"Just go someplace else"


4th Edition

51 to 100 of 249 << first < prev | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | next > last >>
The Exchange

JollyRoger wrote:

Amen brother! I wish we could all just play nice and be happy. Honestly, in this case, everyone wins. Those who like 4E have 4E. Those who like 3.5 have 3.5 or Pathfinder. We all have a fun game to play. Everybody Wins! How often in life do we get to say that. Everybody Wins!

Seriously, some one please explain to me why we are *still* having this argument.

Because there are folks here that are so pissed off at WotC that they want us all to suffer. They don't want us to be happy playing the game of our own choice because they are not happy.


There are jackasses everywhere in the world. Doesn't ruin my fun.


Yep. And the jackasses love it when we get pulled into their arguments.

To paraphrase one of the great Murphy's Laws:

"Never argue with a troll ... people might not be able to tell the difference."

Liberty's Edge

crosswiredmind wrote:
JollyRoger wrote:

Amen brother! I wish we could all just play nice and be happy. Honestly, in this case, everyone wins. Those who like 4E have 4E. Those who like 3.5 have 3.5 or Pathfinder. We all have a fun game to play. Everybody Wins! How often in life do we get to say that. Everybody Wins!

Seriously, some one please explain to me why we are *still* having this argument.

Because there are folks here that are so pissed off at WotC that they want us all to suffer. They don't want us to be happy playing the game of our own choice because they are not happy.

I think you're right. Some folks feel completely invalidated if someone else is happy minding their own business, doing their own thing. I don't get it.

Let's all make a pact to rise above it. *Puts fist into center of group* Who's with me?

The Exchange

Kruelaid wrote:
There are jackasses everywhere in the world. Doesn't ruin my fun.

True, but when I meet a jackass in the real world I look down and tell them to knock it off.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8

JollyRoger wrote:
crosswiredmind wrote:
JollyRoger wrote:

Amen brother! I wish we could all just play nice and be happy. Honestly, in this case, everyone wins. Those who like 4E have 4E. Those who like 3.5 have 3.5 or Pathfinder. We all have a fun game to play. Everybody Wins! How often in life do we get to say that. Everybody Wins!

Seriously, some one please explain to me why we are *still* having this argument.

Because there are folks here that are so pissed off at WotC that they want us all to suffer. They don't want us to be happy playing the game of our own choice because they are not happy.

I think you're right. Some folks feel completely invalidated if someone else is happy minding their own business, doing their own thing. I don't get it.

Let's all make a pact to rise above it. *Puts fist into center of group* Who's with me?

I am. Go here and take the pledge. No, not the virginity pledge. This one.

Dark Archive

JollyRoger wrote:


Let's all make a pact to rise above it. *Puts fist into center of group* Who's with me?

*Puts fist into center*

I'm with you

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
crosswiredmind wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:

I have seen you many times say Anti 3e things..And i have seen posters say Anti Pathfinder things, so yes there are anti 3e posts on these boards, just not as many since the company that owns these boards is not supporting 4e.

I am not talking about posts - I am talking about rants, insults, and general hostility. I dislike 3e but I do not believe the system to be unworthy of play. In fact I completely understand why some folks would choose 3.5 over 4e. You don't see me posting my gripes in the 3e boards do you? No.

Just because Paizo does not publish materials for 4e does not mean they want their customers to crusade against it.

In general I am defending those that Have warranted gripes or opinions against 4e, and there are many, not those that have unwarranted ones or are rude about there warranted one.

So people have the right to criticize 4e, even rant about it if they rant in a polite way. they do not have the right to be rude or throwing hatred poo.

I have seen many of a people defend 4e rudely against those that were polite..

Like i said..it goes both ways.

Scarab Sages

Dragnmoon wrote:
crosswiredmind wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
And even if you don't want to Admit it, WotC is 4e and criticism or praise for them fits in the 4e forum.

And WotC is also 3.5 - why not post there?

Look - if people come here and crap on 4e and WotC then there will alway be people who will fire back. This is especially true when the complaints are clearly without merit.

WotC is no longer 3.5....They no longer print 3.5 or support it..

Much of the problem is you are firing back at opinions..Opinions are opinions, they are neither right or wrong. people don't like being criticized on their opinions especially if the person firing back is rude about it.

Let me make something clear, in no shape or form am I defending those that are rude or use poor etiquette on the forums, I am just saying it is not one sided.

With all due respect Dragonmoon, I have to disagree with one part of your post. Lets be clear here, opinions can, and often are wrong. Just because it is my opinion that people think I look good in a speedo, it does not make it true (if you knew me, you would shudder). Opinions are only worthwhile and valid if they can be supported.

That being said, many anti 4e opinions voiced on this board are unsupported crap. Those trolling posts contribute nothing, and result in justifiable anger among our 4e fans. However, I have personally seen well supported and reasoned criticisms jumped on and insulted simply because 'this is a place to discuss 4e, and if you don't like it leave'. 4ed supporters need to recognize that reasoned criticisms are valid, and help the discussion. If you drive away those willing to discuss the matter, all you are left with is the crap.

In summary, i agree with the complaints about anti 4e people on these boards, but i also think the rabidly pro 4e folks brought this on themselves. Better behavior on both sides is necessary.


JollyRoger wrote:


Let's all make a pact to rise above it. *Puts fist into center of group* Who's with me?

puts in his monkey paw

RISE ABOVE WE GOTTA RISE ABOVE!

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
underling wrote:


With all due respect Dragonmoon, I have to disagree with one part of your post. Lets be clear here, opinions can, and often are wrong. Just because it is my opinion that people think I look good in a speedo, it does not make it true (if you knew me, you would shudder). Opinions are only worthwhile and valid if they can be supported.

WHAT!!!.. My Opinions are never wrong!!! I don't need to support them you should except them at face value!!! ;-)

Edit: I should have been more clear and said supported opinions.. but even support can be more opinions.

Dark Archive

My method of dealing with this is the only way I can, by moderating *myself.*

I neither am, or wish to be, responsible for everyone elses tone.

The easiest way for me to do this is to click on the little name up there above the handsome jackal-headed egyptian god, and then look at the last 10 or so posts from myself. If they are offering rules stuff or storytelling advice (or are silly stuff in the Off-topic thread or PBP stuff), then I'm content that *I'm* not the problem.

If I were to look back at my last 10 posts and find out that I had posted not a single game-related post, but entirely boring argumentative crap, I would be more concerned. Perhaps even ashamed of myself for being part of the problem that is being complained about, and not above it.

I would recommend that anyone who *really* wants to 'elevate the level of discourse' in the 4E forums start a thread that *isn't* complaining about their fellow gamers and actually *has something to do with 4th edition.* New powers. New class ideas. New epic paths. Neat ways to use certain monsters. Neat new encounter-changing abilities that would be fun to wrap a monster around.

There's a thread that I, hardly a 4E fan, started about trying to brainstorm ideas about how to make Daily/Encounter/At Will powers for an Abjurer, Enchanter, Illusionist or Necromancer specialist Wizard, which has mostly fallen into obscurity. While my thread might not be of much interest, it would seem to this crazy irrational fascist hater that perhaps the 4E forum might be more useful for fans of 4E if it had more posts from them that were about the system, and not edition war nonsense.

If you don't want to get any of that edition war stuff on you, avoid stepping into those puddles, and maybe be daring and create some threads of your own that are productive and not 'attack threads' or complaints about other posters, which, by the by, is probably a sign that the code of conduct needs to be re-read.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8

Set wrote:

If I were to look back at my last 10 posts and find out that I had posted not a single game-related post, but entirely boring argumentative crap, I would be more concerned. Perhaps even ashamed of myself for being part of the problem that is being complained about, and not above it.

Does posting in this thread 10 times count? Damn.

The Exchange

Dragnmoon wrote:
bugleyman wrote:


I'd like to steal part of your previous post if you don't mind. This is my point. I used to feel comfortable here. I used to feel like I was a part of the Paizo community. In the past 48 hours I've been told, not once, but twice, and by two different people (one of whom I've never "seen" before a few months ago), that if I didn't bash 4E/WoTC, or at the very least stop defending them (irrespective of the merit of what was being said), that I should go post on some other message board. Stopping THAT was the purpose of my post. As Paizo has explicitly stated that they wish this board to be self-moderating, the only way I can see to do that is by asking everyone, 4E and Pathfinder fan alike, to call b%~&@&~& whenever and wherever that happens.

just a reminder of something I am sure you know... 2 people do not make a community..

Other then that your complaints against those 2 people is warranted.

Just for the record, I feel as if someone is saying that I told Bugly to leave and never come back. I told him to go back to the boards where Paizo's poster are considered a joke and have fun with his superiority complex there. I never told him not to post on these boards. I also never in my posts displayed a hatred for 4E on that thread. I turned his own phrase "You claim to love Pathfinder and Paizo. Do you think you're doing them any favors by making yourselves (and these boards) a punchline?" back on him and he got all offended. My posts were originally there because Bugly and some others had decided that anyone who took offense to the idiotic cartoon had no right to do so because they didn't feel any.

I just love how someone can smash someone else's opinions and feelings around and then act all hurt when someone points it out and turns it back on them.
Sure, now that the offender is offended we can all sit in a circle and sing cum-ba-ya or something. Poor Bugly.....
Hypocrisy runs amuck.


Set wrote:

My method of dealing with this is the only way I can, by moderating *myself.*

I neither am, or wish to be, responsible for everyone elses tone.

The easiest way for me to do this is to click on the little name up there above the handsome jackal-headed egyptian god, and then look at the last 10 or so posts from myself. If they are offering rules stuff or storytelling advice (or are silly stuff in the Off-topic thread or PBP stuff), then I'm content that *I'm* not the problem.

If I were to look back at my last 10 posts and find out that I had posted not a single game-related post, but entirely boring argumentative crap, I would be more concerned. Perhaps even ashamed of myself for being part of the problem that is being complained about, and not above it.

I would recommend that anyone who *really* wants to 'elevate the level of discourse' in the 4E forums start a thread that *isn't* complaining about their fellow gamers and actually *has something to do with 4th edition.* New powers. New class ideas. New epic paths. Neat ways to use certain monsters. Neat new encounter-changing abilities that would be fun to wrap a monster around.

There's a thread that I, hardly a 4E fan, started about trying to brainstorm ideas about how to make Daily/Encounter/At Will powers for an Abjurer, Enchanter, Illusionist or Necromancer specialist Wizard, which has mostly fallen into obscurity. While my thread might not be of much interest, it would seem to this crazy irrational fascist hater that perhaps the 4E forum might be more useful for fans of 4E if it had more posts from them that were about the system, and not edition war nonsense.

If you don't want to get any of that edition war stuff on you, avoid stepping into those puddles, and maybe be daring and create some threads of your own that are productive and not 'attack threads' or complaints about other posters, which, by the by, is probably a sign that the code of conduct needs to be re-read.

The really tricky part is how to do this?

If it was easy we'd have mostly done it by now instead of getting drawn into endless edition wars.

The real trick is figuring out what kind of content interests the fan base enough to engage them.

I only have D&D experience on this board but back when most of my posting was on the 3.5 board popular subjects that I can remember included:

Rules Lawyer arguments. These could go on for pages and people would cite a wide number of sources. These are popular here as well but the kind of minutea that was the hall mark of a good 3.5 rule lawyer debate does not really exist in 4E, not yet at least.

Other popular past times included making up the odd monster - that we could do in 4E.

debating alignments ad nasium.

Complaining about elves (my memory might be slightly rose tinged).

Comparing sorcerers to wizards.

discussing builds - which I suppose could be done here.

telling new posters that their will never EVER be a hard cover version of Age of Worms or Savage Tide and to stop asking already.

I was always a big fan of threads on game theory and such but there were never very many.

Oh and the ever popular 'my DM/Player' is being an a!~##~# and/or has made a ludicrous ruling/build. What should I do?


Fake Healer wrote:


Just for the record, I feel as if someone is saying that I told Bugly to leave and never come back. I told him to go back to the boards where Paizo's poster are considered a joke and have fun with his superiority complex there. I never told him not to post on these boards. I also never in my posts displayed a hatred for 4E on that thread. I turned his own phrase "You claim to love Pathfinder and Paizo. Do you think you're doing them any favors by making yourselves (and these boards) a punchline?" back on him and he got all offended. My posts were originally there because Bugly and some others had decided that anyone who took offense to the idiotic cartoon had no right to do so because they didn't feel any.
I just love how someone can smash someone else's opinions and feelings around and then act all hurt when someone points it out and turns it back on them.
Sure, now that the offender is offended we can all sit in a circle and sing cum-ba-ya or something. Poor Bugly.....
Hypocrisy runs amuck.

Darn. I thought your ill-advised foray into grammar Nazism blowing up in your face in the last thread meant you were going to quit following me about for a little bit.

Pretty please?

Edit: I'm perfectly happy with what I said and the context in which I said it. Why not just link the thread in question? If you're bitter about getting thrashed, let's continue over there, shall we?

Dark Archive

crosswiredmind wrote:


But why come here if it was WotC that pissed people off? Since they can't kick WotC they come here to kick the nearest 4e player? WTF?

Because you cant disagree with 4e on WoTC boards? So you cant let your dipleasure be known there?


And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?
Oh, and smurf.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than a five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

Actually there have not been many flames in this thread.

it has been very Civil... Except for the OPs recent comment and maybe the person he was responding to...but that was obscure.....

Dark Archive

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

Oh, and smurf.

I second that.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

I second that.

I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

Dark Archive

Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

Oh, and smurf.
I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the smurf! You cant delete the smurf!

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the ! You cant delete the !

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!

I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everything you say!

Dark Archive

Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the ! You cant delete the !

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!
I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everything you say!

Just because you don't smurf it, doesn't mean it's not smurf. :P lol

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the ! You cant delete the !

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!
I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everything you say!
Just because you don't it, doesn't mean it's not . :P lol

That depends on your point of view of the reality you are currently in.

In my reality my point of view is that deleting that will not be said cancels out what was said, and since I am in the dominant reality... I WIN!!!!!


<relieved to have a sensible smurfy arguement to participate in for once>

Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

Oh, and smurf.
I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the ! You cant delete the !

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!
I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everything you say!
Just because you don't it, doesn't mean it's not . :P lol

That depends on your point of view of the reality you are currently in.

In my reality my point of view is that deleting that will not be said cancels out what was said, and since I am in the dominant reality... I WIN!!!!!

Ah. You admit that you Won- and that you lost then.

These are the Paizo Boards. Erik is a Doctor Who Fan. In The Five Doctors, there is The Game of Rassilon where 'the winner shall lose and the loser shall win'.
Paizo boards. Game of Rassilon Rules.
You won. So you lost.
And you get to spend the next few hundred millenia as a stone carving on the side of Rassilon's tomb, adjacent to Cardinal Borusa.

Dark Archive

Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the ! You cant delete the !

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!
I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everything you say!
Just because you don't it, doesn't mean it's not . :P lol

That depends on your point of view of the reality you are currently in.

In my reality my point of view is that deleting that will not be said cancels out what was said, and since I am in the inferior reality... I LOSE!!!!!

HA! Take that!

Edit: Smurf.


Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the ! You cant delete the !

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!
I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everything you say!
Just because you don't it, doesn't mean it's not . :P lol

That depends on your point of view of the reality you are currently in.

In my reality my point of view is that deleting that will not be said cancels out what was said, and since I am in the inferior reality... I LOSE!!!!!

HA! Take that!

Edit: Smurf.

Nooooo. Now he wins.

Didn't you just see my post?

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

<relieved to have a sensible arguement to participate in for once>

Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

Oh, and.
I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the ! You cant delete the !

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!
I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everything you say!
Just because you don't it, doesn't mean it's not . :P lol

That depends on your point of view of the reality you are currently in.

In my reality my point of view is that deleting that will not be said cancels out what was said, and since I am in the dominant reality... I WIN!!!!!

Ah. You admit that you Won- and that you lost then.

These are the Paizo Boards. Erik is a Doctor Who Fan. in The Five Dcotors, there is The Game of Rassilon where 'the winner shall lose and the loser shall win'.
Paizo boards. Game of Rassilon Rules.
You won. So you lost.
And you get to spend the next few hundred millenia as a stone carving on the side of Rassilon's tomb, adjacent to Cardinal Borusa.

Because you can't spell Doctor your Argument is now and will always be irrelevant..

And Yes...My Cat said so!

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the ! You cant delete the !

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!
I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everything you say!
Just because you don't it, doesn't mean it's not . :P lol

That depends on your point of view of the reality you are currently in.

In my reality my point of view is that deleting that will not be said cancels out what was said, and since I am in the inferior reality... I LOSE!!!!!

HA! Take that!

I block that that and aim it directly at Charles!

Dark Archive

Charles Evans 25 wrote:


Nooooo. Now he wins.
Didn't you just see my post?

Ah well. Smurf or no smurf, a game is a game IMO. I declare smurf, therefore i win. lol

geez this wind is terrible, and i'm clear up in ohio, by lake erie.. ike must have done a number on texas.. (i've been at work nearly all weekend, havent seen much news)


Dragnmoon wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

<relieved to have a sensible smurfy arguement to participate in for once>

Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And this thread took less than five of hours to descend into flaming rubble; is anyone keeping a book on these?

Oh, and smurf.
I second that.
I cancel out your seconding by disagreeing!!!... So there!!!

You deleted the smurf! You cant delete the smurf!

Ha! I put it back.. so.. i cancel your cancellation by agreeing to that which was disagreed!
I will delete the thing you said not to delete all day if I want to, and therefore by way of deletion, canceling everysmurf you say!
Just because you don't it, doesn't mean it's not . :P lol

That depends on your point of view of the reality you are currently in.

In my reality my point of view is that deleting that will not be said cancels out what was said, and since I am in the dominant reality... I WIN!!!!!

Ah. You admit that you Won- and that you lost then.

These are the Paizo Boards. Erik is a Doctor Who Fan. in The Five Doctors, there is The Game of Rassilon where 'the winner shall lose and the loser shall win'.
Paizo boards. Game of Rassilon Rules.
You won. So you lost.
And you get to spend the next few hundred millenia as a stone carving on the side of Rassilon's tomb, adjacent to Cardinal Borusa.

Because you can't spell Doctor your Argument is now and will always be smurfelevant..

And Yes...My Cat said so!

Ohhh, I love time travel.


Ohhh, corrected my spelling, by the way, thank you. And smurf.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Ohhh, corrected my spelling, by the way, thank you.

It was more the cat then me..you can thank the cat at your own convenience.

Edit: Off to bed... Night y'all!


crosswiredmind wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Wicht wrote:
Both responses are a churlish.

I had to look up that word..;-)

I agree the call for to go somewhere else is unwarranted.

That said the flying hatred poo has not been one sided.

Does that even matter? This is the 4e board. Do you expect the people here to welcome all of the poop being flung at them just because they play 4e?

If you come here to fling poo at 4e then you should not be shocked when that poo is flung back at you.

This,

If it was just a matter if ignoring this, don't you think we would do it? If we ignore this, more or less there is no 4th edition boards. You have posters hiding behind politeness, hiding behind opinions, hiding behind board ettiquete as a reason to troll, crap and jack threads.

If you politely post something that is wrong, you are still wrong, and in addittion you are being a nusance. Politeness is not a criteria for valid criticism. People are compleigning that 'polite' threads are getting angry criticism, lets look at what some of those polite threads have said, 4th is video game, 4th precludes or interferes with roleplay, 4th is a money grab, etc, etc. It doesn't matter if it polite and to some extent it doesn't matter if its true BECAUSE ITS BEEN DONE TO DEATH THE G@+&~%N ZEBRA DEAD JIM,

People hide behind opinions, its great to read the same in my opinion 4th edition sucks donkey dick over and over again, and then when you attempt to reason or portray contrary opinions you get s+&# on for 'silencing the critique' quite frankly opinion or not, you have to have some basis for your posts, if your basis is rehashing tired old edition war crap and you get an angry responce how's fault is that.

Finally we have people who are like, these are discussion boards while bringing up the same crap over and over again. This is a form of spam even if the original discussion was valid,factual and on key. Its great to say if we all could ignore it, we could all be happy and satisfied and on our merry way, but quite frankly if ignored all the crap on the 4th edition forum here at paizo, I WOULDN"T READ ANY OF IT, ITS ALL CRAP and THATS THE PROBLEM. Call me a hypocrit if you want for not being willing to flush it all away, but I really really enjoyed posting about my game of choice here for a good year, and now I don't feel that I can do that, because the top posts are always some bs like this. Waht more evidence do you need, a smurf invasion, cause we got one here, as the last defenses of the board fall under the unrelenting pile of crap that is the 4th edition boards ,and leave the 4th edition boards as gangrenous infected pus waiting to be amputated.

Well there you go, my opinion, I even Think its true, but really, its too late, the infection has gone too far. Paizo has been deleted from my bookmarks and I visit the site less and less, as less and less interests me. Soon (like other's I'm afraid) I'll not come back to paizo because of the assoiation of this s$@# with them. Oh well, I hear on RPG.net and Enworld and other places people can actually talk about 4th edition and not this tired old s*!+.

L

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

The one question I've always been thinking but never really said, trying to keep out of the 4e flamewars altogether is: Why is there even a 4e board here? If Paizo's not publishing anything for the system, and Necromancer Games seems to be defunct unless or until the GSL and/or the finished version of Pathfinder even comes out, why is there even a 4e section here, period?

Dark Archive

Logos wrote:
stuff

:(

That smurfs me out.. too bad. It's a shame people just can't look past this junk.. different people play different systems, have different tastes, and have different play styles. That's all there really is to it.
"Take it or leave it. One way or another, get over it," my grandfather always said. I have yet to understand the 4E 'hatred' going around. If you don't like it, don't play it. That's it. No reason for anything further than that.

That said, good night, i must close up shop (@work still)..


Logos:
Whilst I may occasionally smurf for comedic value, or in embarassment at an error I have made, I only repeatedly smurf when a thread has gone waaaaay off topic and descended into angry arguements and/or finger jabbing; I smurf in the forlorn hope that posters will take the hint of how ridiculous what is going on is, and stop nerdraging at one another. It seldom does that, but at least it sometimes stops the flamewars for a couple of days.
The recent 'set of 4E' Cartoon has provoked a fresh wave of outrage by some who feel baited by the depictions that they apparently think (whether rightly or wrongly) that are being made of them, and resulted in the post of the second, much less salubrious, thread regarding the topic (which I perhaps vainly hope, had it not been the weekend and the Director of Marketing currently fighting off pneumonia, would not have made it beyond the first page).
I think that the interference occurs less often in threads discussing 'technical' subjects pertaining to 4E, as opposed to anything in which opinion can be invoked. Unfortunately (again) there seems to be a lot of opinion around on the subject of 4E these days.
You may or may not be relieved to read that I have just about had it with trying to break up slanging matches right now. I have other things I should be doing instead of waving my hands at the screen in frustration as yet another flamewar breaks out.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8

I stay out of discussions of 4e generally because I'm not interested in that version of the game. I get involved only when people begin calling for moderation of these boards as I'd rather not have a nanny.

I'm a little annoyed at Bugleyman's suggestion that those of us who stay out of these discussions are condoning 4e-bashing and find it amusing that it is followed so closely by Logos' suggestion that those who attempt to threadjack these discussions are participating in making this board unfriendly for fans of 4th edition.

When a thread gets jacked, poodled, or $murfed it's a way of saying "Break it up. Move on now.". It is not a matter of taking sides. In may not be funny to those who are practicing being offended but it beats the hell out of having a moderated board.


Kvantum wrote:
The one question I've always been thinking but never really said, trying to keep out of the 4e flamewars altogether is: Why is there even a 4e board here? If Paizo's not publishing anything for the system, and Necromancer Games seems to be defunct unless or until the GSL and/or the finished version of Pathfinder even comes out, why is there even a 4e section here, period?

Probably for a couple of reasons.

One is that Paizo does sell 4E product so having a board for fans to discuss the game might help their bottom line.

They also make excellent 3rd edition product that many 4E fans choose to purchase and convert. Having a forum that supports that potentially increases their sales of this product.

The Exchange

crosswiredmind wrote:

The fact that it is two sided is not a good excuse for bad behavior. This is the only board at Paizo that has this level conflict. Are there anti-Pathfinder rants on that board? Are there anti-3e rants on that board? No and no.

So why are anti-4e tolerated here?

Ha! You really haven't been to the PF play test forums lately, have you?

There does seem an element of intolerance on both sides, as far as I can see (as a relatively disinterested party who isn't terribly impressed with either Pathfinder or 4e, but who will probably end up playing 4e because my players want to). There is an element of defensiveness from the 4e-philes, probably due to the past here when WotC's name was mud and anti-4e hysteria was high. And some of the 4e-phobes are not exactly tactful.

But I think Bugly's suggestion that it is all a problem for the -phobes is wide of the mark. Many people maight not fancy 4e that much, but they are stil curious about it. Yet I've seen pro-4e people attack, for example, others who asked why they were on a fundamentally non-4e board (Paizo is putting out a rival product, in case you haven't noticed) without deigning to provide an actual reply. Sure, Paizo products are good and can be converted, and Paizo sells 4e stuff. But it doesn't take long to point that out, and it doesn't require hostility.

My experience of this community is that it is welcoming up to a point, but because it isn't explicitly moderated no one much is going to step in and save you if you start something. It requires a bit of self-moderation, which I admit isn't always easy. And if a 4e-phobe is genuinely trolling, there is the classic riposte - you don't feed it.


We've been here before, and quite recently at that.

It took the temp-banning of a past regular poster (whom as far as I can tell has not returned) and the near-banning of another (who probably deserved it as much) to get things back to a normal level of conversation.

Some here, sadly, do not seem to take past lessons to heart.

A shame, really.

Good luck to you all.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Jason Beardsley wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:


Nooooo. Now he wins.
Didn't you just see my post?
geez this wind is terrible, and i'm clear up in ohio, by lake erie.. ike must have done a number on texas.. (i've been at work nearly all weekend, havent seen much news)

We had Hurricane force winds here in columbus. Stil w/o power (posting from work where, of course, we have power)

Oh, and

Simply
Must
Urgently
Refrain
From posting.


Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
Yet I've seen pro-4e people attack, for example, others who asked why they were on a fundamentally non-4e board (Paizo is putting out a rival product, in case you haven't noticed) without deigning to provide an actual reply. Sure, Paizo products are good and can be converted, and Paizo sells 4e stuff. But it doesn't take long to point that out, and it doesn't require hostility.

I don't think anyone should be expected to have to justify why they are here. And it is pretty offensive to ask them to.

The Exchange

But a politely-asked question (and I'm sure you know the one I am talking about, since you answered it - the asker bent over backwards to say he wasn't trying to be difficult and was simply curious as to the reasons) raised a storm from pro-4e people. It is difficult to take the moral high ground when you attack all-comers.

And "I'm offended" is a great way of avoiding answering questions. If you don't want to promote understanding, get offended by a poster who is clearly trying not to offend, and become aggressive, you can hardly complain about being written off. This board is not the preserve of individual cliques but for the whole community. Or is this really about wanting everyone else to "just go someplace else"?

EDIT: And by the way, I'm not suggesting that anti-4e'er's don't troll the 4e section, because they do (though much less than they used to). But it is pretty clear that there is a lot of bad feeling, and behaviour, on both sides.


Aubrey the Malformed wrote:

But a politely-asked question (and I'm sure you know the one I am talking about, since you answered it - the asker bent over backwards to say he wasn't trying to be difficult and was simply curious as to the reasons) raised a storm from pro-4e people. It is difficult to take the moral high ground when you attack all-comers.

And "I'm offended" is a great way of avoiding answering questions. If you don't want to promote understanding, get offended by a poster who is clearly trying not to offend, and become aggressive, you can hardly complain about being written off. This board is not the preserve of individual cliques but for the whole community. Or is this really about wanting everyone else to "just go someplace else"?

EDIT: And by the way, I'm not suggesting that anti-4e'er's don't troll the 4e section, because they do (though much less than they used to). But it is pretty clear that there is a lot of bad feeling, and beahaviour, on both sides.

What does the reason someone visits these boards have to do with anything except for that person individual. Frankly it isn't anyone else's business why the individual is visiting. For people to assume they have a right to know why someone else is visiting is absurd, no matter how politely they state the query.

The Exchange

You are being extremely precious, if you don't mind me saying. No one was asking about your sex life. And if it is such a big deal, why did you answer the question (which was a perfectly satisfactory answer, by the way - the general point isn't aimed specifically at you)? And making a big deal of it betrays a continued sense of defensiveness.


Kruelaid wrote:
There are jackasses everywhere in the world. Doesn't ruin my fun.
crosswiredmind wrote:
True, but when I meet a jackass in the real world I look down and tell them to knock it off.

Noble.

Personally, due to the predominance of Jackassery in the world in which I live I have decided to choose my battles.

And I won't get offended if anyone asks me why I'm here.

<cough> presman <cough>

The Exchange

Um, you aren't helping much, Kruely.


Bear wrote:
Good luck to you all.

Some people never learn...

1 to 50 of 249 << first < prev | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | next > last >>
Community / Forums / Gamer Life / Gaming / D&D / 4th Edition / "Just go someplace else" All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.