Take the Poll: Which edition of D&D should Kobold Quarterly support?
Voted for Pathfinder. Yee-ha!
Oh noes, here we go again!
Although I'm very excited about 4e, I think Kobold Quarterly should stick with 3e for a few reasons:
- Kobold Quarterly replace Dragon in a lot of ways, and harkens back to a more traditional game
- There is going to be lots of support for 4e in other "quarters".
- I imagine a lot of Kobold Quarterly's fan base comes from Paizo fans, the majority of whom like 3e, Pathfinder, ie. a more traditional form of D&D.
Just my two cents, but it would be nice to keep 3e alive so people always feel they have a choice.
I think a blend of all the games that are pre 4E, with a focus on 3.5, would be the smartest move. All of the games are interoperable to some extent, so the Kobold could allow a castles and crusades article, a 3.5 monster feature, and a second edition continuation of the Mystara gazeteers, and still be useful to a wide group of players. 4E has support. Pathfinder has support in Pathfinder, and I think the players of the vibrant and colourful heritage games need a forum.
80% 3.5 and 20% other, depending on articles available, would allow Wolfgang to gather a wide fan-base.
All the grognards are served by that.
Ideally, articles would work for every system anyway.
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I think a blend of all the games that are pre 4E, with a focus on 3.5, would be the smartest move. All of the games are interoperable to some extent, so the Kobold could allow a castles and crusades article, a 3.5 monster feature, and a second edition continuation of the Mystara gazeteers, and still be useful to a wide group of players. 4E has support. Pathfinder has support in Pathfinder, and I think the players of the vibrant and colourful heritage games need a forum.
80% 3.5 and 20% other, depending on articles available, would allow Wolfgang to gather a wide fan-base.
All the grognards are served by that.
Ideally, articles would work for every system anyway.
If the articles were solidly written, I'd subscribe in a heartbeat.
Voted for Pathfinder. Yee-ha!
Ditto!
I voted for Pathfinder as well, but in truth, I wish it wasn't necessary to choose your camp or flavour of D&D/OGL. It would be nice if Wolfgang Baur could have 4E, 3E, Pathfinder and other OGL articles in the same magazine issue.
Personally, I'd vote for Alternity, but that wasn't an option...
I voted 3.5. Many of the the games listed in the poll are OGL, or have opened up some. If the GSL prevents you from publishing both OGL and GSL for a single product line, then publishing for 4th pretty much closes off all the other options. Going with 3.5 is hedging his bet. Though, one could argue that he may get more subscriptions with 4th Edition, that might be best for Wolfgang's little rag, but I surely hope it doesn't.
3.5 for me...though I wouldn't cry if I saw "Pathfinder Society Quarterly." :)
3.5 was my vote. after all I can use that with my pathfinder
i voted for 3.5, but why couldn't KQ support both?
Supporting more then 1 edition is really hard for a small company and most times is not realistily doable
I voted Pathfinder, but 3.5 is just fine--and that includes Arcana Evolved, which got no love :(
4th edition folks have the online Dragon; what do the rest of us have? Thanks, KQ!
Although I'm very excited about 4e, I think Kobold Quarterly should stick with 3e for a few reasons:
- Kobold Quarterly replace Dragon in a lot of ways, and harkens back to a more traditional game
- There is going to be lots of support for 4e in other "quarters".
- I imagine a lot of Kobold Quarterly's fan base comes from Paizo fans, the majority of whom like 3e, Pathfinder, ie. a more traditional form of D&D.Just my two cents, but it would be nice to keep 3e alive so people always feel they have a choice.
Very nice! Well done and thank you. I know you're a 4E supporter from your other posts, but with this one post you elevate yourself above the normal 3.5 vs 4 mudslinging. A great attitude and one I wish others would adopt (being civil about the split I mean)...
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I voted Pathfinder but ideally if Pathfinder succeeds with backwards compatibility most articles could mesh equally well with 3.5 and Pathfinder.
I wonder if there would actually be much of a market for an independant 4e magazine. A lot of the really pro 4e crowd strike me as being mildly disdainful of non WotC material.
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I voted Pathfinder but ideally if Pathfinder succeeds with backwards compatibility most articles could mesh equally well with 3.5 and Pathfinder.
I wonder if there would actually be much of a market for an independant 4e magazine. A lot of the really pro 4e crowd strike me as being utterly disdainful of non WotC material.
Fixed that for you.
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I voted Pathfinder but ideally if Pathfinder succeeds with backwards compatibility most articles could mesh equally well with 3.5 and Pathfinder.
That was my thinking when I voted 3.5. I'd like it to remain open to all systems though.
Excepting F.A.T.A.L.
F.A.T.A.L. never counted in the first place.
I wonder if there would actually be much of a market for an independant 4e magazine. A lot of the really pro 4e crowd strike me as being utterly disdainful of non WotC material.Fixed that for you.
Whoa, slow down there. I still buy Paizo and look forward to the Necromancer Games' 4e AP and their Monster books. During this "transition" period between the announcement and now I've bought a whole lot more Paizo than WotC (you'll argue that WotC hasn't release much but there's plenty of WotC splatbooks and adventures I don't own.) I'm also a big fan of Green Ronin.
I would think that the various threads already started (the game doesn't even come out 'til tomorrow) about adapting Paizo APs to 4e would show that there is plenty of respect for non-WotC material. Some of the so-called pro-4e people are Supersubcribers.
I just don't see the disdain you're talking about - perhaps you've experienced things I haven't? (Not being snarky - honestly, maybe you've seen certain threads or even forums that causes you to hold that opinion - I just personally haven't.)
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I'm not saying it's everybody any more than the original poster whose comment I modified, but there is certainly no shortage of people who think that if it's not official, it's crap. Back when I was a regular on the WotC boards, there were a large number of people who didn't consider material out of the excellent and Paizo-published Dragon and Dungeon magazines to be "official," as absurd as that was. If you're excited about 4e, have at it! I got a free copy of Keep on the Shadowfell today as a perk of my job. (The B&N I work at got a 4e promo pack and my boss handed me the "store copy" of Keep on the Shadowfell to take home, since we obviously won't be running any sort of promos with it) and I can honestly say that it's probably a very slick, fun game, especially if you really like combat. I'm certainly impressed by how clean the layout and such are. But I don't see myself ever getting any more invested in it than maybe a PHB, ever. It doesn't work with my collection. My collection's cover price is well over $5000, and is probably closer to $7000 or maybe even $8000 if you toss in all of the PDF products I've purchased from companies like LPJ, Green Ronin, Malhavoc, and, recently, Paizo and Sinister Adventures. There is no way I'm doing a reboot. Not with Pathfinder coming down the pike. I might play in someone's 4e game some day, but as a GM, I'm sticking with edition I have.
It's worth noting that I did the same thing with GURPS when it rolled over to a fourth edition. Unlike WotC, I have nothing but fondness and goodwill towards Steve Jackson Games. But when it came time to decide whether to "upgrade" or stay with the old material, I kept my old library and stopped buying GURPS books.
I didn't need a new edition then, and I don't need one now.
SJG has continued to get my money on occasion because they make things I want. WotC hasn't gotten money for Magic: the Gathering from me since I was just out of High school (years before 3.0) and I don't think they make anything else that interests me, so I don't think they'll be getting any more from me until they license the 4e ruleset to a computer game maker and I get to play a 4e single-player videogame (a format in which I have no doubt whatsoever the new rules will absolutely excel.) In the (somewhat unlikely, given the pattern their product lines seem to follow) event they release some really snazzy new product that looks like I could use it, I may snatch that up, too.
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The sad thing is...
As the GSL is currently rumoured to stand, KQ could be a home ground for all the fantasy OGL material w/o a problem, or Green Ronin could host true 20 conversions etc.
It's 4e that's the odd man out. I could (For example, I'm nowhere near the quality in the mag) write out my various gish classes, putting a 3.x, a 3.p and maybe a true 20 statblock in them. But I couldn't include in the same publication a 4e version.
Please don't take this as 4e bashing, or WotC bashing, or anything of the sort, it's not meant as such. just pointing out that right now 4e's the odd man out on the playground. He may be the new kid, all the chicks may be swooning over him, but the other guys can't play in his sandbox.
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Whoa, slow down there. I still buy Paizo and look forward to the Necromancer Games' 4e AP and their Monster books. During this "transition" period between the announcement and now I've bought a whole lot more Paizo than WotC (you'll argue that WotC hasn't release much but there's plenty of WotC splatbooks and adventures I don't own.) I'm also a big fan of Green Ronin.
I would expect posters on this board to be fans of 3rd party work :)
I was more talking about the feeling I get sometimes in 4e threads on the WotC boards and even to some extent on ENWorld.
Looking at my collection, until just recently, the 3rd party stuff was always more numerous when it came to 3e. But I have rarely seen as much 3rd party stuff in the stores. WotC material was obviously a better seller, even when their books were not better written.
I was more talking about the feeling I get sometimes in 4e threads on the WotC boards and even to some extent on ENWorld.
I see. I'm kind of "insulated" in that I rarely check out other roleplaying forums besides Paizo. Others are just too big and don't have the same sense of community I get here. Plus, I'm a big Paizo fan, whether they're focused on 4e, 3e, Pathfinder, or Chutes and Ladders.
I wonder what Nicholas Logue would do with Chutes and Ladders...
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I see. I'm kind of "insulated" in that I rarely check out other roleplaying forums besides Paizo. Others are just too big and don't have the same sense of community I get here. Plus, I'm a big Paizo fan, whether they're focused on 4e, 3e, Pathfinder, or Chutes and Ladders.
I wonder what Nicholas Logue would do with Chutes and Ladders...
Start by changing it back to snakes and ladders.
Traps and Ladders, maybe?
Sounds like a game played by kobolds. ;)
I voted 3.5
There was like a 3rd of votes for 4e, haven't and probably never will play that version of the game but I understand that a Kobold needs to look at the future.....that draconic heritage beckons.
I voted other because, let’s face it, all versions of D&D are so broken as to be unplayable by any but the most ardent fanslaves.
I voted other because, let’s face it, all versions of D&D are so broken as to be unplayable by any but the most ardent fanslaves.
Huh? Is that sarcasm? Or do you really believe that 99% of the people who frequent the boards (including me) are "ardent fanslaves"? It's cool with me if you do, I was just curious.
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I also voted Pathfinder just based on the Alpha 3. I've glanced through the 4e PDF, I'll get the books eventually but so far you can color me unimpressed about 4e (or should I say $th edition?).
Wouldn't $th edition be 5th? That $ looks a lot like a 5.. You're not allowed to complain about $th edition until it's announced next year.
Huh? Is that sarcasm?
Pay no attention to me. I have a poodle for an avatar afterall.