Double Arcane Bond?

[Brandon Gillespie]

I just had a question posed to me from one of my players. A character starts out with a wizard and for the Arcane bond cooses an item, Say at second level they multiclass into Sorcerer (Arcane Bloodline) Can he now choose to gain a familiar too? And the levels stack for both? I don't think you should be allowed to do this but I can't find anything that says you may only have 1 arcane bond! Any thoughts?

[Dogbert]

He can't, as a wizard can only have one Arcane Bond at at time, even if it comes from another spellcasting class.

[The Wraith]

Good question. In 3.x, if you had two or more classes that gave a familiar, you simply added your levels in order to get more powerful abilities from the familiar itself (let's say, a Wizard 3/Sorcerer 4 had the abilities of a 7th level wizard for the purpose of the familiar).
So, it could be wise to simply say that Arcane Bond works in the same way: no 'double bond', but simply 'add your class levels to find the power of your bond'.
(for the Bond Item, this would assume the maximum spell level you can 'swift-cast' through your bond, I think)

[Abraham spalding]

I quote:
"Arcane Bond (Su): At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as
a wizard equal to your sorcerer level. Your levels stack with
any wizard levels you posses when determining the powers
of your familiar or bonded object."

straight from the sorcerer arcane bloodline.

[Brandon Gillespie]

Abraham spalding wrote:

I quote:

"Arcane Bond (Su): At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as a wizard equal to your sorcerer level. Your levels stack with any wizard levels you posses when determining the powers of your familiar or bonded object."

straight from the sorcerer arcane bloodline.

I understand what you are saying and I did read the book but I cannot find anywhere that EXPLICITLY says that you can only have 1 bonded object. He is trying to interpret the above quote as he will gain another arcane bond and his levels will stack for both of them.

I think the passage should be changed to the following...

Arcane Bond (Su): At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as
a wizard equal to your sorcerer level. If you already have a familiar or bonded object then your levels stack with any wizard levels you posses when determining the powers of your familiar or bonded object. You may only ever have one familiar of bonded object at any time.

This is my ruling on it and he os still complaining that I am trying to keep him down. I just wanted to put this out there so maybe it can be clarified before the PFRPG Hardbound comes out.

[Neal Quigley]

Brandon Gillespie wrote:

I think the passage should be changed to the following...

Arcane Bond (Su): At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as
a wizard equal to your sorcerer level. If you already have a familiar or bonded object then your levels stack with any wizard levels you posses when determining the powers of your familiar or bonded object. You may only ever have one familiar of bonded object at any time.

This is my ruling on it and he os still complaining that I am trying to keep him down. I just wanted to put this out there so maybe it can be clarified before the PFRPG Hardbound comes out.

It doesn't really need to say that, it says that it works as the Wizards Arcane Bond, and that passage says "The first is a familiar, following the standard rules for such creatures (see Familiars) and the second is a bond with an object, using it to cast spells and enchanting it with even greater powers." The reading is clearly singular.

Neal