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Aberzombie wrote:


If, by working democracy, you mean a political climate where many who oppose the ruling party are threatened, beaten, thrown in jail, or perhaps killed, then yeah, it works like a charm.

Actually, in Iran as with China, the power is balanced between several groups with different policy approaches. These groups do not agree with each, and they don't throw each other in jail when the others oppose them.

The problem is that you paint them all with the same brush, and don't realize that there are competing interests there. Were you to educate yourself on the workings of foreign governments you would be quite surprised at how much some of them have in common with your own country.

Are people thrown in jail for significant dissent when they are not protected by one of the interests? Sometimes. Won't deny that. But then it wasn't too long ago the same thing happened in America.

-Kruelaid

[BTW, this is the account I use for a shitload of pbp NPCs. Not trying to hide or nothin'.]


I don't know who I am voting for yet. But as a former military guy and therefore usually voting Republican I have to slam the Democrats.

Since we are all Fantasy/SciFi buffs, don't the Democrats seem to be re-enacting a scene from George Orwell's 1984? Remember the week they dedicate to celebrating their allies. Then mid-week, they declare them the enemy and they love their old enemies. Last week Clinton and Obama are enemies and this week they are all chummy. I think it is funny how politics are similar to how George saw it.


Dramatis Personae wrote:
Are people thrown in jail for significant dissent when they are not protected by one of the interests? Sometimes. Won't deny that. But then it wasn't too long ago the same thing happened in America.

I would like to learn more about the oppression in america, could you site some specific examples of this for me to read up on.


Sturmvogel wrote:


The last election saw a vast change in majority from Republicans to Democrats, partially based on a promise for a time table on the gradual withdraw of troops from Iraq. Two years later, there's still no plan, and there's still no time table. Just a lot of b*#%*ing and moaning from the same representatives that were elected. So, what exactly will change with a Democrat as president? Or another Republican for that matter?

Actually, it can matter a whole hell of a lot. Changing a few positions might not do it, you really have to get key positions in enough numbers to make the difference. What you forget is that the US government is designed to pit interests against each other, which means that, in an evenly polarized political climate, it is designed to stalemate. And that's what we've largely gotten.

Now, it might be that more aggressive Democratic Party leadership in the House and Senate could force more issues. I happen to agree with that assessment and think it's time at least for Harry Reid to go in favor of someone a bit more feisty. But the core issue is the same. Without the right numbers and without the right positions, the government can be held in near constant stalemate on major issues.


Heathansson wrote:
So, who's voting for Obama?

*rhand*

Spoiler:
Was a State delegate for him even.


Duncan & Dragons wrote:
Last week Clinton and Obama are enemies and this week they are all chummy. I think it is funny how politics are similar to how George saw it.

Sadly it is not nearly as organized. I remember watching some of the "news" programs after Obama clinched the nomination and hearing folks like Keith "Doberman" (Obama fanboy) keep ragging on Hillary. I could just imagine people in the Obama camp saying to themselves about Doberman, "Please, stop 'helping'."

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Garydee wrote:

Can you make one statement that doesn't involve a silly stereotype of conservatives?

If there's smoke....

Sorry if I don't have a lot of respect for the right-wing. They think they know what's right for everyone. I'm sure that they see us lefties with their own stereotypes; I couldn't care less. You had already judged me as a fool after reading my first sentence; so why would I try to appeal to you?

Do you think America is better now than it was pre 9/11? Has this administration left a great legacy behind that we can all be proud of? Maybe I'd be a little less flip towards that philosophy if there wasn't so much blood on our hands. Hey, I didn't vote for Bush either time.

There is a lot that the current conservative movement has to answer for. It's time for those with my philosophy to have the chance to screw things up. Or to maybe, repair the damage.

There's nothing you can tell me to change my feelings about this, and I've no illusion that I can bring you to my way of thinking. Still, it puzzles me why people would still defend our actions for the past few years. Can't we just chalk it up to idiocy?


Bill Dunn wrote:
Sturmvogel wrote:


The last election saw a vast change in majority from Republicans to Democrats, partially based on a promise for a time table on the gradual withdraw of troops from Iraq. Two years later, there's still no plan, and there's still no time table. Just a lot of b*#%*ing and moaning from the same representatives that were elected. So, what exactly will change with a Democrat as president? Or another Republican for that matter?

Actually, it can matter a whole hell of a lot. Changing a few positions might not do it, you really have to get key positions in enough numbers to make the difference. What you forget is that the US government is designed to pit interests against each other, which means that, in an evenly polarized political climate, it is designed to stalemate. And that's what we've largely gotten.

Now, it might be that more aggressive Democratic Party leadership in the House and Senate could force more issues. I happen to agree with that assessment and think it's time at least for Harry Reid to go in favor of someone a bit more feisty. But the core issue is the same. Without the right numbers and without the right positions, the government can be held in near constant stalemate on major issues.

No argument from me there. The point I wanted to bring up was that voting based on promises of change are misleading at best. Politicians use public support and outrage to their advantage.

"If I'm elected, I will strongly support the movement for withdrawal of our troops out of Iraq..." would be a much more honest approach. But that wasn't the exact message that was sent out to the voters.

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Sturmvogel wrote:
The last election saw a vast change in majority from Republicans to Democrats, partially based on a promise for a time table on the gradual withdraw of troops from Iraq. Two years later, there's still no plan, and there's still no time table. Just a lot of b@*~~ing and moaning from the same representatives that were elected. So, what exactly will change with a Democrat as president? Or another Republican for that matter?

And yet how much do the Dems outnumber the Pubs in the Senate? It's like a one vote majority. And you need 2/3 to override a veto. And Bush is going to veto anything and everything that does not go along with his Master Plan. Good Lord, he as a President labeled most of the Middle East as 'evil'. Not exactly a recipe for world peace.

A Democratic President would not veto most of the legislation that the slightly-more Democratic Senate would try to push through. Then there would be no need for the dreaded earmarks. Have you seen some of the programs that Bush has vetoed? Talk about Draconian. So yeah, I think Obama could and would change things.

And I do think we are somewhat defined by our political views. I think that we need more than 2 major parties in this country, but I doubt if we will ever see that happen in our lifetimes.

Scarab Sages

dmchucky69 wrote:

Because W has done such a great job so far; why stop now? And I'm the crazy one? Now that does make me laugh.

Oh, believe me, I'm rather displeased with the current President Bush, but for mostly different reasons than what you believe about him. As far as I'm concerned, with him the Republican party has their own version of Jimmy Carter.


dmchucky69 wrote:
Garydee wrote:

Can you make one statement that doesn't involve a silly stereotype of conservatives?

If there's smoke....

Sorry if I don't have a lot of respect for the right-wing. They think they know what's right for everyone. I'm sure that they see us lefties with their own stereotypes; I couldn't care less. You had already judged me as a fool after reading my first sentence; so why would I try to appeal to you?

Do you think America is better now than it was pre 9/11? Has this administration left a great legacy behind that we can all be proud of? Maybe I'd be a little less flip towards that philosophy if there wasn't so much blood on our hands. Hey, I didn't vote for Bush either time.

There is a lot that the current conservative movement has to answer for. It's time for those with my philosophy to have the chance to screw things up. Or to maybe, repair the damage.

There's nothing you can tell me to change my feelings about this, and I've no illusion that I can bring you to my way of thinking. Still, it puzzles me why people would still defend our actions for the past few years. Can't we just chalk it up to idiocy?

LOL! Wow, you need some serious help.

Scarab Sages

Dramatis Personae wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
...which is probably about as close as you can get to a true democracy.

America is as close as you can get to a true democracy? That's just not true.

-Kruelaid

Once again, I've misspoken. I probably should have said ideal democracy - which some political philosophers define as everyone getting an equal say all the time. Instead, we practice as a representative republic.

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And with all the vitriol that I've been spewing, I need to take a break from this thread. I have no doubt that everyone here knows how I feel. No need to keep spiraling the same arguments over and over.

Those of you that disagree with me will continue to do so. Those that agree (and I do hope that there are some of you out there) will continue to fight the good fight with me. I put my money where my mouth is, I have and will continue to support Barrack Obama to the bitter end. By the way, he is NOT muslim (not that there is anything wrong with being one), he is NOT the AntiChrist (as one of my Arkansas college classmates suggested), and he is NOT racist against whites or anyone else for that matter. (Ah, the politics of fear of the right wing).

I wish you all peace and an end to violence everywhere but in your games and horror movies.

I'm retiring back to the gaming threads and music threads (check out the Mona and Metal thread; it's the first that I've ever started here at Paizo).

Peace out.

Liberty's Edge

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Garydee wrote:
dmchucky69 wrote:
Garydee wrote:

Can you make one statement that doesn't involve a silly stereotype of conservatives?

If there's smoke....

Sorry if I don't have a lot of respect for the right-wing. They think they know what's right for everyone. I'm sure that they see us lefties with their own stereotypes; I couldn't care less. You had already judged me as a fool after reading my first sentence; so why would I try to appeal to you?

Do you think America is better now than it was pre 9/11? Has this administration left a great legacy behind that we can all be proud of? Maybe I'd be a little less flip towards that philosophy if there wasn't so much blood on our hands. Hey, I didn't vote for Bush either time.

There is a lot that the current conservative movement has to answer for. It's time for those with my philosophy to have the chance to screw things up. Or to maybe, repair the damage.

There's nothing you can tell me to change my feelings about this, and I've no illusion that I can bring you to my way of thinking. Still, it puzzles me why people would still defend our actions for the past few years. Can't we just chalk it up to idiocy?

LOL! Wow, you need some serious help.

LOL! As do you. Peace out.


dmchucky69 wrote:
Garydee wrote:
dmchucky69 wrote:
Garydee wrote:

Can you make one statement that doesn't involve a silly stereotype of conservatives?

If there's smoke....

Sorry if I don't have a lot of respect for the right-wing. They think they know what's right for everyone. I'm sure that they see us lefties with their own stereotypes; I couldn't care less. You had already judged me as a fool after reading my first sentence; so why would I try to appeal to you?

Do you think America is better now than it was pre 9/11? Has this administration left a great legacy behind that we can all be proud of? Maybe I'd be a little less flip towards that philosophy if there wasn't so much blood on our hands. Hey, I didn't vote for Bush either time.

There is a lot that the current conservative movement has to answer for. It's time for those with my philosophy to have the chance to screw things up. Or to maybe, repair the damage.

There's nothing you can tell me to change my feelings about this, and I've no illusion that I can bring you to my way of thinking. Still, it puzzles me why people would still defend our actions for the past few years. Can't we just chalk it up to idiocy?

LOL! Wow, you need some serious help.
LOL! As do you. Peace out.

I'm not the one raving like a madman.

Scarab Sages

dmchucky69 wrote:
And Bush is going to veto anything and everything that does not go along with his Master Plan. Good Lord, he as a President labeled most of the Middle East as 'evil'.

Can you please forward me a PDF of this Master Plan? I seem to have misplaced mine and need a new copy of that map on page 23.

Also, just out of curiousity, but since when are Iran and Syria the "most of the Middle East"? What about, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, UAE, Yemen, Kuwait, Iraq, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, and Bahrain?


dmchucky69 wrote:
Do you think America is better now than it was pre 9/11?

Who can say really? The US economy has gone through one of its longest growth cycles, with one of the lowest unemployment rate during that time period. Doesn't that mean something was going right? No attacks since then on our home soil, does that mean anything?

I will say America is not more liked in the world, but then again, when has America EVER been liked in the world. 5 seconds after we rescued France's nazi collaborating arse, they were talking bad about us. Show me a time when America has been liked around the world, ever.

dmchucky69 wrote:
Has this administration left a great legacy behind that we can all be proud of?

Under this administation more money was sent to africa to help AIDS victims then ever before, I think we as Americans should be proud of that. Heck Bono, no "republican", work together with Dubya to get it done. Don't like that? I do. More people of different ethnic backgrounds have gotten key positions in the government, not just crappy little token positions. Maybe you don't like those people's individual viewpoints, but the fact that Dubya put the first black woman as secretary of state, which may make it easier for some of those "conservative hicks" to accept Obama, I think is something we should be proud of.

dmchucky69 wrote:
Maybe I'd be a little less flip towards that philosophy if there wasn't so much blood on our hands. Hey, I didn't vote for Bush either time.

I didn't vote for Clinton, but I am willing to accept that sometimes the government makes decisions, possible wrong ones, and we as a nation have to try to make the best of it. Did we go into Kosovo to help out or just to try and distract away from the Lewinsky affair? I don't know, but when we went in, we shouldn't back stab each other.

dmchucky69 wrote:
It's time for those with my philosophy to have the chance to screw things up. Or to maybe, repair the damage.

Frankly, I am not too concerned with who gets to be President. I mean if the president really had the power to do what either is promising, I might be nervous, but they don't. The power is either in the congress for most of that or it is just something like a market force that can be influenced but not really changed on a "dime".

dmchucky69 wrote:
Still, it puzzles me why people would still defend our actions for the past few years. Can't we just chalk it up to idiocy?

And why does it have to be "idiocy", why couldn't some people be making the best decision they could with the information they had at the time? I mean at the time of the start of the Iraq war, everyone, Democrats, Republicans, intelligence officers, other countries and their intelligence officers, believe that Saddam had WMDs of one form or another (maybe not nukes, I don't think anyone at the time said he actually had working nukes). I am not saying that is reason enough to go in, but it is easy sitting here acting as arm-chair quarterbacks to say so-and-so were idiots for not seeing the "truth". But we weren't there, we don't know what they were told. I seriously doubt any american president would start a war for "kicks". And I think anyone who truly believes that lacks respect for their fellow humans to believe they would go along with it.


Aberzombie wrote:


Once again, I've misspoken. I probably should have said ideal democracy - which some political philosophers define as everyone getting an equal say all the time. Instead, we practice as a representative republic.

Again, America is certainly not as close as we come in this world to the ideals of democracy.

You might want to look at Switzerland.

Dark Archive

I like crazy people who always vote the way the say they are going to vote, even if everyone else votes whichever way the wind is blowing.

So a Dennis Kucinich / Ron Paul ticket would probably get my vote. They're both far too principled to be in politics, and that's why neither will ever sit in the White House.

I may disagree with every other thing out of someone's mouth, but I have a lot of respect for someone that sticks to their views, even when everyone else is flapping in the breeze.

'Oh, I support our troops, even though I've voted against 11 of the last 13 bills to give them adequate health care, and I didn't bother showing up to vote for the *two* I didn't vote against. My party leaders even convinced me to vote against two of *MY OWN BILLS* so that we can keep calling this the 'do-nothing Congress' and make the other guys look bad!'

Yeah, McCain's not getting any votes from my family. Too many Vietnam veterans around our Thanksgiving table, and they all loathe how he's betrayed the troops, whom they get to see hopping around on the stumps of what used to be legs when they go to the VA.


pres man wrote:
I would like to learn more about the oppression in america, could you site some specific examples of this for me to read up on.

You might want to look up Mcarthyism. I thought you guys learned that in schools.

And slavery?


dmchucky69 wrote:
and he is NOT racist against whites or anyone else for that matter. (Ah, the politics of fear of the right wing).

I will not claim that he is, though I will say that if he was it wouldn't automatically disqualify him to be a good president. If it did, just think off how many of our previous presidents would be considered terrible for having racist thoughts. No, I don't know if he is, but I wonder, how can you be so certain he isn't? You are stating it like it is a fact, but how can you know what actually lies in the heart of someone else?

Certainly many of the individuals who he has decided to surround himself with have said some very inflamatory things, racially speaking. Now of course that is not him saying those things, but we have to wonder why he would have personal relationships with such folk.

Personally, I think he was just using them for political ties and didn't give a care as to what they actually believe. But if I attended a church that preached anti-african american stuff (and people got up in the aisles and danced to it), I think people would have a right to question me on the idea if I had racist views.


Kruelaid wrote:
You might want to look up Mcarthyism. I thought you guys learned that in schools.

True, I'll give you that. Though I might add that almost all of that stuff was overturned later. Yeah there was a time during the Red Scare that some individuals let their fears run a bit wild. Thankfully our country is able to work through those things.

Kruelaid wrote:
And slavery?

People were enslaved for their political views? When was this?


You asked for examples of oppression.


I gave you one.


pres man wrote:
Kruelaid wrote:
You might want to look up Mcarthyism. I thought you guys learned that in schools.
True, I'll give you that. Though I might add that almost all of that stuff was overturned later. Yeah there was a time during the Red Scare that some individuals let their fears run a bit wild. Thankfully our country is able to work through those things.

Yes, America got past it. That was my point.

And you have a problem with what I am saying why?


Hi GentleGiant!

Dramatis Personae wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
...which is probably about as close as you can get to a true democracy.

America is as close as you can get to a true democracy? That's just not true.

-Kruelaid

Nobody wants a true democracy. I promise. Couldn't work with a group of 200 to 300 million people anyway.

Scarab Sages

Kruelaid wrote:
You might want to look at Switzerland.

Isn't that some place in the mountains? You know, the one where they make all those cuckoo clocks?


Duncan & Dragons wrote:

I don't know who I am voting for yet. But as a former military guy and therefore usually voting Republican I have to slam the Democrats.

Since we are all Fantasy/SciFi buffs, don't the Democrats seem to be re-enacting a scene from George Orwell's 1984? Remember the week they dedicate to celebrating their allies. Then mid-week, they declare them the enemy and they love their old enemies. Last week Clinton and Obama are enemies and this week they are all chummy. I think it is funny how politics are similar to how George saw it.

Not at all like McCain and W, after their primary competition.

Primary races are primary races.

Scarab Sages

Sean, Minister of KtSP wrote:

Nobody wants a true democracy. I promise. Couldn't work with a group of 200 to 300 million people anyway.

But it would probably be fun to watch, at least for the first year or so.


pres man wrote:

Kruelaid wrote:
And slavery?
People were enslaved for their political views? When was this?

So you're telling me that slavery doesn't count because it is not political? So if a group of people are property and only have rights as property that has no political face? That if they have no freedom that it has no political face?

It was political, it was social, it was economic, it was cultural....


Kruelaid wrote:
You asked for examples of oppression.

Well yes, within the context of how the US was similar to the description of Iran (whether accurate or not) that was being given at the time of my comment. I apologize for not being clear enough.

Kruelaid wrote:
I gave you one.

Indeed you did, McCarthism/Red Scare. As I said, "True, I'll give you that."

Kruelaid wrote:
Yes, America got past it. That was my point.

And as I said, you are certainly right about the McCarthism/Red Scare. Tip of the Hat to you for that one.

Kruelaid wrote:
And you have a problem with what I am saying why?

*looks around to see if Kruelaid is talking to someone else* Who me? What are you talking about?

Scarab Sages

Slavery was carried over from Europe. (Where it was carried over from the Middle East and Africa, where it still exists in similar form today) Slavery ended in America with the bloodshed of hundreds of thousands of it's own citizens.


Student loan.

Indentured servitude.

;)

Scarab Sages

pres man wrote:
*looks around to see if Kruelaid is talking to someone else* Who me? What are you talking about?

Naah, come one pres man. You've got to try intimidating Kruelaid. He can sense fear, and when he does....BAM!

Try to be more like De Niro - YOU TAWKIN TA ME! Like that! Go on, you try it.

Scarab Sages

Kruelaid wrote:

Student loan.

Indentured servitude.

;)

Amen Brother! I just finished off one. Only a few thousand to go on the other one.


Praise the lord. Just paid mine off.


Aberzombie wrote:
dmchucky69 wrote:

Because W has done such a great job so far; why stop now? And I'm the crazy one? Now that does make me laugh.

Oh, believe me, I'm rather displeased with the current President Bush, but for mostly different reasons than what you believe about him. As far as I'm concerned, with him the Republican party has their own version of Jimmy Carter.

That is wrong on so many levels. Carter was a principled man who tried to run Washington as an outsider, directly appealing to the American people to try to override the entrenched business-as-usual of the District. As such, his administration was none too effective at pushing real policy.

Bush, on the other hand, does not appeal to strong principles in any way shape or form other than presidential priviledge, does not try to engage directly with the American public, and has an administration of political insiders trying to run things as a cabal rather than in an open government. As such, his administration has been all too effective at pushing presidential priviledge in place of effective policy.

The end results are similar in that policy is weak but the whole surrounding atmosphere and the fallout is and will be completely different. In the long run, public perception of their presidencies will be completely different. I doubt Bush's personal reputation will ever sink as low as Nixon's but I think his administration's rep is heading in that direction. He'll probably never rise any higher than Harding on anyone's estimation. While Carter's rep is far closer to Hoover's - in over his head but trying hard, and with personal integrity.

At least that's my gut reaction off the cuff.

Liberty's Edge

Kruelaid wrote:
Praise the lord. Just paid mine off.

I'll vote for whoever will comp mine.


Heathansson wrote:
Kruelaid wrote:
Praise the lord. Just paid mine off.
I'll vote for whoever will comp mine.

If those are federally guaranteed loans, then I believe any of them will... but the cost is a little steep. If the program is fundamentally the same as it was when I had student loans, you don't need to pay them off if you die. >;)


WormysQueue wrote:
The Jade wrote:
The wall fell in Berlin. Try hard enough and you can explain how the lead singer of the Scorpions somehow made it happen. Klaus Meine for president! Rock You Like a Hurricane would make an awesome inauguration song. Now if we could just get over that whole "born in the USA" stupilation.
You don't need to. 'cause it wasn't Klaus Meine, it was this guy.

All fall to your knees and worship the Hasselhoff!

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Garydee wrote:


I'm not the one raving like a madman.

Nor am I. You just are as locked into your political views as I am. Obviously you can't refute what I am saying and have to resort to blanket insults to 'get back' at me. I can live with that. Now, I'm tired of dealing with people like you. So you can have the last word. Should make you happy. Enjoy the Obama presidency. And we can talk again in eight years when our country is running the way it should be again.

:)


I think the important think we all need to remember is What Would David Hasselhoff Do?

::opens a bottle of Thunderbird and guzzles until he forgets math::


What Would Crom Do (besides brood on top of his mountain)?


dmchucky69 wrote:
Garydee wrote:


I'm not the one raving like a madman.

Nor am I. You just are as locked into your political views as I am. Obviously you can't refute what I am saying and have to resort to blanket insults to 'get back' at me. I can live with that. Now, I'm tired of dealing with people like you. So you can have the last word. Should make you happy. Enjoy the Obama presidency. And we can talk again in eight years when our country is running the way it should be again.

:)

Yeah, Obama's presidency will be great. He'll make Carter look terrfic. We'll talk again in eight years, when we've had numerous attacks on our shore, runaway inflation and unemployment, etc..


Well then, guys, there you have it. We'll return after eight years, since no one mentions the possibility of four, and we'll see how it all shook out. Best of luck to everyone's predictions for success and failure. And here's to be right all the time and loving it. Now shake hands and be thankful for biscuits. I know I am.

Next I'm going to tackle world peace. I'm GREAT at this!

Scarab Sages

The Jade wrote:
Next I'm going to tackle world peace. I'm GREAT at this!

Start small and build. I recommend tackling neighborhood peace first, then training county and state peace activists who will go forth and multiply ;)


grrtigger wrote:
The Jade wrote:
Next I'm going to tackle world peace. I'm GREAT at this!
Start small and build. I recommend tackling neighborhood peace first, then training county and state peace activists who will go forth and multiply ;)

Sound reasoning. I'm going to start by auto-ratifying a peace treaty for intra-neighborhood relations (sending in the UN to monitor the amounts and frequencies of borrowed sugar and such) and make all the people on Shady Boggart Lane sign it with special pens I'll then send on to the Smithsonian for display. If they don't take 'em, I'll route them to the next best thing: Smith and his son Ian.

Scarab Sages

The Jade wrote:
(sending in the UN to monitor the amounts and frequencies of borrowed sugar and such)

UN = United Neighborhoods? Wow, y'all are organized!


grrtigger wrote:
The Jade wrote:
(sending in the UN to monitor the amounts and frequencies of borrowed sugar and such)
UN = United Neighborhoods? Wow, y'all are organized!

We don't play around on Shady Boggart Lane. Our tag sales come with bar codes on every tag.


Our system is designed to prevent what could be regarded as "tyranny of the mob." This was one of the founding principles behind the Electoral College. The popular vote does not necessarily mean the informed vote. For the very same reason we have checks and balances, to prevent one branch of government from overpowering the others.

Say we did have a 2/3 Democratic majority in Congress, the president was Democratic, and the Supreme leaned left. Sure, you'd have progress because every proposed bill would pass, regardless if it was for the betterment of the nation or not. That can become tyranny of the majority.

I didn't mean to insult you on being defined be your political views. I just don't see why it becomes a dividing factor for so many people. I guess some of my political beliefs define me as well, but it doesn't weigh as much when it comes to who I vote for, or who I interact with, or really, much of my life in general. My nation is important. My fellow citizens are important. Partisan politics is not, at least not to me.

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