Tenchi Muyo (apart from "Tenchi in Tokyo")
Full Metal Panic

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Yeah, I loved Battle of the Planets and Star Blazers...but when I was super small, it was Speed Racer.

I loved and own the full sets of both Battle of the Planets and Starblazers on DVD. I also own full sets of Robotech, (while not Anime, I am just being nostalgic for my childhood) Transformers and Mysterious Cities of Gold.

We're off, to outer space.
We're leaving Mother Earth.
To save, the human race.
Our. Star. Blazers!

Yes, I had that as my ringtone for a short time. I freely admit it. :D

Scarab Sages

I just realized - no one has mentioned Gunslinger Girl (at least that I have seen). Very good story - thought not fully available to us american fans.

Also, while not really Anime, my kids have really been enjoying Galaxy Rangers, which was just about my favorite cartoon ever as a kid. I mean, who wouldn't enjoy a cartoon that has Clint Eastwood as a regular character (though voiced by someone else).


flash_cxxi wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Yeah, I loved Battle of the Planets and Star Blazers...but when I was super small, it was Speed Racer.

I loved and own the full sets of both Battle of the Planets and Starblazers on DVD. I also own full sets of Robotech, (while not Anime, I am just being nostalgic for my childhood) Transformers and Mysterious Cities of Gold.

We're off, to outer space.
We're leaving Mother Earth.
To save, the human race.
Our. Star. Blazers!

Yes, I had that as my ringtone for a short time. I freely admit it. :D

Ah, the city of gold. I saw exactly ONE episode of that when I was ten and visiting PA. I never saw it again. How is it?

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houstonderek wrote:

I liked Star Blazers, the Captain and I shared a name, after all :)

No, I wasn't the OP, and I'm ambivalent towards anime in general, I just like pointing out that fanboys and girls are all the same, if you say anything negative about their favorite things.

I'd also like to point out the delicious irony that some of the above posters were quite put out during the edition wars when 4e fanboys would call them "wrong" about their opinions of 4e.

I'm not going to name names, but the archives are there, and they know who they are.

:)

Well, just for the record, they have been a lot more polite over here. Also there is a big difference between, you don't like my favorite edition, you are full of suck, and offering suggestions on other options that might be avaliable.


houstonderek wrote:

Results of this thread?

Anime fans will go to obscene lengths to tell someone why their opinion is wrong.

For a second there, I thought this was a 4e thread...

That doesn't seem to be what's going on at all. In fact they seemed to take very little effort to prove the OP wrong.

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Of course two of us have gone out of our way to tell Derek that he's wrong about us telling people they are wrong. ;P


David, it would be impolite to begin counting the things HD's been wrong on...

Spoiler:
1,042 in threads I've read since coming on board, but who's counting...oh yeah, and just keep that between us.

Flash, you're not going to get me singing the SB theme again...nope...[twitch, twitch]

Liberty's Edge

Heroic Age is cool and based in greek mythology, but very sparcely

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Freehold DM wrote:
Ah, the Mysterious Cities of Gold. I saw exactly ONE episode of that when I was ten and visiting PA. I never saw it again. How is it?

I remeber it being a lot better, but then don't we always.

It wasn't too bad though. A bit cheesy, but one thing I did notice is that it was quite violent for a program supposedly aimed at children.
The real world info session at the end had graphic pictures of chicken sacrifice (cutting the head off with a cleaver) and talking about human sacrifice and such.

I still have two episodes to watch. I got it last December, but have had tons of other stuff to watch and so hae just been watching a bit here and there.


flash_cxxi wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Ah, the Mysterious Cities of Gold. I saw exactly ONE episode of that when I was ten and visiting PA. I never saw it again. How is it?

I remeber it being a lot better, but then don't we always.

It wasn't too bad though. A bit cheesy, but one thing I did notice is that it was quite violent for a program supposedly aimed at children.
The real world info session at the end had graphic pictures of chicken sacrifice (cutting the head off with a cleaver) and talking about human sacrifice and such.

I still have two episodes to watch. I got it last December, but have had tons of other stuff to watch and so hae just been watching a bit here and there.

Well, fill me in when you finish watching. I just talked my wife's ear off about the trip I took when I saw that show. LOTS of memories.


has anyone here other than me watched mushishi?


Rhavin wrote:
has anyone here other than me watched mushishi?

I am watching it one and off. It is really cool.

My faverate ep so far is the one with the girl in the black room.

Scarab Sages

Zombieneighbours wrote:
Rhavin wrote:
has anyone here other than me watched mushishi?

I am watching it one and off. It is really cool.

My faverate ep so far is the one with the girl in the black room.

I have watched the first 3 or 4.

I usually go for more 'alternate' anime and themes (Gankutsu&#333;, for example), but I don't know why, but this does not seem to grab me. Am I missing something?

Cheers! :D


Freehold DM wrote:

Has any checked out the 2009/Spring anime thread a few doors down? Check that out before passing judgement, there seems to be a lot of promising new stuff, especially Guin Saga, which is a VERY old series that has only recently garnered an attached anime. I'd be very much interested in getting opinions on the anime listed there.

Guin Saga's alot of fun- the "violence" in the series tends towards being more "bloodless" and somewhat campy (fairly safe for the family)- but that might be one the schedule and venue that it's being shown on- the NHK, the japanese equivalent to PBS or BBC in the early evening.

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