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With DDI now charging, is anyone actually paying for this?
Has the quality increased now the big $ is rolling in?
Just curious.


chopswil wrote:

With DDI now charging, is anyone actually paying for this?

Has the quality increased now the big $ is rolling in?
Just curious.

Hiya

I'm sure someone has. Just wait for the 'reviews' to come in. I'd take whatever WotC says with a grain of salt, however. Their marketing facts seem to be...odd. Like someone there says "I, Marketing Guy, predict DDI will sell at least 100 subscriptions in the first month!" ... Then, when they sell 3,000 subscriptions that month they will proudly claim "The DDI is doing FANTASTICALLY well! Sales of DDI subscriptions are roughly 300% more than predicted! Its amazing and proof that we must be doing something right! Out choice to finesse the DDI before charging for it was the right move. Good things come to those who wait!"

;)

Liberty's Edge

Not I. They're leaving us Apple fanboys out in the cold, for whatever reason.


Saint_Meerkat wrote:
Not I. They're leaving us Apple fanboys out in the cold, for whatever reason.

I thought all the initial stuff was web based and multi platform friendly. It's the other stuff that was to be Winders only.


Honestly, I want to subscribe, as I have enjoyed most of the online offerings so far, but I just can't find it in my heart to pay $8 a month for the online stuff that was basically free for the most part prior to D&Di.

I think I'll wait until they release a full and running version of the character builder.


I dont play 4e but I did have a look see at it. I think wotc buggled that. This was a time to bring out all the works to make it a must have for 4e player. As pinback said it's not worth 8 bucks a month. They really should have put more into this.


Oh one other thing I found this 4e char gen and thought some here my find it useful.


Yes, and I'm happy with it so far.

Unsurprised to see rhetorical fallacies still thrive here.


chopswil wrote:

With DDI now charging, is anyone actually paying for this?

Has the quality increased now the big $ is rolling in?
Just curious.

I think it will take a couple months to see if the quality increases or not. You won't be able to judge that just from October, or even November for that matter.

And.. frankly I didn't think the quality was bad to start with. These last few free issues of the magazines were actually quite superior to the first few retail modules.


CPEvilref wrote:


Unsurprised to see rhetorical fallacies still thrive here.

Its more than just this board, to be fair.

It will take some time.


I am paying, simply because I have been consistently using what I think to be quality material from the electronic magazines. I only took the 3 month option, just to see how it goes, but I'd say that right now, without anything beyond the few bonus tools, the compendium, and the magazines, it is well worth the price.

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im paying. i like dungeon, and dragon. i dont have all the issues ever, but i have alot. and i prefer reading an electronic document.

its much cheaper than the paper versions.

and you get all the bonus stuff.

yeah ddi, yeah wotc

i love 4e.


I am not going to subscribe. The only element of D&DI I want is Scales of War. I am sure it shall pop-up elsewhere.

I've never used Dragon, so I won't be missing anything there. None of the other tools of the present D&DI line-up seem too important to pay for as of now.

I shall keep playing 4E and buying the latest books, though.


I subscribed - largely because of how useful I have found Dragon thus far, as well as how handy the Compendium is. I'll let people know if Dungeon improves, as I know people haven't been as impressed with it thus far - though, personally, I've never had as much use for it, so hard to say how well I'll be able to judge its usability.

The Exchange

Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
chopswil wrote:

With DDI now charging, is anyone actually paying for this?

Has the quality increased now the big $ is rolling in?
Just curious.

This has been discussed some in this thread. Basically for me, my dislike of being tied to a computer screen for reading purposes (and yet I can do forums, games, etc for hours - go figure) drives my decisionmaking process. I do think WotC releasing an e-version was an important step, but I don't think it should have been the ONLY option.


Well, I have the choice of paying 9$ for a Pathfinde module pdf that I will have to update to 4e rules or 8$ for 3 4e edition adventures and a lot of dragons articles... I think the choice is pretty easy to make and I really can't understand how someone could find this price unreasonable...
I agree that the adventures are not as good as some of the best of pathfinder module, but unfortunely not every pathfinder module is a masterpiece...

Paizo Employee Franchise Manager

Matthew Koelbl wrote:
I subscribed - largely because of how useful I have found Dragon thus far, as well as how handy the Compendium is. I'll let people know if Dungeon improves, as I know people haven't been as impressed with it thus far - though, personally, I've never had as much use for it, so hard to say how well I'll be able to judge its usability.

The fact that potential customers can only find out the quality of the magazines from word-of-mouth is pretty sad. With print editions you could go to a newsstand and thumb through a copy to see what was inside, and then buy it if you thought it'd be worth a more thorough read. But now that on must pay to even see Dungeon and Dragon, I don't' see WotC's numbers down the road going up. Those unhappy with the quality of the preview months won't ever know if it's changed, and new players who join in a year or more will have to pay a month for something site unseen as they will have missed the previews. While all of us are at least somewhat active posters on D&D related messageboards and readers of online reviews of these types of products, we'll still get the word-of-mouth marketing, but a vast majority of D&D players and potential subscribers are not so hardcore and that's a serious gap in WotC's marketing plan. Then again, what's new in that department?


yoda8myhead wrote:
Those unhappy with the quality of the preview months won't ever know if it's changed, and new players who join in a year or more will have to pay a month for something site unseen as they will have missed the previews.

Those who join in a year or so will still have free access to the same previews we've all seen over the last five months. Everyone will still have access to the Compendium, but only subscribers will get the actual text of a power, item, or monster. Anyone who uses it a few times will probably be able to judge whether they would rather pay for the text or get the page number for free.


I've bought a 12-month subscription. I can't complain about the content in Dragon, and Dungeon can be picked through for individual encounters, or at the very least, new monsters. The compendium is very handy since it has details for books I don't own, like the swordmage, or the genasi and drow. I get fewer entertainment hours/dollar going to the movies or renting a DVD, so I think it is good value.

Too bad the CAN$ has sunk below par again though!

I've come to this conclusion when comparing Pathfinder modules vs Dragon adventures: Pathfinder is a joy to read, but the verbosity makes it harder to prepare and run as you wade through all the detail. WotC adventures tend to read very blandly, but actually running them is a breeze. I use both for different reasons.


I had been considering it. The price isn't too bad even for just the two mags. However, I'm converting Second Darkness to 4E, so I won't be getting any use out of dungeon (other than potentially pillaging some stat blocks) and I probably won't get much use out of Dragon either. I have a mac, so I won't be able to use many of the tools (if they ever get them up). I'd like access to the character creator, but again they haven't got that up either. Consequently, I'm passing for now.

Liberty's Edge

Dennis da Ogre wrote:
Saint_Meerkat wrote:
Not I. They're leaving us Apple fanboys out in the cold, for whatever reason.
I thought all the initial stuff was web based and multi platform friendly. It's the other stuff that was to be Winders only.

Yes, you're correct. Everything released so far has been multiplatform friendly. But the system requirements listed for the two yet to be released tools -- the ones I'm most interested in -- are PC only.

I'm all for anything that makes character creation easier. I think that is/was the hardest part for a newbie to 3/3.5/Path. Unless you have someone to help you with your first one, it's a daunting task.

I'm told character creation is easier in 4E, but I still won't pay for DDI without access to that app.


I bought a yearly subscription, mainly for the Dragon content and the DDI Compendium. The first gladiator article, which includes 11 pages of pure, glorious crunch (with lots of nifty new concepts) reinforces the belief that I made the right choice.


I want DDI but will not even consider subscribing until they give me the Character Generator.


Saint_Meerkat wrote:
Dennis da Ogre wrote:
Saint_Meerkat wrote:
Not I. They're leaving us Apple fanboys out in the cold, for whatever reason.
I thought all the initial stuff was web based and multi platform friendly. It's the other stuff that was to be Winders only.

Yes, you're correct. Everything released so far has been multiplatform friendly. But the system requirements listed for the two yet to be released tools -- the ones I'm most interested in -- are PC only.

I'm all for anything that makes character creation easier. I think that is/was the hardest part for a newbie to 3/3.5/Path. Unless you have someone to help you with your first one, it's a daunting task.

I'm told character creation is easier in 4E, but I still won't pay for DDI without access to that app.

The GSL expressly banning alternate character generators and outside tools combined with their Winders only stance was a huge frustration and double whammy for me. Probably one of the biggest reasons I have yet to seriously dip my feet into 4e. I really dig my third party tools and open gaming.


As someone DMing a 4e campaign, I'd really like to get my hands on their Dungeon adventures.

As someone who has a credit card, I really don't trust WotC's tech staff enough to turn my CC number over to them.


Shroomy wrote:
I bought a yearly subscription, mainly for the Dragon content and the DDI Compendium. The first gladiator article, which includes 11 pages of pure, glorious crunch (with lots of nifty new concepts) reinforces the belief that I made the right choice.

I concur.


Saint_Meerkat wrote:
Not I. They're leaving us Apple fanboys out in the cold, for whatever reason.

They've barely been able to post stuff properly. Multi-platform compatibility is likely well beyond WotC's current skillset.


CPEvilref wrote:
Unsurprised to see rhetorical fallacies still thrive here.

I figure if WotC can hold on to their fallacies, we can hold on to ours ;)

On a more serious note, I haven't subscribed yet. 4e hasn't yet completely won me over, and all I want out of the subscriptions is the magazines. The current model charges more money for content that's less useful (for me) than Paizo's Dungeon alone. Perhaps that'll change -- their product, their prices, or my requirements.

Time will tell.

Scarab Sages

Until DDI is fully functional I'm not going to bother with a subscription. 2 e-mags, a half-assed compendium and lame bonus tool set isn't worth $60 bucks. Maybe when DDI is fully up and the character Visualizer, Character Builder, Dungeon Builder and the D&D Game Table are running then it might be worth the price tag. Until then I will be stealing ideas from other sources and work then into my games.

Liberty's Edge

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Ubermench wrote:

Until DDI is fully functional I'm not going to bother with a subscription. 2 e-mags, a half-assed compendium and lame bonus tool set isn't worth $60 bucks. Maybe when DDI is fully up and the character Visualizer, Character Builder, Dungeon Builder and the D&D Game Table are running then it might be worth the price tag. Until then I will be stealing ideas from other sources and work then into my games.

Only problem.. Fot the Extra Stuff you want there you will be paying $120 for a year subscription.

They will have 2 Subscription options

$60 for what you are getting now.
$120 for the full Thing when it is done. (Or $15 by month)

Not only that you will be charged extr for things like new Electronic Minis for the online Table top.

Liberty's Edge

Saint_Meerkat wrote:
Not I. They're leaving us Apple fanboys out...

Exactly why I haven't visited the site since the charge started; in fact, I haven't thought of visiting until I saw this thread.

If they ever make DDI fully Mac-friendly, I'll probably subscribe.


I am. A full year subscription. I'm going to need it when grad school rolls around and I want to keep my campaign here going.

Scarab Sages

Dragnmoon wrote:
Ubermench wrote:

Until DDI is fully functional I'm not going to bother with a subscription. 2 e-mags, a half-assed compendium and lame bonus tool set isn't worth $60 bucks. Maybe when DDI is fully up and the character Visualizer, Character Builder, Dungeon Builder and the D&D Game Table are running then it might be worth the price tag. Until then I will be stealing ideas from other sources and work then into my games.

Only problem.. Fot the Extra Stuff you want there you will be paying $120 for a year subscription.

They will have 2 Subscription options

$60 for what you are getting now.
$120 for the full Thing when it is done. (Or $15 by month)

Not only that you will be charged extr for things like new Electronic Minis for the online Table top.

Are serious, there isn't any way I’m paying $120 on game stuff a year from any company.

Liberty's Edge

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Ubermench wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Ubermench wrote:

Until DDI is fully functional I'm not going to bother with a subscription. 2 e-mags, a half-assed compendium and lame bonus tool set isn't worth $60 bucks. Maybe when DDI is fully up and the character Visualizer, Character Builder, Dungeon Builder and the D&D Game Table are running then it might be worth the price tag. Until then I will be stealing ideas from other sources and work then into my games.

Only problem.. Fot the Extra Stuff you want there you will be paying $120 for a year subscription.

They will have 2 Subscription options

$60 for what you are getting now.
$120 for the full Thing when it is done. (Or $15 by month)

Not only that you will be charged extr for things like new Electronic Minis for the online Table top.

Are serious, there isn't any way I’m paying $120 on game stuff a year from any company.

That is exactly How I feel.

I don't think it is worth $10-$15 a Month.

Here are the Subscription Plans as of now.

Web-Content Only Subscription Package: the magazines, the Compendium, and the bonus tools(Encounter Builder, The Ability Generator, The Monster Builder)

12 Months = $59.40 ($4.95 per month), or $59.40/Year
3 Months = $19.95 ($6.65 per month), or $79.80/Year
1 Month = $7.95 ($7.95 per month), or $95.40/Year

Full DDI:* All web-Content, Character Builder, Character Visualizer, Dungeon Builder, D&D Game Table

12 Months = $119.40 ($9.95 per month), or $119.40/Year
3 Months = Unknown
1 Month = $14.95 ($14.95 per month, or $179.40/Year

* Does not include Extra charges like Extra Electronic Minis, which they have not talked about price yet.

I personally think they are way overcharging for the Full Suite. I Personally feel what they are currently charging should be the price of the Full Suite.


Ubermench wrote:
Are serious, there isn't any way I’m paying $120 on game stuff a year from any company.

The subscriber tags next to your name suggest otherwise. I think the bigger issue is the lack of trust people have in WotC's ability to deliver $120 worth of quality gaming material.


Ubermench wrote:
Are serious, there isn't any way I’m paying $120 on game stuff a year from any company.

You are a Pathfinder Chronicles Subscribe and a Pathfinder Companion Subscriber and you don`t want to pay $120 on game stuff a year from any company? Really?

Only for your Pathfinder Chronicles Subscribtion, assuming you start with Pathfinder Chronicles: Campaign Setting up to april products release 2009, you will pay 172.92$ (excluding any shipping cost). Of course this is not PDF or e-products.

I don`t mind people complaining about the quality of the DDI, but seriously you should at lest be a little honest and take the time to compare what you are paying right now for Paizo products...

I'm actually paying 8.99$ (for module) or 13.99$ (adventure path) every month for 1 PDF (because the shipping cost is simply ridiculous) or 22.98$ for 2 PDF when they release both in the same month...

So 14.99 is too much for the Full DDI??? For 2 complete e-magazines (including 3 adventures), a rules compendium and E-tools for character generation and map making....? If you are not playing or interested in 4e, of course it`s too much... but if you are.... it`s simply a matter of if you like the product or not.. but the price is more than fair...

Scarab Sages

etrigan wrote:
Ubermench wrote:
Are serious, there isn't any way I’m paying $120 on game stuff a year from any company.

You are a Pathfinder Chronicles Subscribe and a Pathfinder Companion Subscriber and you don`t want to pay $120 on game stuff a year from any company? Really?

Only for your Pathfinder Chronicles Subscribtion, assuming you start with Pathfinder Chronicles: Campaign Setting up to april products release 2009, you will pay 172.92$ (excluding any shipping cost). Of course this is not PDF or e-products.

I don`t mind people complaining about the quality of the DDI, but seriously you should at lest be a little honest and take the time to compare what you are paying right now for Paizo products...

I'm actually paying 8.99$ (for module) or 13.99$ (adventure path) every month for 1 PDF (because the shipping cost is simply ridiculous) or 22.98$ for 2 PDF when they release both in the same month...

So 14.99 is too much for the Full DDI??? For 2 complete e-magazines (including 3 adventures), a rules compendium and E-tools for character generation and map making....? If you are not playing or interested in 4e, of course it`s too much... but if you are.... it`s simply a matter of if you like the product or not.. but the price is more than fair...

The cost for the Pazio subscriptions are split by 5 people of my gaming group. To get the maximum benefit of the full DDI subscription each member of my gaming group will have to pay the $120 for their own accounts.


etrigan wrote:
Only for your Pathfinder Chronicles Subscribtion, assuming you start with Pathfinder Chronicles: Campaign Setting up to april products release 2009, you will pay 172.92$ (excluding any shipping cost). Of course this is not PDF or e-products.

The bigger difference is Paizo has people's trust. People know they deliver great product. Wizards? I'm not panning any single product but their history of delivering a stream of good content is not very good. Their 'preview' period from mid-late 07 until now was not very impressive either. I understand their quality has gone up in recent months which is good... but it's going to take some time for Wizard's to regain a lot of people's trust.


Dennis da Ogre wrote:
The bigger difference is Paizo has people's trust.

I think Dennis hit something important, right on the head (who woulda thunk it, from an ogre?)

With Paizo, there is a history of value for the money. I don't think that even the most ardent WOC fan could argue honestly that the product put out over the last year or so is not in some measure overpriced, over-promised and/or under-delivered.

Now, a year from now, that may change and DDi might well be a heck of a bargain and almost mandatory for 4e players. Simply, based on the manner that WOC has chosen to split the D&D community, they are going to have to take quite a while to play catch-up, as I see it.

Best of luck to them. For purely personal reasons I will not support them. I am sticking with Pathfinder and looking forward to reading Hackmaster 5.0

Dark Archive

Hey, for those that have DDI, is the Gladiator multiclass anything to rave about? I like the concept of the "multiclass only" classes, but I want to know how this one looks, and I can't pay eight bucks to buy food right now, much less buy D&D stuff.

Oh, and $120 isn't too bad for a year's worth of D&D stuff. I'm paying $20-30/month to Paizo (admittedly in month-to-month installments), not including extra books every few months or so. The big bite of it is having to cough up the dosh in one big bundle (I used to have that problem every time the old Dungeon/Dragon subscriptions came 'round).

Sovereign Court

I heard some good stuff about the gladiator article on ENWorld, but nothing specific. I am tempted to sign up for one month just for this article, but I'm kind of strapped for cash just like you. It does seem pretty crunch heavy for a Dragon article. It's pretty sneaky of them to release such a crunch heavy article in e-Dragon immediately after they started charging for it.

The Exchange

Yep. One year sub. The articles rock and I love the landscaped PDFs. Very very screen readable.

Scarab Sages

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

Are they going to have the dungeon adventures available for separate purchase?

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6

Not paying. The preview articles just didn't grab me, nor did the adventures. Not shocking, though, since I'm not converting to 4E.

Liberty's Edge

Dragnmoon wrote:
They will have 2 Subscription options

Actually, if you look at the announcement as well as follow-up statements, their plan is NOT to have 2 subscription options.

The current price is a temporary lower price for the incomplete DDI package.
While they are promoting a discussion of the subject on their forums, and they say they are considering various options, they currently intend to raise the price as the character builder, character visualizer, and virtual tabletop come on line.

Whether they change their plans, and how it will all work out either way, remains to be seen.

Liberty's Edge

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Samuel Weiss wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
They will have 2 Subscription options

Actually, if you look at the announcement as well as follow-up statements, their plan is NOT to have 2 subscription options.

The current price is a temporary lower price for the incomplete DDI package.
While they are promoting a discussion of the subject on their forums, and they say they are considering various options, they currently intend to raise the price as the character builder, character visualizer, and virtual tabletop come on line.

Whether they change their plans, and how it will all work out either way, remains to be seen.

that is soo not how i read it..and I think you are wrong.

many times they mention seperate Packages, and only charging more if you want the full package.

In fact they state you won't be charged more unless you choose to go for the full package when it is avaible.

Here what they said.

What happens to my year-long subscription when the price goes up?

The $4.95 / month price covers Web content only (Dragon and Dungeon Magazines, the D&D Compendium, and the Bonus Tools). We will be charging more for access to the Character Builder, Character Visualizer, Game Table, etc. Our previously announced pricing for the full package (including both Web content and client applications) is $9.95 if you sign up for a full year (going up to $14.95 if you pay one month at a time).

The details of how transitions from one subscription package to another will work will be announced later, but you can safely assume that a) we will honor the terms of the package you signed up for and b) you won’t be charged more unless you choose to pay for more services.


Dennis da Ogre wrote:
...but it's going to take some time for Wizard's to regain a lot of people's trust.

And it's going to be harder than it used to be.

I stopped buying Dungeon and Dragon for a long time. I started buying again (and ultimately subscribed) after looking at them on bookshelves. Now I can't do that without subscribing.

The fact is, I've been trying to make the move to 4/e -- but WotC has been consistently making that decision harder rather than easier.

Liberty's Edge

N'wah wrote:
Oh, and $120 isn't too bad for a year's worth of D&D stuff. I'm paying $20-30/month to Paizo (admittedly in month-to-month installments), not including extra books every few months or so. The big bite of it is having to cough up the dosh in one big bundle (I used to have that problem every time the old Dungeon/Dragon subscriptions came 'round).

the only difference is this: i can sell all my pathfinder stuff on eBay needs be (financial crisis or whatnot) and recoup some of my investment. $120 a year for online content is not recoupable...


N'wah wrote:
Oh, and $120 isn't too bad for a year's worth of D&D stuff. I'm paying $20-30/month to Paizo (admittedly in month-to-month installments), not including extra books every few months or so. The big bite of it is having to cough up the dosh in one big bundle...
It's not much for you, and others -- but it is for many. In fact, I think the single biggest error WotC is making is failing to understand the demographic. You have (IMO) two groups:
  • Young players, without credit cards of their own for online subscriptions and without the discretionary income necessary to afford lots of books (which are increasingly necessary)
  • Adult players, who have less time to play and are more likely to quit playing, given sufficient reason (or provocation)

I think their marketing platform has completely ignore these most basic characteristics of the customer base.

Liberty's Edge

Dragnmoon wrote:

that is soo not how i read it..and I think you are wrong.

many times they mention seperate Packages, and only charging more if you want the full package.

They mention them, but then make it clear their plan is still for the full package, and this is only a temporary price plan while they continue to work on the bit three of character builder, character visualizer, and virtual tabletop.

Dragnmoon wrote:
In fact they state you won't be charged more unless you choose to go for the full package when it is avaible.

They say they will not force you to upgrade as they add more materials.

They do not say they will continue the current package.

Dragnmoon wrote:

Here what they said.

. . .

That is right, that is what they said back around Gen Con (8/12) when they first announced their plans to start charging for the incomplete product.

Two weeks ago (10/13 and 10/15) they clarified their plans, stating:

"Our web-content subscription price is:

12 Months $4.95 per month
3 Months $6.65 per month
1 Month $7.95 per month

In the future, as we begin rolling out our client applications, those prices are subject to change."

Found here.

As well as:

"4. Will the web-only subscription package remain an option after the full package becomes available?

We haven’t decided the details of future pricing and packages yet. The one guarantee that we’re making at this stage is that we will honor the full term you sign up for now. If you buy 12 months of web content at $4.95 per month then you will get 12 months of web content at $4.95 per month, no matter what we decide to do with our pricing in the future."

Found here.

Also note this thread started (10/22) by one of their "volunteer community leads", which directly if people want to see the $5 limited subscription continued.

All of that rather completely supports what I said.
If you really expect the e-zine and compendium only subscription to continue, you should confirm it directly with WotC.

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