[Conditions] Does "pinned" mean Dex = 0?


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There's a footnote in table 9-6 that says a pinned defender's Dexterity is "treated" as 0, but that isn't mentioned anywhere else in the rules. Could you please either remove it from the table or add it to the description in the "Conditions" chapter?

I would suggest removing it entirely, since a Dex of 0 generally means you're helpless (which you're not, if you're only pinned).


pg 161
Some spells restrict you to willing targets only.
Declaring yourself as a willing target is something that
can be done at any time (even if you’re flat-footed or it
isn’t your turn). Unconscious creatures are a utomatically
considered willing, but a character who is conscious
but immobile or helpless (such as one who is bound,
cowering, grappling, paralyzed, pinned, or stunned) is not
automatically willing.

this example list of helpless if VERY misleading too
the only thing in common is loss of Dex bonus to AC
only paralyzed and bound qualify as examples of helpless in that list

pg 401
Pinned: A pinned creature is tightly bound and can
take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is
flat-footed. A pinned character also takes an additional –4...

this needs a rewrite too :O
bound is a form of helpless by definition
I was VERY confused on this issue until I read the SRD
the combination of both as written, infers open to coup de grace if flat-footed

that means a rogue can coup de grace ANYONE in suprize round with the suprize attacks talent,
since as uncanny dodge does not stop flat-footed

SRD states quite clearly in definition of Pinned to the contrary

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