Homosexuality in Golarion


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Grand Lodge

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Hakken wrote:
KSF wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Plus Potions are typically much less expensive than wearables. Potion of Bull's Strength: 300 GP- Belt of Giant Strength +4: 16000 GP
It's not the same multiplier, but it's close (53x for your example, 44x for Wes' items). So that seems pretty standard.

I would question the permancy effect also. there is a 53X difference in that example but the potion of bull strength is not permanent--makes sense for it to be less.

The elixir of sex change is actually more permanent than the belt. Maybe 60K or so for belt?

You can't factor the belt into the equation as it's not an item that's intentionally made, but a cursed item that identifies as something else until you put it on. You can commission someone to make the elixir, but not the belt.


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LazarX wrote:
Hakken wrote:
KSF wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Plus Potions are typically much less expensive than wearables. Potion of Bull's Strength: 300 GP- Belt of Giant Strength +4: 16000 GP
It's not the same multiplier, but it's close (53x for your example, 44x for Wes' items). So that seems pretty standard.

I would question the permancy effect also. there is a 53X difference in that example but the potion of bull strength is not permanent--makes sense for it to be less.

The elixir of sex change is actually more permanent than the belt. Maybe 60K or so for belt?

You can't factor the belt into the equation as it's not an item that's intentionally made, but a cursed item that identifies as something else until you put it on. You can commission someone to make the elixir, but not the belt.

They aren't talking about the girdle of opposite gender, they are talking about a cord of opposite gender that Wes Schneider created in his thread.

Actually, shouldn't they be "of opposite sex"?

Grand Lodge

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Amaranthine Witch wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Hakken wrote:
KSF wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Plus Potions are typically much less expensive than wearables. Potion of Bull's Strength: 300 GP- Belt of Giant Strength +4: 16000 GP
It's not the same multiplier, but it's close (53x for your example, 44x for Wes' items). So that seems pretty standard.

I would question the permancy effect also. there is a 53X difference in that example but the potion of bull strength is not permanent--makes sense for it to be less.

The elixir of sex change is actually more permanent than the belt. Maybe 60K or so for belt?

You can't factor the belt into the equation as it's not an item that's intentionally made, but a cursed item that identifies as something else until you put it on. You can commission someone to make the elixir, but not the belt.

They aren't talking about the girdle of opposite gender, they are talking about a cord of opposite gender that Wes Schneider created in his thread.

Actually, shouldn't they be "of opposite sex"?

For me, from now on it's the Girle of Opposite Aleness.


Amaranthine Witch wrote:


They aren't talking about the girdle of opposite gender, they are talking about a cord of opposite gender that Wes Schneider created in his thread.

Actually, shouldn't they be "of opposite sex"?

Oooh. An actual "girdle of opposite gender" that changes your gender orientation without changing your physical sex.

That would be even creepier than the current version.

Grand Lodge

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Young (i.e. player character-applicable) Trans actresses include Jamie Clayton (Dirty Work), Laverne Cox (Orange is the New Black), Harmony Santana (Gun Hill Road), Candis Cayne (Elementary), Michelle Hendley (Boy Meets Girl), and quite a few others.

Then there are non-actresses that it just might be interesting to base a PC on, including fighters like Nong Tum (kickboxing) and Fallon Fox (MMA) (and less well-known people, including many roller derby racers including Tear O'Byte).

And of course, y'know there are trans girls who are gamers. You might know a few. ;)

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I was gonna make a trans character at some point, but I couldn't decide on FtM or MtF...or even an interesting character concept beyond that, so I kinda just gave up on the idea.

Then again, I'll probably just come up with a character one day and I'll be like "well maybe they're trans" and they will be and I'll just be like "ok."

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The Samsaran race seems custom built to explore a version of gender-transitioned character. Your PC might have a long memory of being the most gender-stereotyped member of the opposite gender, in their last lifetime, and be struggling to move into a new role / mindset / life, due to the intensity of their last life. (Shades of Jadzia Dax, from DS9, a young woman who was strongly defined by the last 80 odd years she spent as a hard-drinking lecherous swaggering manly-man. You could flip it around and play a young Samsaran male, who remembers being the stern matchmaking matriarch of a large family, pretty much running everyone's affairs and putting out fires all over her extended clan, and now, you are just one of the young unmarried landless men, and someone you remember thinking was never going to be able to fill your shoes as matriarch is indeed the new matriarch, and she's got the nerve to tell you who you should and shouldn't be dating...)

The Samsaran are obviously the most easy option here. A person of any race could have been reincarnated cross-gender and be experiencing the same sort of situation. Even as a starting character, it's easy enough to come up with a rationale for why a relatively young person would have been reincarnated. Perhaps a relative was a druid. Perhaps they pissed off a high powered witch, who forced reincarnated them on the spot to make a very public example of them (and keep the mob of villagers present from getting any cute ideas about pitchforks and bonfires). Perhaps a relative was an *evil* druid, who takes a sacrifice from the community and keeps them over the winter, only to kill and reincarnate them as a symbol of the life-death-rebirth cycle to celebrate the new year and assure the ending of winter / coming of the rains / fertility of the crops. Maybe they died in a fey-haunted forest due to a fey prank gone terribly awry, and a powerful fey tried to right the wrong by causing the dead mortal to be reborn.


So I was talking with my regular PFS group today, and I guess the running gag is that we all play a bunch of lesbians, although I did find it kinda funny that out of all of our characters, I was the only one who had a homosexual male character. I don't know if it was just because all our group besides myself are hetereosexual guys or what. Eh, I just found it kinda funny. You guys ever have any experiences like that?

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LazarX wrote:
Amaranthine Witch wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Hakken wrote:
KSF wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Plus Potions are typically much less expensive than wearables. Potion of Bull's Strength: 300 GP- Belt of Giant Strength +4: 16000 GP
It's not the same multiplier, but it's close (53x for your example, 44x for Wes' items). So that seems pretty standard.

I would question the permancy effect also. there is a 53X difference in that example but the potion of bull strength is not permanent--makes sense for it to be less.

The elixir of sex change is actually more permanent than the belt. Maybe 60K or so for belt?

You can't factor the belt into the equation as it's not an item that's intentionally made, but a cursed item that identifies as something else until you put it on. You can commission someone to make the elixir, but not the belt.

They aren't talking about the girdle of opposite gender, they are talking about a cord of opposite gender that Wes Schneider created in his thread.

Actually, shouldn't they be "of opposite sex"?

For me, from now on it's the Girle of Opposite Aleness.

*SNRRRK*

I think queer people in general are more likely than others to be adventurers. What's the quickest way to social acceptability? A big pile of cash. And adventuring is a way - granted, a high-risk way - to quickly build a big pile of cash.


Kittyburger wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Amaranthine Witch wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Hakken wrote:
KSF wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Plus Potions are typically much less expensive than wearables. Potion of Bull's Strength: 300 GP- Belt of Giant Strength +4: 16000 GP
It's not the same multiplier, but it's close (53x for your example, 44x for Wes' items). So that seems pretty standard.

I would question the permancy effect also. there is a 53X difference in that example but the potion of bull strength is not permanent--makes sense for it to be less.

The elixir of sex change is actually more permanent than the belt. Maybe 60K or so for belt?

You can't factor the belt into the equation as it's not an item that's intentionally made, but a cursed item that identifies as something else until you put it on. You can commission someone to make the elixir, but not the belt.

They aren't talking about the girdle of opposite gender, they are talking about a cord of opposite gender that Wes Schneider created in his thread.

Actually, shouldn't they be "of opposite sex"?

For me, from now on it's the Girle of Opposite Aleness.

*SNRRRK*

I think queer people in general are more likely than others to be adventurers. What's the quickest way to social acceptability? A big pile of cash. And adventuring is a way - granted, a high-risk way - to quickly build a big pile of cash.

so I think you said you prefer the term queer Kitty? Cause the friends I have which are gay, hate that term. That is kind of what I mean. It is hard to know what term to use or what to say. That is why I don't know if this is all off topic. When talking about homosexuals in Golarion (which I do not have a problem with btw) we have to talk about what to call them. I think we all know that calling black or African-americans the N word would never be acceptable. I guess I always thought the word queer was always unacceptable also. It goes back to what SissyL said--only the offended person will ever know what will offend them. Some white males wont be offended by white jokes, some will. Same with any other group. How do we handle that situation?

When Paizo does include homosexual people and makes them like Miss Feathers it may offend some homosexual people. Others may like her. I don't know if there is any way for everyone to be happy. Best recourse is to give people the benefit of the doubt until you know for sure they meant to insult.

Speaking of Miss Feathers, for those of you who know Miss Feathers--him or her? I guess if you look above, I automatically went with her--that may offend some, but it would not have been intended.


So I recently attended a cultural sensitivity class (we have plenty we are required to attend) and it made me thing of what such a class in Golarion might look like.


Hakken wrote:
so I think you said you prefer the term queer Kitty? Cause the friends I have which are gay, hate that term. That is kind of what I mean. It is hard to know what term to use or what to say. That is why I don't know if this is all off topic. When talking about homosexuals in Golarion (which I do not have a problem with btw) we have to talk about what to call them. I think we all know that calling black or African-americans the N word would never be acceptable. I guess I always thought the word queer was always unacceptable also. It goes back to what...

That actually is an interesting point about the terminology in Golarion.

"Queer" is a term that was a slur that many LGBT people consider to have been reclaimed. It's generally considered more positive nowadays, to the point where some versions of the acronym make use of it, like LGBTQ or QUILTBAG. (I also use the term "queer" for myself sometimes.)

However, every individual is going to make their own decisions about how they want people to refer to them, as in some of the examples you've given. Whenever the need arises, while speaking to the person in question, you could always ask which term or terms they prefer.

Looking at Golarion specifically, if LGBT are accepted more readily in that setting, maybe "queer" as a slur never caught on, which would mean it was never reclaimed, which means it wouldn't be used to refer to LGBT people.

However, given that every word we use has an etymology, and a history that arises from the interactions of the various specifically real world Earth cultures, if you take this line of reasoning too far, you'd pretty much have to invent a new language for discussing Golarion. Should we call elves "elves"? Should we use the terms "knights" or "kings" or "queens"?

It's generally understood that there's a degree of translation going on when we discuss these things, when characters speak, etc. Much like Tolkien pointed out that they weren't speaking English in Middle Earth, he was providing a translation that made use of approximations.

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