Mind flayers and CMB O MY!!


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Scarab Sages

i just finish using a mind flayer in my game and they barb of the group got it in a grapple and pinned it while the rest of the party pounded on it. thats all fine but he pointed out that CMB rolls add your attack roll bonuses to the roll like weapon focus and such, for all moves. Now overrun and grapple state they are std actions and dont use attack rolls while rest do, but if you add all your bonuses to attack roll and none to defence it becomes the fighters touch attack basically. am i reading this correct??

also with the mind flayer using the CMB rules he has to make an attack in order to have one of his tentacles attach using improved grapple he starts a free grapple if hit, but if he does a full attack with all 4 can he get free grapples with each tentacle?

having him take 4 rounds to grapple someone to eat their brain really downgrades their deadly nature.

Scarab Sages

no help here guys???


Steven Hume wrote:
i just finish using a mind flayer in my game and they barb of the group got it in a grapple and pinned it while the rest of the party pounded on it. thats all fine but he pointed out that CMB rolls add your attack roll bonuses to the roll like weapon focus and such, for all moves.

I don't think combat manuevers take into account all attack roll bonuses. The text for combat manuevers states that you add any bonuses from specific feats or abilites, I'm pretty sure they mean just feats or abilities that relate to the manuever not the attack roll. I might be wrong but that's how I read it.

Steven Hume wrote:

Now overrun and grapple state they are std actions and dont use attack rolls while rest do, but if you add all your bonuses to attack roll and none to defence it becomes the fighters touch attack basically. am i reading this correct??

Overrun, bull rush and grapple, STILL use the attack roll (as they are combat manuevers) but can't be used in place of an attack like disarm. those manuevers are standard actions but never say you don't use an attack roll.

Steven Hume wrote:

also with the mind flayer using the CMB rules he has to make an attack in order to have one of his tentacles attach using improved grapple he starts a free grapple if hit, but if he does a full attack with all 4 can he get free grapples with each tentacle?

having him take 4 rounds to grapple someone to eat their brain really downgrades their deadly nature.

According to the entry on Mind flayers it can start a grapple for free any time it hits with a tentacle and if it does take a full attack may attack with all four tentacles and try to grapple with all of them. Mind Flayers have Improved Grab, which is not exactly the same as improved grapple. Oh yeah, also, don't forget that if a mind flayer starts a round with just one tentacle attached, it can attempt to latch on with the other 3 with only 1 grapple check.

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