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First off I like the rules for CMB. I think its easy to use and work well.
That said do have some Questions pertaining to Grapple, I tryed asking in other thread, but got ignored while they complained about the rules, or tried to make new ones. They are free to do so, and welcome to thier ideas. So what I would this thread to be is where people can ask questions and get answers on how the rules work in certain situations.
Grapple
1: it says on pg.62 "Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions." I took this as meening that if I had pinned a monster and then I wanted to move the monster then it would lose the pinned condition, but I could moves us half my speed away. Others in our group thought that he wouldn't lose the pinned condition when I tried to move us. Which is it?
2: Can a Lamia Matriarch use Spider Climb to move away from combat while keeping a Gnome Sor. pinned? I dont think so, but this happened in our last game. DM ruled possible at time but now is not so sure.
3.Could another PC (say 1/2orc Bar.) free said Gnome from Grapple by entering a Grapple with the Lamia Matriarch and winning CMB?
Sunder
Can I use Power Attack when Trying ot Sunder ?
What do you guys thing? I hope someone at Paizo has time to answer as well.
What about the language makes you think you'd lose pinned? The grapple continues and you have an established pinned condition.Grapple
1: it says on pg.62 "Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions." I took this as meening that if I had pinned a monster and then I wanted to move the monster then it would lose the pinned condition, but I could moves us half my speed away. Others in our group thought that he wouldn't lose the pinned condition when I tried to move us. Which is it?
Because "Pinning" is one of the "following actions", and so is moving. And you can only do one, per the rules, is what he's asking. I don't know the answer myself.
2: Can a Lamia Matriarch use Spider Climb to move away from combat while keeping a Gnome Sor. pinned? I dont think so, but this happened in our last game. DM ruled possible at time but now is not so sure.
Same question as above - I don't know.
Sure. Why wouldn't you?Sunder
Can I use Power Attack when Trying ot Sunder?
He's asking because Sunder doesn't use a standard attack roll anymore.
Stephen: Combat Maneuvers *are* defined as attacks, so you should be able to use Power Attack with them, as before.
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The Lamia Matriarch Grapples the Gnome, while the Half-orc and Elf deal with 3 Hags.
The Gnome is then pinned by Lamia Matriarch as Half-orc, and Elf move to help Gnome.
The Lamia Matriarch is Threatened by Half-orc and Elf, and climbs wall to get away from Half-orc and Elf, AoOs miss and She's up the wall.
Is the Gnome still pinned? Can Lamia Matriarch the clime the wall while Grappling?
I suppose at this point I'd be looking at the strength of the Lamia Matriarch (whatever that is) to see if she's strong enough to actually carry the gnome. Gnomes be pretty small matie, so I imagine that she could, though it might move her into medium encumbrance and therefore affect her movement rate, dex bonus to AC, etc. Nevertheless she already be movin' at half speed due to the fact o' bein' grappled. Yar.
What about the language makes you think you'd lose pinned? The grapple continues and you have an established pinned condition.
In 3.5, a pin specifically lasted for one round. It's not clear (to me, anyways) whether the "one round" part was deliberately omitted or accidentally omitted.
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What about the language makes you think you'd lose pinned? The grapple continues and you have an established pinned condition.In 3.5, a pin specifically lasted for one round. It's not clear (to me, anyways) whether the "one round" part was deliberately omitted or accidentally omitted.
This is what I thought as well. That if move my opponent I risk him getting the upper hand. If I have my opponent in armbar, its going to be hard for him to get out but we're not going anywhere. If I have him in an armlock and moving him across the room, he has more of an opportunity to escape or lash out.
When I start a grapple with a standard action, I am grappling.
Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions.
Can I make another grapple check to pin my opponent right now or as a standard action in the next round? I think the later, but I'm not sure about it.
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Grapple
1: it says on pg.62 "Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions." I took this as meening that if I had pinned a monster and then I wanted to move the monster then it would lose the pinned condition, but I could moves us half my speed away. Others in our group thought that he wouldn't lose the pinned condition when I tried to move us. Which is it?What about the language makes you think you'd lose pinned? The grapple continues and you have an established pinned condition.
2: Can a Lamia Matriarch use Spider Climb to move away from combat while keeping a Gnome Sor. pinned? I dont think so, but this happened in our last game. DM ruled possible at time but now is not so sure.What do you mean "move away from combat"? Do you mean can the creature with the Climb movement rate Climb while grappling? I'd imagine so.
3.Could another PC (say 1/2orc Bar.) free said Gnome from Grapple by entering a Grapple with the Lamia Matriarch and winning CMB?Not specifically handled in the rules, but my first instinct is to treat it as though you're trying to remove something from the creature's "hands", just like using grapple to disarm.
Sure. Why wouldn't you?Sunder
Can I use Power Attack when Trying ot Sunder?
Actually I can see why his confusion exists.
I am not a sage on the matter, but this is my thought process on these issues:
1) I think that PIN is round to round as an action you can do - since you can only do ONE action - you choose to PIN one round, then MOVE the next round, the target is not PINNED that round.
2) I would say that if you have a CLIMB move established (either naturally like a spider, or magically enhanced such as Spider Climb Spell) you can climb as your grappled movement.
3) Typically others can join a grapple and do many of the movements etc. If a third party enters a grapple - moving is an option if your strength score can "pull/drag" the total weight involved. To ungrapple one of the other combatants, I would say you need to PIN his/her opponent. So the 1/2-orc would have needed to PIN the lamia in this case, and then the gnome can escape freely.
Robert
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When I start a grapple with a standard action, I am grappling.
Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions.Can I make another grapple check to pin my opponent right now or as a standard action in the next round? I think the later, but I'm not sure about it.
Since starting grapple is a STANDARD action, and you generally are allowed only ONE STANDARD action per round, you initiate the grapple in round 1 and then IF the target does not get free on its turn, you can apply one of the grappling manuevers on round 2 - and note you get a +5 bonus to your CMB in subsequent rounds if your target has failed to break free.
Robert
Another confusing grappling situation that came up in our first Pathfinder playtesting, in the first Savage Tide adventure.
A creature with improved grab bite my character, a half-orc barbarian, and since it hit, it rolled for grappling me, and succeeded. Now we both were grappling, and in my next action, I dropped my greataxe and tried to pin the beastie.
My DM and a fellow player said that was wrong, since I didn't start the grapple, and that all I could do was trying to break free.
I told them that was not the way it worked, and asked them to re-read the grappling section, but after that they were still in doubt. The DM let me try (and succeed, going into rage and expending two additional rage points for the Strength Surge power!).
I think I was right, after all it was a great risk for me, since had I failed, the beastie would have had a +5 bonus on his next grapple check, and probably it would have pinned me and dealt automatic damage too. I really think we did things as they are meant by the rules, but I would like to have some official confirmation to show them,and to know if I was wrong or right.
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Another confusing grappling situation that came up in our first Pathfinder playtesting, in the first Savage Tide adventure.
A creature with improved grab bite my character, a half-orc barbarian, and since it hit, it rolled for grappling me, and succeeded. Now we both were grappling, and in my next action, I dropped my greataxe and tried to pin the beastie.
My DM and a fellow player said that was wrong, since I didn't start the grapple, and that all I could do was trying to break free.
I told them that was not the way it worked, and asked them to re-read the grappling section, but after that they were still in doubt. The DM let me try (and succeed, going into rage and expending two additional rage points for the Strength Surge power!).
I think I was right, after all it was a great risk for me, since had I failed, the beastie would have had a +5 bonus on his next grapple check, and probably it would have pinned me and dealt automatic damage too. I really think we did things as they are meant by the rules, but I would like to have some official confirmation to show them,and to know if I was wrong or right.
I'm not Official, but I think that would work just fine.
I'm not Official, but I think that would work just fine.
Well, the kind opinions of my fellow posters is equally well received, oficial or not
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I'm not Official, but I think that would work just fine.Well, the kind opinions of my fellow posters is equally well received, oficial or not
This is kinda late in response but for what its worth:
Your idea was correct. As soon as someone chooses to "grapple" you're both grappling. Unless you're pinned, your options are as limitless as his are.
Robert