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If you get on the 'warned' list, a popup should occur when you submit a post of the blue 'Paizo Golem' with a warning that 'I'm watching you! Play nice, or I crush your post!'
See, up there in the left-hand corner? Doesn't it look like he's crushing a post even now?
I've always thought it looked like he was charging a Kamehameha attack. New spin-off OTD thread!
This entire thread causes me serious consternation.
Wow.
As I started this whole thread, I´m somewhat overwhelmed about the direction it has taken. It seems that I hit a nerve. Much has been said about the possible reasons for the late unpleasantness (now where do I have that term from again...?) plagueing these boards. Perhaps an overeagerness to make ones voice heard led to the current situation, but whatever the reason, the effect is felt sharply, and not only by me, it seems.
To point it out, I applaud paizos open playtest and the results it yields. It is the chance that never has been given to the gamer community to take part in forming the new game.
If you call 'em all, there are of course a few rotten apples in the mix. For me, these spoil much. I did reduce my participation in part due to time constraints, but in part due to the tone that seemed to increase here. I don´t think that my contributions have been meaningful at all, but if many others think and act the same, something is going to be lost.
This thread indicates that this may be true. What´s more, it is a place I found myself at home, and others seem to feel the same. It is of course paizos decision, and paizos alone what do do - if anything - about it, but I hope that the decisions go in the direction of keeping these boards nice. If my opinion sounded like I wanted to push paizo in a certain direction, I did not make myself understood like I wanted to.
I don´t buy the argument "hey, this is the internet, get over it". This amounts to "hey, I insist on being a rude (insert colorful expletive here), and I don´t care the hell if someone is offended by it. So, move on if you can´t stand it, and let me own this place." That is what this argument is about IMO - a cheap excuse for rude behaviour. Rude behaviour is something I find unneccessary and childish, and while I´m no angel myself in this regard, I try to constrain myself and expect as much from others.
Stefan
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Although I can see I'm probably disastrously naive in thinking that humour/comic-opera 'punishments'* could solve problems.
*Mikado, 'A more humane Mikado, never did in Japan exist....'
"He is the very model of a PostMonster General,
For posters who are animal, vegetable and mineral.He travels o'er the boards, plucking flames that they generate,
And hands them off to trolls, so they painfully incinerate!"
(...and if they do incinerate, I guess that would be truly great...)
The solution: add an Ignore Poster function.
Seriously. I stopped posting months ago because I was being cyber-stalked from one thread to another by a number of posters.
Heck, I don't even lurk in a thread when I see those specific posters enter a thread because I know the discourse is about to get ugly.
I've been on cheesy little personal forums who do it, so I know it is technically possible. I also know that once you can exclude those guys from your personal view, the overall discourse improves because you can't be baited anymore.
Best of luck to you guys.
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The solution: add an Ignore Poster function.
Seriously. I stopped posting months ago because I was being cyber-stalked from one thread to another by a number of posters.
Heck, I don't even lurk in a thread when I see those specific posters enter a thread because I know the discourse is about to get ugly.
I've been on cheesy little personal forums who do it, so I know it is technically possible. I also know that once you can exclude those guys from your personal view, the overall discourse improves because you can't be baited anymore.
Best of luck to you guys.
But we could all just be mature and use our own internal "Ignore Poster" button. And when I say all of us, I do mean all of us. Some of us do it already, some don't.
By the way, welcome back K. I hope you stick around this time.
This thread has taken an upturn, thanks to Gilbert and Sullivan.
So many possibilities.
"Make the punishment fit the crime..."
"He is a Pai-zo-an!"
It always amazes me the musical knowledge displayed by Paizonians. :)
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TomJohn, it seems to me that most of that stuff is completely unmoderateable and also, in any case, inevitable (and some of it, I would argue, isn't even bad). The Mods might be able to make people play nice to some extent (including by excluding those that don't) but people pushing their interests is human nature (and, in any case, what one sees as a flaw can have tendrils in all sorts of places). Last of all, people are just having discussions, but with tens or hundreds of others involved they're going to meander and return to places visited before. Indeed, that's not necessarily a bad thing given that it can draw more people in, unless you want everyone to have to read every thread...
TomJohn, you make some very good points, and many that I agree with, whether anything can be directly addressed or not.
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Josh / Stebehil / most other people on this thread seem to share my opinion.
When I joined Paizo (late '06, I believe), there were maybe a hundred regular posters on the boards. Things were civil, there were very few clashes about rules, and everything was bright and shiny.
As people have joined, with all the great new people have come a proportionate number of righteous a+#+$~*s- still the same percentage, but by virtue of the number of people, more jerks. Whether overt trolls (.Chatdemon Rich) or just highly intelligent, extremely opinionated jerks (our friend Sammy-boy), they are still a major nuisance to the rest of us.
And the worst part is that there is no way to get rid of them short of turning the Paizo messageboards into an exclusive club. I wish someone could just sit down with these people in realspace, and talk to them about why they need to stop making everyone else miserable. *sigh*...
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As people have joined, with all the great new people have come a proportionate number of righteous a&#%@@#s- still the same percentage, but by virtue of the number of people, more jerks. Whether overt trolls (.Chatdemon Rich) or just highly intelligent, extremely opinionated jerks (our friend Sammy-boy), they are still a major nuisance to the rest of us.
And here I thought I was flying under the radar... ;)
Sam
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As people have joined, with all the great new people have come a proportionate number of righteous a&#%@@#s- still the same percentage, but by virtue of the number of people, more jerks. Whether overt trolls (.Chatdemon Rich) or just highly intelligent, extremely opinionated jerks (our friend Sammy-boy), they are still a major nuisance to the rest of us.And here I thought I was flying under the radar... ;)
Sam
Wrong Sam, man, sorry. I was referring to:
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Wrong Sam, man, sorry. I was referring to:
** spoiler omitted **
I've never seen that guy act up, but then there are many forums here I don't visit often.
I figured you were probably talking about the guy that's on a crusade to fool everyone into thinking he's actually smart. He may be named Sam for all I know.
Sam
K, I could not agree more. It did not happen here, but on another forum, during the entire 4e/3.5 war. A thread was posted by an avid 3.5 supporter asking folks oppinions on 4e game experiences and comparisons. A few posters stated that they would not be going 4e because they had vast libraries of 3.5 and the conversion to 4e it not at all smooth. Three other posters started laying into them big time. 4e was more like a religion to them, they could not understand why someone would not convert. Mind you, htis was three months prior to the actual 4e release. It was violent. Anyway, long story -- short, I got involved and ever since that time; this one guy stalks me there. I cannot make a post without him popping up to attempt to argue. It doesnt matter what the subject is. Needless to say, I dont post there anymore. Few folks do anymore. The forum is slowly dying, left in the hands of the flamers. Sad really.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8
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I think Sebastian is funny and doesn't take himself too seriously, so personally I've no problem with his style of posts. Of course I've never seen the pre-Bella Sara Sebastian in action...
I was joking and Sebastian would know it if he bothered to look in here. ;-) I feel honoured to be on Sebastian's favoured enemies list and even petitioned to have my rank increased.
More seriously, do we really need to have a thread where we name names and make a list of obnoxious posters? We know who they are if we have seen them in action.
I apologize.As I have a brain and make full use of it, I'm aware of the difference between humor and not humor.
Your response above? Not humorous.
Hey Master... We miss you... :(
This is an interesting topic, took long enough to reach the end though...I'm not going to be melodramatic, but I am leaving these boards. I don't expect to be missed either.
First it was 4E, then it was the same 3 or 4 ignorant fools that can't keep their contempt for a dissenting opinion in check. I would have thought it would be obvious when the same poster gets multiple threads modded or locked. I won't name names, because this entire thread is about the same (again) three or 4 people.
To answer the OP, yes, it IS going to flaming hell. The mods are afraid (yes afraid) that heavier handed moderation will chase some of their precious fanbase away. I don't disagree, it is what it is.
I'm no angel, and have toed the line a time or two myself, but I'm tired of it. I'm abandoning this place. Good luck paizo, and I hope crusader of logic is consumed, slowly, by rabid fire ants.
To answer the OP, yes, it IS going to flaming hell. The mods are afraid (yes afraid) that heavier handed moderation will chase some of their precious fanbase away. I don't disagree, it is what it is.
For everyone else: deciding you're done with the boards and then creating sock puppet account after sock puppet account to explode at one poster with whom you disagree is a quick way to receive the ban hammer. The quoted poster above chose to do so and we, the frightened moderators, banned him.
This behavior is unacceptable and unwelcome on our boards. Regardless of how you feel about a poster, flag the posts you feel violate our TOS and let us handle it.
The flagging system, by the way, is the single most awesome thing Gary has ever created as it gives us a quick snapshot of how the boards are doing. Use it, love it, keep the boards civil.
I have thrown him into the Rancor pit, sir!
You guys do what ya have to. And ya the flag system was a great ideal.
Flag system, "BOOYAH!"
Thanks Gary!
