Whatever Paizo decides to go with is fine, so long as I have my flumphs.
I keep threatening to unleash a flumph blackguard on my players. I will one of these days, you just wait and see...
The plan outlined by James in this thread sounds great. The only
thing I would add is for Paizo and Necromancer to work together on
a Pathfinder Tome of Horrors. Ideally this would be a single
volume with the best of the four Tomes.
The Eye of the Deep, in point of fact is also OGL in the Tome of Horrors.
Not enough love for the Eye of the Deep!
I think the idea put forward, one stat block book and then fluff books detailing the monsters a la Classic Monsters Revisited is a brilliant way to go.
We can all buy the big book we need for our games, then the fluff books we want, covering our personal favorites, monsters we're struggling with, monsters from a certain area etc. If the 'revisited' books were split by Golarion geography, that'd be ace. :D
Or, just buy all of everything. ;p
Peace,
tfad
I used shocker lizards the other day.
You might be my new hero! I've somehow never been able to.
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Well my assumption is that I am representative. If no one uses creatures like the Lillend, Yrthak, Locathah, or Ghaele then maybe they shouldn't bother converting them.Taking these four monsters as examples... I have used all four in my campaigns. Lillends and ghaeles are actually among my favorite good-guy monsters, in fact. There's a key NPC who's a Lillend in the Age of Worms campaign I wrote, and one of the more important NPCs who's appeared in all three Dungeon adventure paths was a Ghaele. In my home-brew campaign, one of my players is a druid who's picked out the exact right feats and stuff that the Yrthak is his favorite wildshape form.
Locathahs I can live without, though. But I'm sure someone out there can't.
Just had a YRTHAK that was one of the big bads at the end of a long campaign. Picked it right after reading that great article in Dragon Magazine. It handed the Fighter, Sorceress, 2 Wizards and the Druid their own backsides only to be taken out handily by the BARD. ; )
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Even shocker lizards? And digesters? Say it ain't so!
I used shocker lizards the other day.
For a creature that is an obvious set of "we need a monster of this hit die that does electrical damage", I must say I love the shocker Lizard.
I had an evil wizard, build his home near a valley, that had shocker lizards. this was just to give his couple of spare part flesh golems a nice boost, and a very scary day for a few adventurers I must add.
The correct size for a monster book is 12 x 9.3 x 2.4 inches, 1124 pages, with eight-point type.
(What? Why are you looking at me like that? That's the size of the Naval Institute Guide to Combat Fleets of the World. Surely if they can publish a book that size, Paizo can.)
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For a creature that is an obvious set of "we need a monster of this hit die that does electrical damage", I must say I love the shocker Lizard.
Actually... I suspect that the genesis of the shocker lizard was MUCH more sinister than just needing a low-HD electrical monster. I mean... feed that shocker lizard some hamburgers to fatten him up, dip him in yellow paint, and all of a sudden... PIKACHU!!
The plan outlined by James in this thread sounds great. The only
thing I would add is for Paizo and Necromancer to work together on
a Pathfinder Tome of Horrors. Ideally this would be a single
volume with the best of the four Tomes.
This might be legally impossible: Apparently Necromancer is totally in Love with 4e. If the GSL will forbid product lines to be done in both OGL and GSL, and they put out a 4e tome of horrors, then they could not do a TOH themselves.
And I guess they don't want to, either.
I used shocker lizards the other day.You might be my new hero! I've somehow never been able to.
What can I do? They're in Hook Mountain Massacre. And I liked them. Groups of frenzied lizards frying ugly ogres.
yes monster books monster books
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I used shocker lizards the other day.You might be my new hero! I've somehow never been able to.
My brother once came up with an idea for a cabal of wizards with shocker lizard companions.
Ah, the carnage he could have wrought!
Of course, I think most people (myself included) just like them because they kind of look like kobolds.
I used shocker lizards quite memorably.
A tribe of shocker lizards of above animal intelligence found an abandoned mage's villa, and adopted the flesh golem they found there. They worked out the command words from an old diary, and took their new friend hunting. Flesh golems heal with electricity. They became a terror.
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Fair Warning...
Too much talk about the Devlin/Emerich Godzilla movie will spur me into a frothing maniacal rampage that only exposure to PROPER Godzilla movies can cure. It'd be like the Incredible Hulk being bitten by a werewolf, and then being flown to Jupiter when there was like 30 full moons at once. It'd be bad.
I heart you James Jacobs. Just as long as Godzilla's Revenge isn't included in the "proper" list. Oi! That one wretched.
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At least the real Godzilla killed him (see "Godzilla: Final Wars") in a pretty cool scene that involved BOTH of the points above.
Yeah, I shouted "PWND!" when I saw that. The jaylenosarus got chumped without so much a backward glance.
Wasn't there also a one-off line in the beginning "Godzilla versus Destroyer" denouncing the jaylenosarus as Godzilla?
At least the real Godzilla killed him (see "Godzilla: Final Wars") in a pretty cool scene that involved BOTH of the points above.Yeah, I shouted "PWND!" when I saw that. The jaylenosarus got chumped without so much a backward glance.
Wasn't there also a one-off line in the beginning "Godzilla versus Destroyer" denouncing the jaylenosarus as Godzilla?
There was is ONE of the new movies, just not sure which one. It was a throwaway line where one of the scientists or soldiers asks another "Didn't the US get attacked by a giant monster last year"? The other replies "Yeah, but that was just a giant dinosaur, not Godzilla". Or something to that effect. It sailed past my son when I burst out laughing...
The plan outlined by James in this thread sounds great. The only
thing I would add is for Paizo and Necromancer to work together on
a Pathfinder Tome of Horrors. Ideally this would be a single
volume with the best of the four Tomes.This might be legally impossible: Apparently Necromancer is totally in Love with 4e. If the GSL will forbid product lines to be done in both OGL and GSL, and they put out a 4e tome of horrors, then they could not do a TOH themselves.
And I guess they don't want to, either.
Not in love with it enough to sacrifice the Tome line to 4e and NEVER be able to do it again (OGL or whatever). Clark's pretty much stated on the NG boards and ENWorld that Tome for 4e is likely not gonna happen.
Now- Tome for Pathfinder....that would be interesting. ;)
Scott Greene
Necromancer Games
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Fair Warning...
Too much talk about the Devlin/Emerich Godzilla movie will spur me into a frothing maniacal rampage that only exposure to PROPER Godzilla movies can cure. It'd be like the Incredible Hulk being bitten by a werewolf, and then being flown to Jupiter when there was like 30 full moons at once. It'd be bad.
I used to go to Godzilla conventions in NYC as a kid, that monster was referred to as GINO (Godzilla In Name Only). I believe in one of the newer movies (I haven't kept up with it since G v Destroyah) he kicks GINO's butt.
My fav monster was always King Caesar, with his whole 5 or 6 minutes of actual use in the 50 years of Godzilla.
back on topic...
I'd rather buy 10 "Classic Monsters Revisited" books than one new monster manual. There was just so much more substance to CMR, and they could do one focused on Undead, one on Demons/Devils, one on Creatures of the Underdark (forgot its new name).
Since there's really no conversion necessary for monsters (how often do you need to roll skill checks for monsters?) I don't think we need a replacement MM.
I'm all for a Pathfinder main selection Monsters book simply because eventually the core 3e or 3.5 (your choice) monster manual will get a wee bit harder to find and buy... I see Pathfinder staying around for the long haul... long after the ultimate sad possible fall of the D&D name... and thus we will need an in print, easily available core reference for basic fantasy monsters... even if it has to be a bit tweaked here and there...
can we have the cyclops as a core monster if we do this?
Yes, please. And make sure they're real cyclops, and not the old "cyclopskin" of previous editions. Those were really just weak hill giants lacking depth perception...
Not in love with it enough to sacrifice the Tome line to 4e and NEVER be able to do it again (OGL or whatever). Clark's pretty much stated on the NG boards and ENWorld that Tome for 4e is likely not gonna happen.
I thought Clark was just going to call it something else for 4E and fill it with all new monsters?
Now- Tome for Pathfinder....that would be interesting. ;)
I'd like to see this too.
If you print it, we will buy! :)
Every book Paizo has done so far has been exemplary and I have no doubt that however you all treat the Monsters will be as well.
Please DO keep with your idea though to 2 monsters a page. The 1 MM in the past 3 D&D editions I did Not buy was one where monster entries took up 3-4 (or more) pages. That's just wrong.
Long live the monsters!
-S
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I heart you James Jacobs. Just as long as Godzilla's Revenge isn't included in the "proper" list. Oi! That one wretched.Fair Warning...
Too much talk about the Devlin/Emerich Godzilla movie will spur me into a frothing maniacal rampage that only exposure to PROPER Godzilla movies can cure. It'd be like the Incredible Hulk being bitten by a werewolf, and then being flown to Jupiter when there was like 30 full moons at once. It'd be bad.
Godzilla's Revenge is on the "Proper List." It's a better movie than the Devlin/Emerich one. THAT SAID: it's a terrible movie. The worst of the lot. That the Devlin/Emerich movie made it not the worst Godzilla movie says a lot.
Is the idea for a expandable binder dead? It has been one of my favorite resources as a DM over the years. I'd love to get an updated version where I didn't have to do all the work.
But alas out of my group it seems most players would rather just look at the same things on a computer then in a binder.
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Godzilla's Revenge is on the "Proper List." It's a better movie than the Devlin/Emerich one. THAT SAID: it's a terrible movie. The worst of the lot. That the Devlin/Emerich movie made it not the worst Godzilla movie says a lot.I heart you James Jacobs. Just as long as Godzilla's Revenge isn't included in the "proper" list. Oi! That one wretched.Fair Warning...
Too much talk about the Devlin/Emerich Godzilla movie will spur me into a frothing maniacal rampage that only exposure to PROPER Godzilla movies can cure. It'd be like the Incredible Hulk being bitten by a werewolf, and then being flown to Jupiter when there was like 30 full moons at once. It'd be bad.
James, you rock!
Out of curiosity (and to calm you down), do you have a favorite generation/series of Godzilla?
Personally, I prefer the Heisei series, mostly because of SpaceGodzilla. I also think the Millenium Godzilla suits were some of the most detailed and striking of the entire franchise.
Fingers crossed that Toho will go back to Godzilla after the self-imposed moratorium.
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James, you rock!
Out of curiosity (and to calm you down), do you have a favorite generation/series of Godzilla?
Personally, I prefer the Heisei series, mostly because of SpaceGodzilla. I also think the Millenium Godzilla suits were some of the most detailed and striking of the entire franchise.
Fingers crossed that Toho will go back to Godzilla after the self-imposed moratorium.
My favorite Godzilla suit, is probably the newest one, with the longer purply spikes and the more sleek body. I don't really have a favorite generation, though; I like them all! I'd probably rank my top ten Godzilla movies as follows:
1: Godzilla
2: Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
3: Godzilla Vs. Destroyah
4: Godzilla: Final Wars
5: Destroy All Monsters
6: Godzilla Vs. Megagirus
7: Godzilla Vs. Biolante
8: Godzilla Vs. Hedorah
9: Godzilla 2000
10: Mothra Vs. Godzilla
Honorable Mention: Son of Godzilla. Even though it's SUPER CORNY.
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My favorite Godzilla suit, is probably the newest one, with the longer purply spikes and the more sleek body. I don't really have a favorite generation, though; I like them all! I'd probably rank my top ten Godzilla movies as follows:
1: Godzilla
2: Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
3: Godzilla Vs. Destroyah
4: Godzilla: Final Wars
5: Destroy All Monsters
6: Godzilla Vs. Megagirus
7: Godzilla Vs. Biolante
8: Godzilla Vs. Hedorah
9: Godzilla 2000
10: Mothra Vs. GodzillaHonorable Mention: Son of Godzilla. Even though it's SUPER CORNY.
That is a respectable list. I would probably have to swap Megaguiras for SpaceGodzilla, and Hedorah and Mothra for the MechaGodzilla flicks, but it is a solid overview of the series.
As for Son of Godzilla, how corny do you think it is? On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being Gamara, 5 being Godzilla vs King Kong, and 10 being Destroyah (possibly the darkest Godzilla since the first)).
And in case you didn't know, ClassicMedia and Toho have a sweet new DVD set being released now.